RIP argonian (worried about overnerfs)

  • zaria
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    Did we not have a race re-balance with Morrowind? Or was that just a class re-balance? Oregonian OP? Uh for a while they were the worst class in the history of ever. Not even worthy for consumption by mud crabs. Sounds like the next chapter is a rebalance/rollback and the start of a redo.

    Well I will just keep on keeping on and do my own thang. Zos you do you baby. We will survive.

    Right now the meta is:

    Magicka DPS: Dunmer/Altmer
    Stamina DPS: Redguard
    Tank: Argonian
    Healer: Argonian

    Which means that all of these races will be useless by next week because ZOS employs a scorched earth method to balancing.
    If they removes all racial passives it would not matter that race you play. If they nerf them very hard it would not matter much who race you play.

    If they take Redguard and Argonian special without giving anything back while not hitting the others so hard, Say altmer looses the + lightning damage then argonians especially would be an weak spot.

    Kind of suspect they take one racial passive from all but make it so it hit different. Loosing health recovery is :)

    Now they could nerf hard then add Dagi-raht as an magic race and Cathay-raht as tank / stamina DD with Elsweyr without telling us until Elsweyr hit PTS.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • chris211
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    i really do hope they dont make argonian garbage again
  • MLGProPlayer
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    chris211 wrote: »
    i really do hope they dont make argonian garbage again

    Prepare to be disappointed.
  • Viscous119
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    Argonians had a good run for a long while. Now It's time for the reckoning...maybe
    Edited by Viscous119 on January 16, 2019 11:49PM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    zaria wrote: »
    Did we not have a race re-balance with Morrowind? Or was that just a class re-balance? Oregonian OP? Uh for a while they were the worst class in the history of ever. Not even worthy for consumption by mud crabs. Sounds like the next chapter is a rebalance/rollback and the start of a redo.

    Well I will just keep on keeping on and do my own thang. Zos you do you baby. We will survive.

    Right now the meta is:

    Magicka DPS: Dunmer/Altmer
    Stamina DPS: Redguard
    Tank: Argonian
    Healer: Argonian

    Which means that all of these races will be useless by next week because ZOS employs a scorched earth method to balancing.
    If they removes all racial passives it would not matter that race you play. If they nerf them very hard it would not matter much who race you play.

    If they take Redguard and Argonian special without giving anything back while not hitting the others so hard, Say altmer looses the + lightning damage then argonians especially would be an weak spot.

    Kind of suspect they take one racial passive from all but make it so it hit different. Loosing health recovery is :)

    Now they could nerf hard then add Dagi-raht as an magic race and Cathay-raht as tank / stamina DD with Elsweyr without telling us until Elsweyr hit PTS.

    Honestly, I would just scrap half and just give every race a flat resource buff.

    Altmer/Dunmer/Breton = +10% magicka
    Redguard/Khajiit/Nord = +10% stamina
    Orc/Bosmer/Argonian/Imperial = +5% stamina and magicka
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on January 16, 2019 11:53PM
  • MasterSpatula
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    Did they actually release details I missed, or is this all based on conjecture?

    (Though, to be fair, "Anything fun is gonna get nerfed" isn't really conjecture with this Gameplay/Combat team.)
    Edited by MasterSpatula on January 16, 2019 11:57PM
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • sneakymitchell
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    Don’t worry at least you got nord.......
    but who knows buff to nords and nerf to argonian pot percentage or making it flat value.
    NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
    PC-NA Ebonheart Pact Nord Stam Templar
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    Did we not have a race re-balance with Morrowind? Or was that just a class re-balance? Oregonian OP? Uh for a while they were the worst class in the history of ever. Not even worthy for consumption by mud crabs. Sounds like the next chapter is a rebalance/rollback and the start of a redo.

    Well I will just keep on keeping on and do my own thang. Zos you do you baby. We will survive.

    Right now the meta is:

    Magicka DPS: Dunmer/Altmer
    Stamina DPS: Redguard
    Tank: Argonian
    Healer: Argonian

    Which means that all of these races will be useless by next week because ZOS employs a scorched earth method to balancing.

    Thanks for bringing me up to speed. So it seems if true to course and past history Racial buffs will be "Adjusted" to prevent homogenization of the classes.

    So will it be buff Khajiit,Orc,Imperial,Breton,Bosmer, Nord or 6 race adjustments to replace what they took away from these Avatar choices.
    Or reduce the meta favoring stats of 4 races to bring them in line?

  • Oberstein
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    argonian race finally balanced now we have to adapt and overcome.
    History, like a human being, is thirsty when it wakes from its slumber…History wants to drink up an enormous amount of blood. And even if history has tired of drinking blood, that’s only in regards to the amount. But what about quality? The larger the sacrifice is, the more delighted the cruel gods will be.
  • Haashhtaag
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    If any race needed a nerf it was argonian.

  • Chairo_Kuma
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    Yes Argonian got a Nerf but it's still going to be the best at tanking, healing with great resource management. I see now problems with the changes. I've been an Argonian healer even before the buffs it got.
    GM Esteemed/PS4 NA /Never Knows Best.....

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    • Argonian Mag Templar - 50 - AD
    • Redguard Stam Dragon Knight - 50 - AD
    • Breton Mag Blade - 50 - AD
    • Argonian Stam Warden - 50 - AD
  • IronWooshu
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    Yes Argonian got a Nerf but it's still going to be the best at tanking, healing with great resource management. I see now problems with the changes. I've been an Argonian healer even before the buffs it got.

    I disagree, Imperials and Nords will be better tanks, only thing Argonians will be better at is instant sustain as a tank. The way the new racials work..

    Nords will be tankier/able to take more damage
    Imperials will be able to block better and longer
    Argonians will be able to sustain better
    Edited by IronWooshu on January 17, 2019 7:33PM
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    I think part of it is that it's easy to push stats to fun levels with % amps. Removing them makes the game "easier" to balance in that it's less easy for players to come up with unexpected combinations that result in unanticipated stat numbers.

    Which is really a shame. Pushing unexpected stats to really high levels (health regen, stam regen, etc) led to some fun novelty builds. % damage stat amps might have been too strong, but idk. This seems pretty heavy handed.

    Hard to say for sure until we get to go hands-on, though.
    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
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