Were you playing solo, in a PUG or with established groups.

As these kind of builds from other groups are strong against unorganized groups but organised groups of players will normally have some level of skill or communication to break them.

Basically, you're only going to get replies of:

"Don't go into battlegrounds without a premade group that has a form of communication."

That's the reality of it. Even in Cyrodiil- a six man group can easily wipe a large group of PUGs. Communication and tactics are key.

You can beat those groups while solo queuing. It's not about fighting them head on you'll lose. Just be faster than them kite them out when they are chasing you and steal their kills when they aren't.

You also seem to think a lot of people in each group are healers which is concerning. Everyone in a small group setting should be healing each other.

EkojiRone wrote: »

Sorry if this seems like more of a gripe then anything.. But today I was first in battlegrounds where a single werewolf and an army of healers wiped out both teams.. over and over.. there was nothing we could do to stop the situation and it got overly frustrating.. there I can see is something tactical about putting together an situation where all you do is zerg ball around killing everyone and healing.. But that is not what I think of as fun..

Another similar situation was in IC.. where a group of 3 healers.. continued to just heal and shield each other.. building ult then bombing everyone.. I'm sorry its a very cheezy comp. I think this game needs to come up with something to help these situations. "Let's make PVP fun again."

At this point, I'm dreading the next event and I'm completely put off by what is going in PVP.

Was your gear your current level and upgraded/enchanted? Did you have any full set bonuses with your gear? Did your team communicate and work together, or split up in run around? These are things that can determine whether or not you'll do well in battlegrounds.

I'd hate to come across a competent group like that if I was in a PUG, but then again, they're playing the game as intended, so I can't complain. Battlegrounds is meant to be played with some strategy and teamwork.

I think the issue in my head is. Other mmo’s there is an answer to how to fight something. In this case there are no guidelines of how to make an anti troll build or a build at all. Even how to team up. I feel zos may want to make a ingame pvp gear and skill helper also. No trolly group or super team is going to tell anyone how they are winning. But with that nobody can enjoy the fun. Aside from the event in Jan I don’t play pvp. It’s just not fun.

EkojiRone wrote: »

I played bg’s again today had way more fun. I think the matching system needs work. At times it was great I felt like both team were even other times.. no way in hell they weren’t on coms. I get it organizing and practicing is needed in war games. However there should be playable groups for those not as *** with gameplay and not on coms. I feel the two still get mixed.

Yeah if you have a full group of friends you should be matched with other full groups of friends
If you qued solo you should be matched with other solo players.

StarOfElyon wrote: »

It's the organized groups who probably run trials and get the most powerful gear that make BG really unfun sometimes.

The gear from trials is trash for pvp, anyone in pve gear is gonna get smoked by someone in a dedicated pvp setup.

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

It's the organized groups who probably run trials and get the most powerful gear that make BG really unfun sometimes.

The gear from trials is trash for pvp, anyone in pve gear is gonna get smoked by someone in a dedicated pvp setup.

Why do people tell me to get monster sets then. Don't they come from trials? I've never had a group to do one in.

Monster sets drop in 4-man dungeons. There’s also a vendor in cyrodiil with a rotating stock of monster sets that she sells for alliance points.

"Monster sets drop in 4-man dungeons. There’s also a vendor in cyrodiil with a rotating stock of monster sets that she sells for alliance points."

^^^

Also, the 4 man dungeons can be queued into from the Activity Finder, so you don't have to have a pre-made group for that. It makes one for you based on stated roles, and you just have to cross your fingers and hope you got a good group.

EkojiRone wrote: »

I just find it funny that the game has such a different in play styles and nothing to help with the builds. Something you think they would think about.

xynodegaming and alcast, just to name 2.

Healing is totally outta control in this game, the games evolution of stat management(as in it no longer exists) allows for unlimited use of healing. Cp's have had, In my opinion, a negative impact on the balance of the game.

The best way to counter healing nowadays is a 1-2 second animation cancelled combo that kills them before they can heal. But that means the game is either super heal of super kill. There used to be a time where heavy macro's didn't give players any real advantage, a good sustain build can hold out for a few and then beat the tired player down. Now because of massive stat pools, regen, and reduction cost they are free to macro and/or heal all day and night.

So to counter the massive macro use we now have crazy stupid heals that can heal through a full combo...but what if you don't use cheater ass macro's to exploit poorly coded mechanics? What if I like to see my abilities and I like (or used to) to be able to react to the other player but seeing what they did? Your better off staring at your own stat bars than watching the other player, all you need to do is keep the targeting receptacle lined up.

Now ESO has never been perfect and some of the improvements could have really made this game one of the greatest...but I feel it's developed a cancer that has infiltrated the whole system and cannot be cleansed without addressing the core issues with the game. (fix movement, add acceleration and remove the ability to reverse on a dime and sidestep like a mongoose).

Until that is done, every update simply moves the issues elsewhere to be argued about on the forums.

Nothing to help with the builds the OP says... he wants help... it’s not fair...
1) ESO has decent community of youtubers who put out the most meta builds every patch.
2) The reason there is such a die hard community of pvpers despite the issues with the game is because unlike other games, if you know your class and how to play... you can make anything work and that’s challenging and exciting.
3) Make friends that know more than you. Learn all you can. Rinse and repeat. Oh and play with them and learn how they play so you can be an effective team. I know some awesome duelers, all better than me, put them on a team together and put them against me and 2 of my friends who are mediocre at dueling and we beat them most the time.

yeah, the thing that kill pvp is the small scale turtle build.
they couldnt kill you 1v1 and you only have a small chance to kill them.
it become more *** when theese kinda gameplay grouping with the exact kinda gameplay.
the only thing they can do is 3v1 with ulti dump while turtling.

defend stats more rewarding than offensive stats

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

EkojiRone wrote: »

I just find it funny that the game has such a different in play styles and nothing to help with the builds. Something you think they would think about.

xynodegaming and alcast, just to name 2.

The problem that I find with a lot of these youtube builds is that they give you end game builds. They show golded out equipment, foods, and potions that most people don't have access to. These are things that have to be worked up to. So they don't do anything for someone who is trying to make it at the level that they're at.

I think more youtube channels should simply show people how to get the most out of their characters, not say "if you build this kind of character, and get all of this equipment and food at the highest levels you can nuke people to next year".

The people he listed literally do not show that. Neither alcast or Xynode have min maxed incredibly effective builds. And idk about Xynode but Alcasts builds come with multiple options.

You cant wear non set white gear and be effective. You can't wear a PvE setup and be effective. Some of the best sets for starting PvP are crafted and overland. Most of the best monster sets come out of the easiest dungeons.

Gold weapons are the only thing that makes a significant difference in the effectiveness of your build.

The things you listed dont let you nuke people. Being familiar with your own build and spending time learning to play with it and maximize its effectiveness do.