Don't make this mistake on Race Changes

Skander · January 2019

It's too late for them to take any imput now but:

Don't get the races too similar togheter, it's not game balancing. It's taking away the flavor on playing something different then someone else.

This is me bandaging my head before it gets hurt.

Azyle1 · January 2019

I really just want to see the race changes. I think we are all waiting.

CipherNine · January 2019

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Matthros · January 2019

I would hope that they give all races balanced max stats so any race can be viable for any role.

JadonSky · January 2019

I know they said they would release the expected changed this week. But is it come this next PTS or the changes coming in the next chapter Q2?

Dashmatt · January 2019

I wish they would just keep everything the same, but let us choose which set of passives we want to use.

Koolio · January 2019

Now they are 16% for 24hours. Of course we don’t know what they are going to change but they will say “We had a sale on them last week”

This seems to me like a shady business tactic for a cash grab.

It’s ok we will give you 500 Atoms

CipherNine · January 2019

Matthros wrote: »

I would hope that they give all races balanced max stats so any race can be viable for any role.

actually any race is viable for any role as it is. This community is just so obsessed with bs meta's that it believes the nonsense that racial passives matter so much more than they really do.

They don't matter much at all as it is!

Skander · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

CipherNine · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

majulook · January 2019

Koolio wrote: »

Now they are 16% for 24hours. Of course we don’t know what they are going to change but they will say “We had a sale on them last week”

This seems to me like a shady business tactic for a cash grab.

It’s ok we will give you 500 Atoms

Its all a cash grab
-- don't want to feed horse to upgrade it go to crown store.
-- don't want to get motifs by rng go to crown store.
-- dont't want to wait for crafting research go to crown store.

Now I understand its a business and as such its purpose is to make $$. but the "changes due to game balance" seem to be more revenue generating than actual balance.

Koolio · January 2019

majulook wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Now they are 16% for 24hours. Of course we don’t know what they are going to change but they will say “We had a sale on them last week”

This seems to me like a shady business tactic for a cash grab.

It’s ok we will give you 500 Atoms

Its all a cash grab
-- don't want to feed horse to upgrade it go to crown store.
-- don't want to get motifs by rng go to crown store.
-- dont't want to wait for crafting research go to crown store.

Now I understand its a business and as such its purpose is to make $$. but the "changes due to game balance" seem to be more revenue generating than actual balance.

That was the exact business model of DCUO

Nerf Fire everyone buys power change to Ice. Next patch nerf ice everyone buys another token to nature. This happened for years before I just quit. (Also ESO released lol)

Valrien · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

You don't play as a DPS at all, do you?

You get all the stats from gear, CP (CP points is redundant btw. CP is Champion Points already), and Mundus buffs as well as race on top of that. Hence a character with a non-optimal race is still doing less than someone with an optimal race assuming equal skill.

The biggest example of this can be found in the sheer amount of sustain Redguard offers a stamina build. No other race can match that kind of DPS increase in the current state of the game. You CAN be a race other than RG but you have to accept that you will always be lesser.

Sergykid · January 2019

no, the race actually does really matter. An orc magplar is way weaker than an argonian/high elf/breton magplar. Same goes for other combos. A stam pve dps is way better in redguard than high elf. Difference is not a insignificant 1k, it can go up to 5k

Azyle1 · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

I agree that while you can really perform well with any race/class combo, there are some that are certainly easier.

Redgaurds are the best stam because they have the best sustain. Is their DPS much higher than a Khajiits? No. I play Khajiit stamblade and I do just as well but it's harder to sustain. In a trial that can be important.

Redgaurd isn't like 5k more DPS at all. It's maybe a couple hundred but 100 times easier thanks to sustain.(Compared to Khajiit)

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2019

Valrien wrote: »

You don't play as a DPS at all, do you?

I really do hope that ZOS will treat all roles equally. On forums we get this weird DPS ! DPS ! DPS ! Look at my DPS ! kinda thing as if it was only role in the entire game and all racial passives, classes, gear absolutely must be balanced specifically for min - maxer DPS.

It is getting too obnoxious and I am kinda sick of it at this point.

MyKillv2.0 · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

You seem like a winner. And Stoned.

more the latter, if I am being honest.

Skander · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

The right reaction would be: "omg they are altmer and magicka, they can probably kill me if they can play it right" to "omg it's a khajiit and magicka, i'll just /sit and wait till he dies by not being a magicka race"

CipherNine · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

The right reaction would be: "omg they are altmer and magicka, they can probably kill me if they can play it right" to "omg it's a khajiit and magicka, i'll just /sit and wait till he dies by not being a magicka race"

lol you are so delusional. "magicka race" there is no such thing. any race can play any role. period. and just as proficient as any other. it's a fact. competence comes down to the player themselves. put someone that don't know what they are doing on a what you say a "magicka race" they won't do good at all just cause of a race choice. I have ran Trials with people that were not the so called "optimal race" and they did just as much DPS, or healed or tanked just as good as any other "optimal race"

Cardthief · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

Races really do matter, but only if you are trying to get high up on Trial, Arena, or PvP leaderboards (all of which provide rewards the higher you and your team are placed). You can run Vet content fine as any race, however if you are going for high leaderboard placement or trying to tackle some of the harder Vet Trial achievements then race makes a big difference, because they effect how much more you can sustain, how much damage you can deal or take, how much you can heal, etc.

CipherNine · January 2019

Cardthief wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

Races really do matter, but only if you are trying to get high up on Trial, Arena, or PvP leaderboards (all of which provide rewards the higher you and your team are placed). You can run Vet content fine as any race, however if you are going for high leaderboard placement or trying to tackle some of the harder Vet Trial achievements then race makes a big difference, because they effect how much more you can sustain, how much damage you can deal or take, how much you can heal, etc.

