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Chapter cost vs brand new game
BmcD73
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I think you really need to reconsider the cost of these DLC. It's almost the full price of a new game. You have Anthem and BDX right on the horizon that cost $59. This costs $39. The question I ask myself is do I spend $40 on a DLC or $60 on a full NEW game. On top of that, if you buy the collectors ed (not upgrade), you are giving all the collector content in one bundle which is a great value but at the same time dumping on your most valuable customers that buy early and often. It kinda feels like a slap in the face. I've bought every collectors edition of everything to this point. Spent maybe around $500 (not including sub fees). Now, someone new that may or may NOT be a continuing customer can get everything I have for what, $60? I think this may be the first one I sit out. Maybe wait until it is on sale for $10 or something. The pre-order items aren't anything special nor are the collectors items. Treasure maps literally just take up space in my bank. XP scrolls? Really? I think I have close to 100 of those now. The mounts...maybe if they weren't just a reskin of existing mounts. A single loot crate? Try 15 and maybe. The outfits are the only thing that I think are unique and may be worth something.
And let's re-discuss this whole chapter vs DLC thing. I will admit that the chapter is more than a DLC but much less than an expansion. If you really wanted to make this valuable, the chapter would include all the content for that chapter...all the future DLC for that year. That would add value. That is the direction DLC is moving towards now anyway. Season Passes USED to mean you get all the future DLC. Now they use words like Year 1 content, etc. The whole thing is just turning me off to be honest. So I this will be the first one I sit out which is a shame because it looks cooler than the past DLC.
And let's re-discuss this whole chapter vs DLC thing. I will admit that the chapter is more than a DLC but much less than an expansion. If you really wanted to make this valuable, the chapter would include all the content for that chapter...all the future DLC for that year. That would add value. That is the direction DLC is moving towards now anyway. Season Passes USED to mean you get all the future DLC. Now they use words like Year 1 content, etc. The whole thing is just turning me off to be honest. So I this will be the first one I sit out which is a shame because it looks cooler than the past DLC.
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Too bad you wandered away for 2018 or else this would have been a trilogy.
Difference between DLC and "Expansion"??
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317390/difference-between-dlc-and-expansion/p1signing off0 -
Cardthief✭✭✭Oops, already dropped $70 CAD on the digital collector's edition pre-order.
In all seriousness though, the price is indeed steep, but that is a decision made from marketing, not the devs.(MC) Main DPS: Redz Kuinn - Lvl 50 - MagSorc - PvE
Main Healer: Soranna Anilu - Lvl 50 - Templar - PvE
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭39.99 USD for an upgrade is still not that bad for a yearly expansion.
And the amount of content in each expansion is about equal to a regular game release. Honestly, they can't make everyone happy.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
maboleth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Actually I agree with this.
With ESO you:
1. Buy a base game.
2. Have many QoL restrictions if you don't subscribe. And subscription for 1 month is the entire year for N and its online service for all online games.
3. Have so many micro/mid transactions outside of the base game. Many costumes, trinkets, colours, tokens, houses... all require real money.
4. Many stuff is locked in the gambling boxes and are openly advertising people to waste money on the trivial items hoping to get "exclusive" mounts.
5. Housing is mostly an expensive hassle, decorate-with-crown items. Advertised as a "free" update, housing was a Trojan horse, that got more people hooked and cashed much more than a paid DLC.
6. New Chapters cost like a full new game (depends on the title, but you're close).
7. Finding people, BG matches and big Cyrodiil battles outside of prime time takes, well - time or is barely there.
8. Game has lag (PVP), instabilities and obvious bugs that take weeks or months (major updates) to iron out. New ones get introduced with new updates so it's almost a never-ending cycle.
So yeah, I understand MMO games require constant flow of money. BUT, we pay the base game, we subscribe every month (optionally, right, but every serious ESO player WILL have to do it for the sake of QoL). But it's not enough. They want more with so many crown store items AND extremely overpriced housings AND loot boxes AND new Chapters that cost almost like a new game. It's so overpriced that I feel overwhelmed after being on the "other side" where you buy a game that works out of the box, 1y online service and that's it.
Like seriously, I think we are sponsoring their budget for making new IPs or whatever... not ESO. 8 -
CyberOnEso✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pretty easy decision for me.
