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Would you like to have a class change token available, now that we're getting yet another new class?
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, but only IF...If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaperrafaelcsmaia wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaper
So if I have over 5k hours of playtime on my main I suddenly am lazy because I dont feel like starting all over again? Wow
Yes. New class, new character. Been this way in every good (and even 99.9% of bad games)0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaperrafaelcsmaia wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaper
So if I have over 5k hours of playtime on my main I suddenly am lazy because I dont feel like starting all over again? Wow
Yes. New class, new character. Been this way in every good (and even 99.9% of bad games)
What part of "takes years to accomplish" did you not understand? We don't care about having battle-ready characters AT ALL. We have 14 alts for this. we just want our mains to be enjoyable again because WE CARE about those characters.
For the last time... It's not laziness. It's something entirely different, hence why we're suggesting a requirement like Cadwell's gold or yearly cooldown.
It's ironic that we have people commenting on laziness, while they never even bother to read the whole OP.
Holy cheese.Edited by Nyladreas on January 14, 2019 5:59AM8 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.MLGProPlayer wrote: »To all the people who say nobody would play this game if we had class change tokens, why do people play FFXIV? You can change your class whenever you want in that game yet their population is just as healthy as ESO's, if not healthier.
Quoted this post in the OP, thanks for the factual reminder
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaperrafaelcsmaia wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaper
So if I have over 5k hours of playtime on my main I suddenly am lazy because I dont feel like starting all over again? Wow
Yes. New class, new character. Been this way in every good (and even 99.9% of bad games)
What part of "takes years to accomplish" did you not understand? We don't care about having battle-ready characters AT ALL. We have 14 alts for this. we just want our mains to be enjoyable again because WE CARE about those characters.
For the last time... It's not laziness. It's something entirely different, hence why we're suggesting a requirement like Cadwell's gold or yearly cooldown.
It's ironic that we have people commenting on laziness, while they never even bother to read the whole OP.
Holy cheese.
For me it would be a statement of me having mastered the world of Tamriel (completing Cadwell gold) and thus proving I could take on a new challenge since one chapter was ending it would open up more of the game to that dedicated character. And since zos monetized player participation in events, monetizing tokens at 5k would be a fair price for such a time sink. As someone with 15 characters and one main I think this achievement of furthering mastering the world around you would be meaningful.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sheezabeast wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaperrafaelcsmaia wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaper
So if I have over 5k hours of playtime on my main I suddenly am lazy because I dont feel like starting all over again? Wow
Yes. New class, new character. Been this way in every good (and even 99.9% of bad games)
What part of "takes years to accomplish" did you not understand? We don't care about having battle-ready characters AT ALL. We have 14 alts for this. we just want our mains to be enjoyable again because WE CARE about those characters.
For the last time... It's not laziness. It's something entirely different, hence why we're suggesting a requirement like Cadwell's gold or yearly cooldown.
It's ironic that we have people commenting on laziness, while they never even bother to read the whole OP.
Holy cheese.
For me it would be a statement of me having mastered the world of Tamriel (completing Cadwell gold) and thus proving I could take on a new challenge since one chapter was ending it would open up more of the game to that dedicated character. And since zos monetized player participation in events, monetizing tokens at 5k would be a fair price for such a time sink. As someone with 15 characters and one main I think this achievement of furthering mastering the world around you would be meaningful.
Exactly! I quoted your previous post and added this as a proposed baseline requirement too @Sheezabeast. I thought it was excellent.2 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sheezabeast wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaperrafaelcsmaia wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »If it resets everything except skyshards. Gotta let you lazy people have something for $50 class change token. No cheaper
So if I have over 5k hours of playtime on my main I suddenly am lazy because I dont feel like starting all over again? Wow
Yes. New class, new character. Been this way in every good (and even 99.9% of bad games)
What part of "takes years to accomplish" did you not understand? We don't care about having battle-ready characters AT ALL. We have 14 alts for this. we just want our mains to be enjoyable again because WE CARE about those characters.
