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Would you like to have a class change token available, now that we're getting yet another new class?
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rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
And you're saying this dog that you love so dearly, you want to magically change into a pony, and everything will be right as rain.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Lemme try to draw a picture so you guys can understand it better.
You have a dog, you like it, you lived with it for quite a while and has grown attached to it.
You dog got hurt, had one leg incapacitated, he now has a mechanical wheel for movement and can barely play with you.
But then you come across a way to make him fix his leg, but apparently everyone says you should get a new puppy, since it takes no time for it to grow and become a dog. Just scrap the old one and get a fresh start.
Got it now?
Your "dog's" leg isn't hurt at all - there isn't a damn thing preventing your dog from playing with you in any way you choose.
Bull ***.
No one's telling you to "scrap" your old dog. You can have your faithful hound (still quite unbroken) and a puppy - the one has zero effect on the other.
You've seen another dog that catches a frisbee a slightly different way and suddenly determined your old dog less capable, all while he runs, jumps, and plays just fine.
I appreciate the attempt, but your analogy is not only monumentally bad, it's also completely wrong.
No, it's certainly not. Again, this is the same counterargument why is should not be an option.It's about earned progress that you cannot replicate on a fresh character in less than a year (or couple).
It's not hard to understand.
You want something else on your main, but you can barely stand to work with a new alt. I don't know what to tell you about your predicament.
While your reasons may be noble and genuine, I suspect there is reason they have not offered this as an option up to now.
In the grand scheme, ,this entire debate serves little purpose, because it will be ZoS (translated: Marketing) that will ultimately decide if they offer this up as an option.
Convince them that it will make them enough money, and I doubt there's much they wouldn't put up in the crown store.
Have you played sorc lately? Well I did, a lot, in fact almost 4 years.
You're right, the sorc dog isn't hurt, he has terminal brain cancer because of zos. And don't even bother with the l2p stuff or slot a heal, ive tried every possible spec (even heavy armor) and it sucks bad compared to everything else, this is not the sorc i started the game with, heck i even tried turning my high elf magsorc into stam (lol) to see if it worked, it does, but it's as bland as it can be.
But you're right, it's up to zos, this arguing won't get anywhereEdited by rafaelcsmaia on January 14, 2019 9:31PM4 -
Yes, add the class change token.I don't want an alternative character because I don't want to waste time on stupid grinds. For me it's just no fun and time is valuable.
I love my main, his achievments and a world without undone questmarkers.
These are the reasons why I would love to change my nightblade to warden or templar.1 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, do not add the class change token.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
You can be functional in ~100 hours, and you only have to do it once (per character). This has already been covered.All I want are at least 2 more character slots, Leveling, doing Undaunted, Mage Guild etc. will give me an incentive to play the game to its full extent again and maybe have some fun along the way.
You'd actually bother doing everything all over again? How much time do you have on your hands...
wayyyy less lol.
1-50 during event is 2 hours,
undaunted is 1 hour per day and you need like 7-9 days to get undaunted 9 if you get most achievements so lets say 9 hours,
mage guild 3 hours,
psijic 2 hours,
and then add all the other stuff you have to do like leveling alchemy, crafting training gear, leveling skilllines etc. and you end up with (lets be generous) 20 hours of playtime before the character is maxed and Raid/PvP-ready.
Doesn't matter how fast you can level, some people want there mains that have every single motif, pattern etc on them to be able to switch classes as well2 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
LOL......... Itlf it's a legitimate contest, ZOS can verify. If it's not then... Wow... Just wow.Edited by Nyladreas on January 15, 2019 1:07PM0 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
LOL......... Itlf it's a legitimate contest, ZOS can verify. If it's not then... Wow... Just wow.
I think he means those forum posts/yt videos of "Worlds first whatever", just for personal fullfilment or views/like grabs0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
LOL......... Itlf it's a legitimate contest, ZOS can verify. If it's not then... Wow... Just wow.
I think he means those forum posts/yt videos of "Worlds first whatever", just for personal fullfilment or views/like grabs
That's terrible
that can't be fun. It's like some people live only to reap absolutely meaningless recognition. Why? Edited by Nyladreas on January 15, 2019 1:43PM1 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
LOL......... Itlf it's a legitimate contest, ZOS can verify. If it's not then... Wow... Just wow.
