Bam_Bam wrote: »

I'm not. I actually PRAY that it NEVER EVER happens.

If they can't fix a server's performance, how on earth are they expected to create a spell-crafting system that is effective, bug-free and integrates seamlessly with current systems and has little to no effect on balance?

Exactly...

what's the point of introducing something new if it's going to have "little to no effect on balance"?

Nyladreas wrote: »

Why does everyone want this all the time? I don't get it, you barely have smooth working combat as it is lol.

Also, why is everyone expecting it so much? There's like nothing specifically pointing towards spellcrafting at all, other than some random tablet with a very likely reused asset from 2014.

Not that I don't like the idea of it, it sounds fantastic. I just don't think it should be now and I don't think it will.

I honestly don't care too much about balance, because there will always be imbalance. I mean, obviously I think that everything should still be tested and tweaked as needed to prevent things from being too OP, but there always seems to be this immensely strong desire from players, of wanting a perfectly balanced game (or nearly so), and it really just feels unrealistic. Not worth keeping the game back from adding new things.

Balance is nice, but using that to keep the game from being able to add new interesting systems is where I draw the line on where it's priority should be. I'm actually more interested in the possible utility skills that could come from such a system, or how it could help fill out non-bis builds like bow/bow builds, Cyromancer builds, and things like that, rather than what it will do to the meta-builds. How it will affect the meta is actually the thing about it that I'm least interested in.

As for why people think it's coming now? Well, I'll be honest, it's probably a lot down to wanting to see things we want to see. As the announcement time comes closer, and analyzing the hints more and more, I'm becoming more and more doubtful of it showing up. We make the hints look like the hints we want them to be for things, rather than the harsh truth that it's probably for something else.

I fail to see how giving more depth to the build system would affect the game negatively regardings balance more than it already is. Take a look at how many sets there is, take a look at the CP system and all its permutations, what part of it does not scream DEPTH. Spellcrafting would be one of such systems, it was planned and in my opinion finished (put away to be used in a near future just like the warden class).

Like with all things we will get over it but with a great system to develop skills to cover for deficiencies and upgrades in builds/roles/classes. The balance you are waiting for will never come because it will never exist in this game. Balance = success/fail being defined exclusively by player skill, such as chess, sports (unless you want to argue genetics/gender), etc. Not the case in ESO, skill is mere a part of the whole. In any case, "ESO is not ready" is a 5 year old argument, when do you expect it to be ready, in 10 years? 20 years?

Spellcrafting will come, I have no doubts they will milk the *** out of it. And I don't trust ZOS word of "it's out of the table" because such was with the subscription model and other things. Yes, I do have faith in the recycling of justice system to bestow upon us its full glory. Don't underestimate their will/lack of creativity to recycle stuff in game and sell it as brand new.

ChunkyCat wrote: »

If I can’t craft Cloak for my Stam Sorc, then I don’t want to live in this SpellCraft fantasy world anymore.

Oh everyone with cloak in Cyro sounds so much fun

Every other Elder Scrolls game has included one or more game-breaking glitch that allowed me to turn my character into an invincible all-powerful god-king. This isn't currently possible in ESO; it MIGHT be possible in ESO with spellcrafting. Ergo, I want spellcrafting.

As to PvP balance, well, if I cared one whit about PvP then I suppose I'd take a different stance; as it is, god-king me, ESO!

Ertosi wrote: »

Because all Elder Scrolls games have Spellcrafting. I'd love to see this game mature into being a real Elder Scrolls game one day.

Skyrim did not have spellcrafting. I usually take an even keel about these things, but I was incensed by its removal.

Anyway, as for ESO, I'm not here for the combat and generally ignore the meta anyway. I'm here for the world, to play a role within the world, and my main character is a scholarly mage and spellwright. I want to spend hours and hours plumbing the depths of a spellcrafting system, experimenting with different combinations and tailoring spells to my need--even if they aren't the most practical spells for most people.

That said, I have no expectation of spellcrafting ever coming to ESO. There are a lot of people who are quick to look at any given datamined tidbit and hold it up as proof positive that we're really getting spellcrafting this time, but I'll need something a little more substantial than a re-used asset or a vague filename to convince me.

C'mon, ZOS, prove me wrong. ;D

They’ve taken plenty of time to do it right, 5 years of refining since the concept was shown.

I’m all for adding Spellcrafting. Dozens if not hundreds of new spells to mix up the meta. And with a scale like that I highly doubt anyone will find “the best” combinations immediately. There will be a lot of different builds and ideas that are viable, and new spells will serve to fill the gaps in current builds that don’t quite work out (like an ice based spammable with Ysgramor for example).

They don’t even have to bring all the spells at once. Just add the framework and introduce a few with each update.

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

We NEED something that ups the gameplay. All the skill lines and classes feel boring after 5 years. This game needs additional mechanics when it comes to skills and combat, it really does. It's my main gripe with the game.

And no, just new skill lines won't fix combat.

If they actually addressed and fixed all bugs with current skill lines and skills and balanced better I would be down for spell crafting but tbh spell crafting will just add more calculations and reduce game performance further.

That's not really how programming/math work in relation to performance. If there is a concern with introducing new mechanics it would be the risk of introducing gamebreaking bugs. But that is always a risk. And you don't discover new land without losing sight of the shore...

ezio45 wrote: »

i dont really want spell crafting

You don’t have to use it.

I'm looking forward to spell casting so I can finally make my magden more viable. Current rotation is underwhelming.

ppl get either excited or terrified when new things might happen.