For the last time... It's not laziness. It's something entirely different, hence why we're suggesting a requirement like Cadwell's gold or yearly cooldown.
It's ironic that we have people commenting on laziness, while they never even bother to read the whole OP.
Holy cheese.
For me it would be a statement of me having mastered the world of Tamriel (completing Cadwell gold) and thus proving I could take on a new challenge since one chapter was ending it would open up more of the game to that dedicated character. And since zos monetized player participation in events, monetizing tokens at 5k would be a fair price for such a time sink. As someone with 15 characters and one main I think this achievement of furthering mastering the world around you would be meaningful.
Exactly! I quoted your previous post and added this as a proposed baseline requirement too @Sheezabeast. I thought it was excellent.
Thanks, I was just trying to explain more, it’s not about laziness at all. As a person who has deleted multiple max level characters, I’m not afraid of a grind that is worth the payout. And for people with less time to come play they could pay for it at a premium tier cost. And we both win.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!2 -
Morgha_Kul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.I don't imagine I would use it, but I can't see that it should be harmful.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.2 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Tbf Tes is all about playing how you want. Skyrim didn't require you to pick a class so you could change at any given point. Would make sense if eso had this to!1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I would love a class change token as well since my main has all my recipes and patterns etc on it, and would love for it to be the newest class1 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, but only IF...I'd totally support that for people who have a toon they'd rather change, but I also want new character slots released because I personally would rather make new toons.1 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.
Of course it is, because you're puzzled at the apparent required repetition of Undaunted, etc that @ATomiX96 mentions above. Your concern is about time frame, and the time frame has been provided.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
You can be functional in ~100 hours, and you only have to do it once (per character). This has already been covered.All I want are at least 2 more character slots, Leveling, doing Undaunted, Mage Guild etc. will give me an incentive to play the game to its full extent again and maybe have some fun along the way.
You'd actually bother doing everything all over again? How much time do you have on your hands...
Nobody is talking about being or not being functional. It would take you years to grind all achievements and doing every single world event and quest in the game.
This thread isn't about making endgame functional alts at all. But rather keeping all you've done on a character that you care about.
This isn't about me either. I'm doing this very same thing on EU because I can't play on NA anymore. I miss my character and I know it will take forever.
If it's not about functional, but merely about total achievements, then doing every achievement in game is far from necessary on a new alt.
You can have your main for your achievements and still have an alt, as well. They're not mutually exclusive unless you choose for them to be.
The choice to clear every achievement in the game is just that, a choice. Having another class available does not prevent you from doing this on one or more characters.
Introduction of the new class does not somehow prevent your original character from achieving anything. Your argument does not apply.
It's called your "main" for a reason. A new class does not (have to) change this.
You lose a bit of playtime on your main. That's it. There is nothing in the game that can't be accomplished over the life of your character, with plenty of time to spare for an alt (or the other way around.) This holds true no matter how much playtime you do (or don't) have, as I seriously doubt they're producing content faster than anyone is able to consume it.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, do not add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
You can be functional in ~100 hours, and you only have to do it once (per character). This has already been covered.All I want are at least 2 more character slots, Leveling, doing Undaunted, Mage Guild etc. will give me an incentive to play the game to its full extent again and maybe have some fun along the way.
You'd actually bother doing everything all over again? How much time do you have on your hands...
wayyyy less lol.
1-50 during event is 2 hours,
undaunted is 1 hour per day and you need like 7-9 days to get undaunted 9 if you get most achievements so lets say 9 hours,
mage guild 3 hours,
psijic 2 hours,
and then add all the other stuff you have to do like leveling alchemy, crafting training gear, leveling skilllines etc. and you end up with (lets be generous) 20 hours of playtime before the character is maxed and Raid/PvP-ready.Edited by ATomiX96 on January 14, 2019 1:58PM0 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.Lemme try to draw a picture so you guys can understand it better.
You have a dog, you like it, you lived with it for quite a while and has grown attached to it.
You dog got hurt, had one leg incapacitated, he now has a mechanical wheel for movement and can barely play with you.
