Unobtainable lorebooks

Carbonised · October 2018

"Writ of Valid Credentials" and the 2 other quest books for the "Cultural Clash" quest in Summerset are unobtainable. You get them added in your inventory (bad, bad mechanic) and have to manually read them in the short window of time before handing them in. If you don't do that, they are lost forever.

Solution: make all 3 quest books have a post-quest location where you can read them.

Cardthief · October 2018

This, in fact, make all lore books that suffer from this sort of inaccessibility have a post location which is accessible, for someone who wants to get 100% of the lore books in the memory tab this is quite frustrating.

Carbonised · October 2018

Cardthief wrote: »

This, in fact, make all lore books that suffer from this sort of inaccessibility have a post location which is accessible, for someone who wants to get 100% of the lore books in the memory tab this is quite frustrating.

With the fixes that came in Murkmire, this one book is literally the only one I need for a full Eidetic Memory completion, minus the Murkmire books that I haven't got yet.

Which makes it even more frustrating when you miss ONE book out of like 12,000 and cannot get it until ZOS gets around to actually fixing it ...

znrk · October 2018

Exactly the same problem is with two books associated with initial Summerset quest, The Queen's Decree:
* Invitation to the Kinlady's Conference
* Kinlady's Letter
These two were also, I believe, ninjainserted into the inventory. I missed them and now these are the only two books I miss from Summerset. Post-quest location for these would be highly appreciated.

tim99 · October 2018

Any knowledge/updates on these very much appreciated:
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* Tome of the Undaunted (unsigned)

does it make sense at all? Its still the same book, just without my signature. If i have read the signed version, shouldnt it count for both?

* Rhanbiq's Notes

ninja-inserted to inv at the final thieves-guild story quest

* Information Request from Emeric
* Updated Instructions from Dortene

in Cyro at DC's base

* Invitation to the Kinlady's Conference
* Sapiarch's Recommendation
* Writ of Valid Credentials

summersets post quest locations missing

* Blackguard Instructions, Two (Norg-Tzel)

after all the problem-books in houses and delves, which are not accessible after doing the quest... you didnt make a whole island unaccessible and placed some books there, did you? It feels a bit like making fun of us...
Didnt say anything... just got it. You have to group up again with someone who is doing the quest right now

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Tashira_Ronin · October 2018

1) Feb 2016 was the PTS patch notes for "Book of Seasons"
which said " will now appear in Abah's Landing if you missed it on the quest Forever Hold Your Peace. "

Since then i have been searching every bookshelf in hews bane at least once a week, including the ones i have to break into houses for, and i still do not have it.
May i have a little more guidance than "some random shelf" or a fixed alternate location for those who have done the quest.

2)
Orisinium starter quest the note "To Warlord Ice-Heart" there is still no way to access this after the quest and it remains in my eidetic memory as unknown despite doing the quest when the zone came out.

Meesha1170 · November 2018

Another older book that still haunts me is Orders from Halskar. It’s the only base game book that I’m missing. You can’t do the quest with a friend if you missed it, which is in the Morvunskr barracks. There is no post quest location. Access to the barracks is barred by two guards and not even a greyed out “Open Door” option appears on the door to the barracks after the quest either.

patrick_smyth · November 2018

I have quite a few books that I have missed that seem to be inaccessible now. These are the ones not mentioned above that I have given up on:

Norg-Tzel
- Blackguard Instructions, One
- Blackguard Instructions, Two
Vvardenfell - Zalkin-Sul Egg Mine
- Arowende's Diary Page 23
- Arowende's Diary Page 26
Vvardenfell
- Lord Vivec's Questions
Coldharbour - Endless Stair?
- How the Locks Work
Summerset - Sil-Var-Woad
- Fellrunner Failure?
- Findings on the Volatility of Imps
- Report on Wing Rot Curative Trials
- Y'ffre's Sparkling Steeds
Summerset
- Invitation to the Kinlady's Conference
- Sapiarch's Recommendation
- Writ of Valid Credentials