I think he means those forum posts/yt videos of "Worlds first whatever", just for personal fullfilment or views/like grabs
That's terrible that can't be fun. It's like some people live only to reap absolutely meaningless recognition. Why?
Well to be fair his point is the fairest i've seen regarding the class changes, other than calling ppl lazy or whatnot0 -
Ertosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.
Not if the Class Change Token cost more than unlocking an extra Character Slot.
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No new crafting or game systems for 2019? "Season of the Dragon" would be better named "The Year of no New Major Features"
https://i.imgur.com/TPscgS9.jpg to see major features of the last few years compared.
https://i.imgur.com/X8qY0gP.jpg to see a detailed comparison of this year's Q1 to the last two Q1s.
https://i.imgur.com/4z71cK8.jpg to see a detailed comparison of each years' first two quarters combined.
https://i.imgur.com/jrHe5h8.jpg to see a projected comparison of the full years and what 2019's Q4 will need to catch up.
Unsubbed January 15th, 2019 due to the lack of any new substantial features shown to be coming in 2019.1 -
Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm sure I played more in my main character than most people did on all their alts. ZOS will see my money on class change tokens for sure, especially if they add a hand-to-hand class. They will only ever see me creating and spending on alts if the achievement system is account wide
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CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Without the cooldown, would suck to make a switch and hate it and have to wait 6 months.0 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?2 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Facefister wrote: »
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
Tell that to the people that want a class change token because they dont want to lose said titles / achievements.0 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
Tell that to the people that want a class change token because they dont want to lose said titles / achievements.
*overall completion
*crafting
*love for the certain character
Those outweighs your "Flawless Conquerer" which you've got with a shield-stacking sorc.
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Facefister wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
Tell that to the people that want a class change token because they dont want to lose said titles / achievements.
*overall completion
*crafting
*love for the certain character
Those outweighs your "Flawless Conquerer" which you've got with a shield-stacking sorc.
Nice hyperbole but the point still stands.0 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
Tell that to the people that want a class change token because they dont want to lose said titles / achievements.
*overall completion
*crafting
*love for the certain character
Those outweighs your "Flawless Conquerer" which you've got with a shield-stacking sorc.
Nice hyperbole but the point still stands.
*skyshards
*Lorebooks
*Undaunted, Fighters, Mages guild
*Skillpoints
*Character slots
And you come up with the least important part "titles". Nice "point" you've got there.1 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.I believe titles are bound to most achievements and overall completion, so i think they are important yes2 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Facefister wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Who cares about titles? If you're really good/bad with a certain class, the illusion of your title vanishes the moment you enter a group.I am against it, cause it takes away the competition some players are aiming for.
Maybe i want to be the first Grand Overlord Necromancer, maybe i want to be the first flawless conquerer on Necromancer but how can i prove i did it as necro if i have done it on my sorc and then just changed class?
Tell that to the people that want a class change token because they dont want to lose said titles / achievements.
*overall completion
*crafting
*love for the certain character
Those outweighs your "Flawless Conquerer" which you've got with a shield-stacking sorc.
Nice hyperbole but the point still stands.
*skyshards
*Lorebooks
*Undaunted, Fighters, Mages guild
*Skillpoints
*Character slots
And you come up with the least important part "titles". Nice "point" you've got there.
What the hell are you talking about? You said "who cares about titles", obviously those that want to keep them as they have said in threads like this do. It was not an exclusive isolated reason. People have been asking for account wide sky shards, lore books, etc etc for years.
My entire point as you have missed it apparently, is that you dont get to belittle people who value titles and what they mean for a character accomplishment and ignore the opposite of those wanting a class change to retain said accomplishments / titles as ONE of the reasons.0 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I also forgot the 180 days of mount training.
The point is, you have no point, you just assume that the majority wants a class change token because of their titles.4 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Facefister wrote: »I also forgot the 180 days of mount training.
The point is, you have no point, you just assume that the majority wants a class change token because of their titles.