But then you come across a way to make him fix his leg, but apparently everyone says you should get a new puppy, since it takes no time for it to grow and become a dog. Just scrap the old one and get a fresh start.
Got it now?3 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Lemme try to draw a picture so you guys can understand it better.
You have a dog, you like it, you lived with it for quite a while and has grown attached to it.
You dog got hurt, had one leg incapacitated, he now has a mechanical wheel for movement and can barely play with you.
But then you come across a way to make him fix his leg, but apparently everyone says you should get a new puppy, since it takes no time for it to grow and become a dog. Just scrap the old one and get a fresh start.
Got it now?
Thats horrible! Poor old dog!1 -
Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.I was going to say no because that would be more money for Zo$ but then I read some of the comments and I figured why not, it would make a lot of people happy and let them play old characters they love but don't like the class anymore.Edited by Kuramas9tails on January 14, 2019 4:11PMYour friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
New PSN name: SundariTheLast. Proud seller in RedEye Empire, PURPLE GANG and Backalley Trading.
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only if they put a 6 month cool down on it
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Lemme try to draw a picture so you guys can understand it better.
You have a dog, you like it, you lived with it for quite a while and has grown attached to it.
You dog got hurt, had one leg incapacitated, he now has a mechanical wheel for movement and can barely play with you.
But then you come across a way to make him fix his leg, but apparently everyone says you should get a new puppy, since it takes no time for it to grow and become a dog. Just scrap the old one and get a fresh start.
Got it now?
Thats horrible! Poor old dog!
Exactly! You got the point1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
Of course it is, because you're puzzled at the apparent required repetition of Undaunted, etc that @ATomiX96 mentions above. Your concern is about time frame, and the time frame has been provided.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
You can be functional in ~100 hours, and you only have to do it once (per character). This has already been covered.All I want are at least 2 more character slots, Leveling, doing Undaunted, Mage Guild etc. will give me an incentive to play the game to its full extent again and maybe have some fun along the way.
You'd actually bother doing everything all over again? How much time do you have on your hands...
Nobody is talking about being or not being functional. It would take you years to grind all achievements and doing every single world event and quest in the game.
This thread isn't about making endgame functional alts at all. But rather keeping all you've done on a character that you care about.
This isn't about me either. I'm doing this very same thing on EU because I can't play on NA anymore. I miss my character and I know it will take forever.
If it's not about functional, but merely about total achievements, then doing every achievement in game is far from necessary on a new alt.
You can have your main for your achievements and still have an alt, as well. They're not mutually exclusive unless you choose for them to be.
The choice to clear every achievement in the game is just that, a choice. Having another class available does not prevent you from doing this on one or more characters.
Introduction of the new class does not somehow prevent your original character from achieving anything. Your argument does not apply.
It's called your "main" for a reason. A new class does not (have to) change this.
You lose a bit of playtime on your main. That's it. There is nothing in the game that can't be accomplished over the life of your character, with plenty of time to spare for an alt (or the other way around.) This holds true no matter how much playtime you do (or don't) have, as I seriously doubt they're producing content faster than anyone is able to consume it.
I have absolutely no desire to play alts though, other than when I need to fill a role in content my guildies need help with. You're just lucky you can really.
I don't enjoy the game as much if I play a fresh character. I barely enjoy it in fact. I still love my main but would like something else on it, because it's the only character I care about, since I couldn't care less about endgame or scoreboards.
Look at people who are dedicated endgame players and feel like class change is going to hurt their game, cause of people who "don't know how to play". They want something but so do we? How are they more deserving of it than us? (Not to mention that their endless arguments about how easy it is to level a new character actually directly counterattack the argument that they don't want inexperienced players - F logic)
It's not only about the new class itself. I wanted a shadow knight since day one. Because that's what and who my character is, I only play nightblade cause it was the closest thing. Others may not even want necro or warden at all. I have friends who want to switch to templars and sorcs for example.
Speaking of not being able to achieve anything, I don't think you quite understand the subject, because once again I won't achieve anything on necromancer (or other classes) and will never enjoy it unless it's my main (alts only exist to help others). It's not about not having time to play other classes and alts because I have to focus focusing on the main at all. That's not the problem (as I mentioned many times before, I have multiple maxed out alts).