I do not usually do group dungeons and I have only a DC character so I will never get 100% anyway.
[Edit:] Remove Vvardenfell book - Add the Summerset ones I had forgotten about
[Edit:] Split Summerset section in two for clarity
[Edit:] Found a rock which is climbable to get back into the enclosure at Sil-Var-Woad
[Edit:] Found "How the Locks Work" on platform in Labyrinth
[Edit:] Found back entrance to Zalkin-Sul Egg Mine (see below)

patrick_smyth · December 2018

I also have a couple of notes missing from Cyrodiil

A Warning from Zimmeron
Pact Recruitment

As I said before, I have a Daggerfall Covenant character.

alejandrov0920 · January 2019

Also missing Invitation to the Kinlady's Conference, please add a post-quest location where you can read them.

tim99 · January 2019

patrick_smyth wrote: »

Vvardenfell - Zalkin-Sul Egg Mine
Arowende's Diary Page 23

Arowende's Diary Page 26

Not 100% sure, but i think you have a chance for those at least.
Try to group with someone who is doing the quest at the moment, or search for another entrance around the mountain.

patrick_smyth · January 2019

tim99 wrote: »

search for another entrance around the mountain.

THANK-YOU - Last night I found another (almost hidden) entrance!
I was able to cross Arowende's Diary off my list

The main entrance to Zalkin-Sul Egg Mine is here and is obvious:

If you enter here it is trespassing and if you are seen inside you will get a bounty. Unless you are on the relevant quest you will find an internal door blocks your passage after a while.

The "hidden" back entrance is here:

I took a picture of this entrance as it is easy to miss:

I suspect this entrance is not available until you have done the quest as it would probably break things.

Only a few more still to do

Adinaton · January 2019

tim99 wrote: »
Any knowledge/updates on these very much appreciated:
.
* Tome of the Undaunted (unsigned)
does it make sense at all? Its still the same book, just without my signature. If i have read the signed version, shouldnt it count for both?
* Rhanbiq's Notes
ninja-inserted to inv at the final thieves-guild story quest
* Information Request from Emeric
* Updated Instructions from Dortene
in Cyro at DC's base
* Invitation to the Kinlady's Conference
* Sapiarch's Recommendation
* Writ of Valid Credentials
summersets post quest locations missing
* Blackguard Instructions, Two (Norg-Tzel)
after all the problem-books in houses and delves, which are not accessible after doing the quest... you didn't make a whole island unaccessible and placed some books there, did you? It feels a bit like making fun of us...

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Also 2 more (if you are AD) in Cyrodiil:

* A Warning for Zimmeron
Pact Recruitment

I am so annoyed they can't fix Rhanbiq's Notes for TWO years now, and people have been reporting it for FAR too long...

Rowantree · January 2019

Could someone post a screenshot or something of the rock used to climb into the Conservatory enclosure in Sil Var Woad, I found a rock I can climb next to the wall but I can't get onto the wall, there's an invisible barriers I think.

patrick_smyth · January 2019

Rowantree wrote: »

Could someone post a screenshot or something of the rock used to climb into the Conservatory enclosure in Sil Var Woad, I found a rock I can climb next to the wall but I can't get onto the wall, there's an invisible barriers I think.

I took a map screenshot to show where it is but it is not very detailed:

The rock is in an enclosure with a lot of dunerippers in:

You can scramble up the cleft on the left side of it:

You should end up here:

From here it is possible to jump on to the wall (it sometime takes a few attempts). The enclosure beyond has a lot of (aggressive) Indriks in it so beware. From this enclosure you can access the "paddocks" (entrance on your right) and then the main building.
This way you enter the main building through the back door. You can exit through the front door (even though you cannot enter this way) or by fast travel.
I do not know if ZOS plan to "fix" this but if they do then I hope they put copies of all of the literature accessible outside after the quest.