That may be true and that is like 1% of the playerbase going for leaderboard runs. Which the problem is the rest of the 99% put those requirements for everything which is just stupid.

JKorr · January 2019

Anyone changing race; remember, unless its been changed, if you don't have the "play any race/any faction" version, whether you got it as a pre-order bonus, or you bought it with crowns from the crown store, you might not be able to change the race of your character if that race doesn't belong to the faction the character currently does.

If, for example, the character you want to change is a dunmer or nord currently in Ebonheart and you want to change to khajiit ; they belong in the Aldmeri Dominion. If the races are still faction locked without the explorer's pack/adventurer's pack, you might not be able to change.

Cardthief · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Cardthief wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

Lorewise races are different. Gamewise races make for roles. A competitive team won't have a Damage dealer whom is nord becouse nord isn't the best option.

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

'being scarey as magicka' seriously? I have never once looked at another player, like a altmer or breton or argonian and been like omg they are magicka so scarey. lol absolutely utter nonsense. You are the exact type of player that is sooo annoying in this game. It is all in your damn heads that racial passives make that much of a difference. THEY DONT! I have played an altmer templar healer and a Khajiit templar healer. I am just as proficient on my Khajit.
You are flat out wrong. you get all the stats you need from gear, cp points and mundus buff. What makes you proficient is your own competence.

Races really do matter, but only if you are trying to get high up on Trial, Arena, or PvP leaderboards (all of which provide rewards the higher you and your team are placed). You can run Vet content fine as any race, however if you are going for high leaderboard placement or trying to tackle some of the harder Vet Trial achievements then race makes a big difference, because they effect how much more you can sustain, how much damage you can deal or take, how much you can heal, etc.

That may be true and that is like 1% of the playerbase going for leaderboard runs. Which the problem is the rest of the 99% put those requirements for everything which is just stupid.

I completely agree with you, I really don't like it when people question your race and resource focus for Normal/Vet content which doesn't require you to be min/maxing, like unless your group is specifically going for leaderboard placement or something along those lines, then you shouldn't judge/kick someone because they are not playing the "meta".

Its a toxic mindset, and really people need to realize that not everyone is competitive, players should have the freedom to play whatever race and playstyle they want and enjoy the game without being ridiculed because they are not at some uber 110% efficiency.

DMuehlhausen · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

They aren't minimal buffs though. At least not the ones people build the meta around. Like Khajitt is what 5% chance to crit or to crit damage I can never remember. The Argonians with the extra healing. In a longer trial fight these make a massive difference.

They should not get rid of racials, but none of them should have that type of impact on game play. Like in WoW you get like 5% Fire Restiance or something. Ok cool, but it's not going to save you from standing in stupid, but it plays with the race (believe that was blood elf when they released) passives like that are why you could have a Gnome Warrior Tank, and it would essentially perform the same as a Tauren Warrior Tank.

eso_nya · January 2019

i prefer it when stats and cosmetics a seperated.
its not fun to play a fugly char and its not fun to play an underperforming char.

John_Falstaff · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

Also, if for exemple i see a khajiit playing magicka i'm laughing at them, not becouse they are bad, but becouse their race isn't much proficient on being scary as magicka.

Mm-m. You're the perfect, perfect, perfect example and reason of why the racial passives should be removed from the game altogether. ^^ I couldn't have illustrated it better than you just did. ^^

So, "stat-based roleplayers", get it in your head: it's not numbers in character sheet that make the race you play unique and give it flavor. It's you. You make collective image of the race, combined from motley individual personalities each of you plays. By playing to your character sheet's numbers, you make race a grey, uniform mass; you wash out the role of individual, you make Tamriel full of bleak crowds of redguard swordsmen, khajiit thieves, altmer magicians - by using your character sheet to define you instead of using your head.

Dip into what creativity you have left in you. Play altmer warriors who's been trained in military gymnasiums and perfected their body instead of doing magic. Play khajiit or orc magicians brought up in Artaeum. Play bloody redguard necromancers if you enjoy it. More than that, play farmers who's been living off their land whole their life (and thus don't have suddenly appearing thieving skills), play traders who don't know how to hold a sword. Play more than cliche from your character sheet. By demanding character sheet numbers to back up your story - that is supposed to be unique story, all of your own - you're washing out the game and actually making lore poorer for it.

Rant over.

Gilvoth · January 2019

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Leogon · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

I couldn't agree more. That would be a good thing for both PvE and PvP.

Azyle1 · January 2019

Leogon wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

I couldn't agree more. That would be a good thing for both PvE and PvP.

Or just put the passives in a pool and let players choose 3 they want.

Tan9oSuccka · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

such nonsense. race passives don't make you any different than anyone else. I wish they would just get rid of racial passives all together. It would solve all the problems. But that would make too much sense for ZOS to do.

We should be able to play whatever race we want. rather than the idiotic meta sheep with their "no you can't run this trial unless your this race/class combo cause racial passives mean everything. those minimal buffs actually matte that much"

You know, I didn’t think they mattered much until I rolled a Redguard and a Bosmer.

Wow!

Sergykid · January 2019

JKorr wrote: »

Anyone changing race; remember, unless its been changed, if you don't have the "play any race/any faction" version, whether you got it as a pre-order bonus, or you bought it with crowns from the crown store, you might not be able to change the race of your character if that race doesn't belong to the faction the character currently does.

If, for example, the character you want to change is a dunmer or nord currently in Ebonheart and you want to change to khajiit ; they belong in the Aldmeri Dominion. If the races are still faction locked without the explorer's pack/adventurer's pack, you might not be able to change.

i wanna change from orc to argonian, so you mean that if i don't have the any race any alliance thing, i can't do it? i can only change to breton/redguard?