I assumed no such thing. It was one reason that many have mentioned. That is all. You are talking in circles.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.https://clips.twitch.tv/DreamyBeautifulEggCoolStoryBro
Officially redundant thread for the foreseeable future.Edited by exeeter702 on January 16, 2019 2:24AM0 -
Thaumic✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.There really should be another option to this survey... class switching at will (outside of combat / dungeon / PvP /etc). We should be able to learn all class skills / skill lines on a single character, in line with previous TES games. It feels counter to the Elder Scrolls experience not being able to.
I'm not asking to use them all at once, just be able to learn them. Not abandon the class system entirely, just be able to switch between them. That other MMOs allow this (very effectively, to much praise and with no balance issues) and an Elder Scrolls game does not, feels so wrong. The ability to learn near everything has been such a hallmark of the series for so long. To have that freedom of choice and flexibility with your character, is a big part of what made me fall in love with these games. Now every class skill that my character can't take feels like a restriction of his freedom. Each class / skill added should be adding more choice for him, but instead it's effectively taking options away from him, out of reach.
Just from a practical standpoint I don't have the time to create and play multiple characters, and nor should I have to after spending thousands of hours developing the one I care about. Not just a 'build' but a Character!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff)2 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.exeeter702 wrote: »Facefister wrote: »I also forgot the 180 days of mount training.
The point is, you have no point, you just assume that the majority wants a class change token because of their titles.
I assumed no such thing. It was one reason that many have mentioned. That is all. You are talking in circles.
Look who's talking
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would rather see the ability to have one character have multiple " configurations/loadouts" so i can quickly swap between solo questing and dungeon running, DPS and Tank, PVE and PVP, etc like what is standard of games of this genre.1 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.It's hard to get excited about the chapter with the prospect of having to redo so much tedious grinding, when I already have a toon that is derelict and nerfed into being nothing more than a writ jockey.3 -
SwedishMini✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Of course! How can this not be a thing already? They have created a crafting system that requires weeks of research and skyshards for exploration, mount lvling that has a daily cooldown but don't create a way for players to change class. That would be fine in of itself, but then they add 2 new classes. I just want my orc main to be a warden. That's all. If I knew warden was gonna be released when I created him as a nightblade I wouldn't have bought the game and just waited til morrowind.1
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.SwedishMini wrote: »Of course! How can this not be a thing already? They have created a crafting system that requires weeks of research and skyshards for exploration, mount lvling that has a daily cooldown but don't create a way for players to change class. That would be fine in of itself, but then they add 2 new classes. I just want my orc main to be a warden. That's all. If I knew warden was gonna be released when I created him as a nightblade I wouldn't have bought the game and just waited til morrowind.
Exactly, how can this not be a thing in a game where it takes years to accomplish everything on a single character... Sigh.
Any input @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert ?Edited by Nyladreas on January 16, 2019 8:49AM1 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.SwedishMini wrote: »Of course! How can this not be a thing already? They have created a crafting system that requires weeks of research and skyshards for exploration, mount lvling that has a daily cooldown but don't create a way for players to change class. That would be fine in of itself, but then they add 2 new classes. I just want my orc main to be a warden. That's all. If I knew warden was gonna be released when I created him as a nightblade I wouldn't have bought the game and just waited til morrowind.
Exactly, how can this not be a thing in a game where it takes years to accomplish everything on a single character... Sigh.
Any input @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert ?
It seems they already said no in yesterday's twitch live, so well, time to go back to rdr20 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »SwedishMini wrote: »Of course! How can this not be a thing already? They have created a crafting system that requires weeks of research and skyshards for exploration, mount lvling that has a daily cooldown but don't create a way for players to change class. That would be fine in of itself, but then they add 2 new classes. I just want my orc main to be a warden. That's all. If I knew warden was gonna be released when I created him as a nightblade I wouldn't have bought the game and just waited til morrowind.
Exactly, how can this not be a thing in a game where it takes years to accomplish everything on a single character... Sigh.
Any input @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert ?
It seems they already said no in yesterday's twitch live, so well, time to go back to rdr2
Siiiiiiiiigghhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Welp, looks like we can let this die.0