Hope this helps,
Patrick

Edit: Explain exit door

Craziux · February 2019

"Blackguard Instructions, One"
Murkmire Prequel quest location.

(Please make quest locations re-visit-able after you complete quests, any quests! It would be nice to do, and we would be able to discover the Eidetic Memory if we missed them.)

tim99 · February 2019

patrick_smyth wrote: »

Norg-Tzel
Blackguard Instructions, One

Blackguard Instructions, Two

You can also get back to Norgtzel, i found out. Group up and at a special quest status (cant remember exactly which one but i guess when the quester has to travel there for the quest, but i remember it didnt work for a long time during the quest and suddenly *boom* works) i could travel to it again as well and read the missing books.

Pasha_Redrobe · February 2019

orders to halskar please fix it

Onigar · February 2019

With so many Lorebooks now in the game it has got to be very hard for devs to make sure books are available.

One way, with the backdoor access they must have into the game could be to create a number of accounts and run them as bots.

For the zos bots they can give them permanent invisibility so there is no issue of interaction with npc's and can loop round a zone including delves, dungeons etc to check for lorebooks. Note: for quests, dungeons and trials, creating your own portals to bypass boss unlocking of further content would also be under your control.

When the landscape height is moved for instance a lorebook may be inadvertently hidden. We see this effect with craft resource nodes which may be above or below the ground level and we only can see the below ground because of the Eye passive.

Only when a landscape/structural or other change is made to a zone would these zos bots need to be re-run.

Then this leaves the lorebooks that are received as part of quests. As they sit in your inventory from initial receipt they are effectively unread.

I suggest for this condition that on completion of the quest they remain in the quest inventory but at all times they are given a suitable highlight to indicate they still need to be read.

This would overcome any issue with a quest specific lorebook being lost before being read.

I hope this is noticed and if nothing from my suggestions is used please know it is very very frustrating to try and 100% complete the lorebook collection with the way the game is working against such a goal.

Thanks

OhDios · March 2019

Why not to just add a weekend vendor like golden or luxury to sale randomly those books reported in the forums as unobtainable and alliance locked?

Or if you have more than 4,000 books allow you to buy al those you dont have.

BellaDCopular · June 2020

The book Ashlander Tribes and Customs inside captain bravin's apartment cannot be accessed once you complete the questline, as the kinhouse it's linked to becomes unaccessable.

tim99 · June 2020

Onigar wrote: »

With so many Lorebooks now in the game it has got to be very hard for devs to make sure books are available.

One way, with the backdoor access they must have into the game could be to create a number of accounts and run them as bots.

For the zos bots they can give them permanent invisibility so there is no issue of interaction with npc's and can loop round a zone including delves, dungeons etc to check for lorebooks. Note: for quests, dungeons and trials, creating your own portals to bypass boss unlocking of further content would also be under your control.

When the landscape height is moved for instance a lorebook may be inadvertently hidden. We see this effect with craft resource nodes which may be above or below the ground level and we only can see the below ground because of the Eye passive.

Only when a landscape/structural or other change is made to a zone would these zos bots need to be re-run.

Then this leaves the lorebooks that are received as part of quests. As they sit in your inventory from initial receipt they are effectively unread.

I suggest for this condition that on completion of the quest they remain in the quest inventory but at all times they are given a suitable highlight to indicate they still need to be read.

This would overcome any issue with a quest specific lorebook being lost before being read.

I hope this is noticed and if nothing from my suggestions is used please know it is very very frustrating to try and 100% complete the lorebook collection with the way the game is working against such a goal.

Thanks

Way too complicated. Brian created once a list of bugged which was very clear and also had comments on how they are bugged. He basically did all your bots work multiple times on PTS to make sure the list has always a correct status.
It was mentioned here in forum, on reddit and on twitch in streams.
It was just completely ignored.