I only want ONE character. Period. Because I've spent time on it and alts don't interest me.
It's about having to reroll your main and having to start over from 0 to even remotely enjoy the game again. It's about earned progress that you cannot replicate on a fresh character in less than a year (or couple).
It's not hard to understand.Edited by Nyladreas on January 14, 2019 5:29PM2 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭I don't think they should and I hate grinding lvling but if they did do it it should be a one time only account wide not per toon but ounce for the whole accountDC PC NA
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.KharnTheUndying wrote: »Can we get leveling tokens!
Judging from this thread, might as well at this point.Edited by exeeter702 on January 14, 2019 6:15PM0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, do not add the class change token.MLGProPlayer wrote: »To all the people who say nobody would play this game if we had class change tokens, why do people play FFXIV? You can change your class whenever you want in that game yet their population is just as healthy as ESO's, if not healthier.
They are fundamentally different games that obey completely different progression structures.
14 jobs amount singular dedicated specs as opposed to entire classes in and of themselves. Likening a 14 job to an eso class is incredibly disingenuous. Gearing in 14 is very job specific ie there is little carry over on a characters loot acquisition to spread between various jobs, its there by very limited. Also of importance is that every job is leveled independently from one another, and as such the character is simply a holder of the various jobs, but playing any of those said jobs requires you level them completely from scratch (not to mention the requiremnt of leveling other jobs for important tertiary skills).
Respectfully, that is a terrible comparison.
However, if people are asking for something like your one character is a vestige that can switch to other classes in game (but having to level them up like normal) which essentially means your achievements, sky shards, lore books riding skills etc etc are covered on all classes and you dont have to log out, well that is an entirely separate discussion.Edited by exeeter702 on January 14, 2019 6:27PM0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.
And you're saying this dog that you love so dearly, you want to magically change into a pony, and everything will be right as rain.rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Lemme try to draw a picture so you guys can understand it better.
You have a dog, you like it, you lived with it for quite a while and has grown attached to it.
You dog got hurt, had one leg incapacitated, he now has a mechanical wheel for movement and can barely play with you.
But then you come across a way to make him fix his leg, but apparently everyone says you should get a new puppy, since it takes no time for it to grow and become a dog. Just scrap the old one and get a fresh start.
Got it now?
Your "dog's" leg isn't hurt at all - there isn't a damn thing preventing your dog from playing with you in any way you choose.
Bull ***.
No one's telling you to "scrap" your old dog. You can have your faithful hound (still quite unbroken) and a puppy - the one has zero effect on the other.
You've seen another dog that catches a frisbee a slightly different way and suddenly determined your old dog less capable, all while he runs, jumps, and plays just fine.
I appreciate the attempt, but your analogy is not only monumentally bad, it's also completely wrong.
No, it's certainly not. Again, this is the same counterargument why is should not be an option.It's about earned progress that you cannot replicate on a fresh character in less than a year (or couple).
It's not hard to understand.
You want something else on your main, but you can barely stand to work with a new alt. I don't know what to tell you about your predicament.
While your reasons may be noble and genuine, I suspect there is reason they have not offered this as an option up to now.
In the grand scheme, ,this entire debate serves little purpose, because it will be ZoS (translated: Marketing) that will ultimately decide if they offer this up as an option.
Convince them that it will make them enough money, and I doubt there's much they wouldn't put up in the crown store.
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on January 14, 2019 6:34PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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RavenEye✭✭Yes, but only IF...I can understand both sides of the argument. Before I voted I read most of the answers here, then made my decision.
There should be some type of restriction for it, like others have suggested. You can change your race afterall...
I'm sure when the Warden came out there were threads similar to this. They must know this is something a lot of people want and they still didn't do it back then...1 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.We have so many skilllines, classes are only there for 2~3 skills and the passives. They could be abolished at this point.2 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, do not add the class change token.Whats the use to change your class if you never learn(ed) to play it?0