I have played around 6000 hours of this game, around 2000 per chapter. (2000 before chapters were a thing)
I have averaged 30 hours on every game I own, taking an average cost per game of £25 gives £0.833 per hour vs £35 per expansion with 2000 hours play time £0.0175 per hour of playtime.
Also necromancers are cool.Edited by CyberOnEso on January 16, 2019 1:27AM@CyberOnEso PC | EU - Jack of all Trades - Armory Style Manager Planesbreaker | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart3 -
Lake✭✭✭✭✭Oops, already dropped $70 CAD on the digital collector's edition pre-order.
In all seriousness though, the price is indeed steep, but that is a decision made from marketing, not the devs.
Wow, it's that cheap there?
It's $119.95 Australian Dollars here ( $115 CAD / $86 USD ).
Edited by Lake on January 16, 2019 1:28AM1 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CyberOnEso wrote: »Pretty easy decision for me.
I have played around 6000 hours of this game, around 2000 per chapter. (2000 before chapters were a thing)
I have averaged 30 hours on every game I own, taking an average cost per game of £25 gives £0.833 per hour vs £35 per expansion with 2000 hours play time £0.0175 per hour of playtime.
Also necromancers are cool.
I also calculate my money to hour ratio to determine if something is worth my time and money.
I've put a lot of both into the game (waaaaaay more than I'll admit) and yet ESO is still the cheapest form of entertainment I have.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Already purchased. They made it hard (website crashed) but I managed to get it done.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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IronWooshu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anthem looks cool but dunno how involved I will be with that game, I am pretty happy with ESO as my MMO fix, Black Ops 4 as my FPS fix and have games like Spiderman to revist, Horizon: Zero Down to beat, God of War and other great single player games that I don't have any time for two MMO's.
Answer: My $$$ and ESO.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IronWooshu wrote: »Anthem looks cool but dunno how involved I will be with that game, I am pretty happy with ESO as my MMO fix, Black Ops 4 as my FPS fix and have games like Spiderman to revist, Horizon: Zero Down to beat, God of War and other great single player games that I don't have any time for two MMO's.
Answer: My $$$ and ESO.
Yeah. I don't do games like those others. Actually right now, the only games I play are Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESO. Not changing any time soon either.
Really, as compared to other sorts of entertainment (eating out, heading down the pub, taking in a movie at a theater, watching a stage play) this is DIRT CHEAP.
Our tickets for two plays at the local festival run us around $400 a year. I can pay for two accounts for a full year each for that, or close. And really, considering that husband sleeps through the stage plays, and the local theaters are full of idiots, it's cheap at TWICE that price.
Hmm. Maybe I need two more accounts.....2 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭and yet people was paying that much for fallout 76 while now:
Edited by Edziu on January 16, 2019 2:10AM4 -
Here's the thing: I could spend my money on a brand new game. But I might find after a couple of weeks I just don't like it, so that money was 'wasted'.
On the other hand, I pretty much know that I will enjoy the new content here and have fun playing a new class.
On my third hand, I can do both and not notice, as the price is about the same as a decent Indian delivery, but the new content will last a lot longer!
Overall, it's not a terrible price considering it will be hundreds if not thousands of hours worth of entertainment for less than the cost of a reasonable round of drinks. Or one half decent bottle of red wine:-)2 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭30 hours of playtime + sidequests (per the stream) is about the same as non-open world single player RPGs. So pretty competitive. And it's cheap for an MMO xpac. Several years ago, SWTOR's Shadow of Revan cost me $50 (or was it $60?). Wasn't the last WoW xpac a similar price?
Anyway, games are probably some of the cheapest entertainment around. I try to remember that when part of me gets sticker shock
P.S. Am totally psyched for the Anthem demo in February! Looks like it'll be a blast
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eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭For the kind of money they're asking in EUR, I could have some 40 draught beers in a pub, or 60 bottled ones off the shelf in a supermarket. How does that translate to entertainment value?
(Yes, I tend to translate any price into beer. Yes, it's a weird habit.)
But at least ESO doesn't ruin my liver, right?
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Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Uhm, I'm a bit suprised you bring in the edition prices.
How about the upgrade prices?0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS produces reasonably priced actual content rather than more microtransactions.
... Yep, more than happy to pay for that.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's 30 hours of content. Most AAA games don't even have 15 hours of content.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IronWooshu wrote: »Anthem looks cool but dunno how involved I will be with that game, I am pretty happy with ESO as my MMO fix, Black Ops 4 as my FPS fix and have games like Spiderman to revist, Horizon: Zero Down to beat, God of War and other great single player games that I don't have any time for two MMO's.
Answer: My $$$ and ESO.
Anthem is published by EA and developed by Bioware. It's guaranteed to be hot garbage.0 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Already purchased. They made it hard (website crashed) but I managed to get it done.
@lordrichter sorry you had trouble. I had zero problems making making my purchase. And for OP, to me the cost is trivial and well worth it. Everyone has to make their own decisions when it comes to purchasing what is offered.0 -
Nulami✭✭✭I think you really need to reconsider the cost of these DLC. It's almost the full price of a new game. You have Anthem and BDX right on the horizon that cost $59. This costs $39. The question I ask myself is do I spend $40 on a DLC or $60 on a full NEW game.
ESO chapter is still cheaper than Everquest II (and probably Everquest I) expansions from the end of last year.
ESO is a little on the high side in my opinion, but not more than grumble under the breath higher than I would like.
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Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »For the kind of money they're asking in EUR, I could have some 40 draught beers in a pub, or 60 bottled ones off the shelf in a supermarket. How does that translate to entertainment value?
(Yes, I tend to translate any price into beer. Yes, it's a weird habit.)
But at least ESO doesn't ruin my liver, right?
Wow you lucky fish Where do you live? I can only get 16 Draughts for that price here. 0 -
Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭Eso = not worth the time and money
Each chapter has been a fail without any real content... Not buying this one, not worth it0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Another one of these threads? I don't disagree with the critique of the price, but this is additional content for people already invested in the game. For new players, they will get it packaged with the base game, making the AAA prices sensible. For those of us getting the upgrade, the value is partly in our already existing investment and interest in the game, so we are more willing to overpay.
Personally, I almost never pre-order, but I pre-order chapters because I want more narrative ASAP. It is what it is.0 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Actually I agree with this.
With ESO you:
1. Buy a base game.
2. Have many QoL restrictions if you don't subscribe. And subscription for 1 month is the entire year for N and its online service for all online games.
3. Have so many micro/mid transactions outside of the base game. Many costumes, trinkets, colours, tokens, houses... all require real money.
4. Many stuff is locked in the gambling boxes and are openly advertising people to waste money on the trivial items hoping to get "exclusive" mounts.
5. Housing is mostly an expensive hassle, decorate-with-crown items. Advertised as a "free" update, housing was a Trojan horse, that got more people hooked and cashed much more than a paid DLC.
6. New Chapters cost like a full new game (depends on the title, but you're close).
7. Finding people, BG matches and big Cyrodiil battles outside of prime time takes, well - time or is barely there.
8. Game has lag (PVP), instabilities and obvious bugs that take weeks or months (major updates) to iron out. New ones get introduced with new updates so it's almost a never-ending cycle.
So yeah, I understand MMO games require constant flow of money. BUT, we pay the base game, we subscribe every month (optionally, right, but every serious ESO player WILL have to do it for the sake of QoL). But it's not enough. They want more with so many crown store items AND extremely overpriced housings AND loot boxes AND new Chapters that cost almost like a new game. It's so overpriced that I feel overwhelmed after being on the "other side" where you buy a game that works out of the box, 1y online service and that's it. Like seriously, I think we are sponsoring their budget for making new IPs or whatever... not ESO.
There is a lot of microtransactions because the sub isnt required to play. Most games have either a sub or a big cash shop. If you sub you get crowns anyway0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. Multiplayer vs massive multiplayer is a big difference and OP is taking about games of the smaller variety. They are essentially single player games that can be played with a group. MMO light is probably a good way to look at it.
When comparing games it is difficult to compare across genres as OP is doing.
As for this game, OP can wait until the zone part of the chapter is just a DLC. It will cost less and will also be part of ESO+. Pretty simple solution.
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clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭They jack up the price because you get Morrowind and Summerset (free perks, sure..) even though you might not be interested in repurchasing those.0 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ryath_Waylander wrote: »Wow you lucky fish Where do you live? I can only get 16 Draughts for that price here.
Oh, Prague, the beer capital of Europe. Of course, you'd have to avoid tourist traps in the inner city to get such prices, but that goes without saying. Working class taprooms is where it's at. Noisy, smelly, authentic, cheap. 0
