Spell Crafting Means Nothing Unless We Get More Bar Slots

Seraphayel · January 2019

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh, my fault on the derail. Sorry. I just have no idea about consoles at all. I bought my first PC in 1984 - never had any use for consoles....

Nothing to worry about. I'd queue up right with you for more skill slots if ESO+ included one of those new snazzy razor keyboard and mouse for xbox1!

Well, that would be totally great! We can hope, right?

No, not really. There won't be more slots in the future. Don't expect it to come as it wouldn't make much sense. 5+1 slots was a design choice that's fundamentally attached to this game.

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Making use of the "arrow buttons" on any controller is a pain. It's barely working for weapon swap, that's already very, very clunky. And you want to place skills on them for a regular use? No way.

Actually controllers are not that limited, FFXIV can place what, 30, 40 skills at once on the controller. ESO could do something similar if they wanted to but there is simply not the desire to change the 5+1 design.

idk · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

500+ combinations to create yet only 10 normal abilities and 2 ultimates to slot are not enough. Expand both bars or give us a 3rd bar like sorcerers had specifically for spell crafted skills.

You, we, do not know how spell casting would be added. It seems silly to complain about something when we had absolutely no clue about it.

It is even more odd suggesting how it should be handled when without a clue. I am pretty sure OP does not know what they are talking about here.

Elusiin · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

It's not a stretch, heres a physical copy sent to various stream team members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzSfWF48OsU

Also heres the one that the khajit held, https://www.twitch.tv/bethesda/clip/OpenDepressedCurlewKappa?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

Also the title of the bethesda stream was "tablets", and in the quakecon video the way you get spell crafting is by finding and inscribing various tablets. Also notice the tablet is broken, in the video he says that you'll need to find parts of each tablet typically 2 or 3 pieces and put them together.

Omg so hard to fight back the hype train... I want to believe so bad...

FakeFox · January 2019

If you want a MMO with 10^X buttons go play WoW or something, honestly.

MajBludd · January 2019

Why has a necromancer and several other items been data mined, but I have yet to see one piece about spellcrafting. Wouldn't they have data mined that as well?

Faulgor · January 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

Why has a necromancer and several other items been data mined, but I have yet to see one piece about spellcrafting. Wouldn't they have data mined that as well?

There's actually more data mined stuff about spellcrafting than necromancers, but it's from last year or older.

Finviuswe · January 2019

He's got a point

MajBludd · January 2019

Yes, they also said they were pretty much scrapping spell crafting a few years back.

If they make it, it will probably be similar to how poisons work. Add it in place of enchants, etc.

If anything hasn't been recently data mined, I would be really surprised to see it at all.

I guess we will all know soon enough. Hopefully, they do come through with it for those that would like to see it.

Na0cho · January 2019

If they added spellcrafting with new slots, wouldn’t 99% of people just make passive bonuses? The power creep would get insane if everyone could slot free major berserk/prophecy/brutality/protection etc etc.

I suppose that would open up some slots on your bar for other skills since some wouldnt be mandatory now, however I personally don’t see this being good for the game.

TimeDazzler · January 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

OR dont add spellcrafting.

It's coming with Elsweyr so you might as well embrace it and try to make it meaningful by having extra bar space.

How can you tell? I see no patch notes anywhere. Got me confused. Can you predict the future?

Silly.

We'll find out on the 15th.

Dreyloch wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

It's not a stretch, heres a physical copy sent to various stream team members.

You're very right here. It's not a stretch at all. In fact, I've been theory crafting for a while in various threads that there is evidence Spellcrafting is the this year's big new mechanic, even before those tablets were sent out. But all of that evidence can just as easily be only pointing towards Dragons and Necromancers, which are already verified by the datamining and ZOS's responses.

However, I feel it's not right for threads to outright state Spelllcrafting is coming as that can very easily be wrong (and at this point, most likely is wrong).

We'll find out for sure on the twitch stream coming this Tuesday. For the time being lets just assume the premise of this thread is true and spell crafting is coming, then don't you think we need more bar space? People always slot the same abilities because there is no room for diversity with the current 10 slots 2 ultimates. If there was 14 slots 2 ultimates, with the new 4 specifically only for spell crafted skills I think people would come up with pretty unique stuff and hopefully keep it to themselves so it doesn't become meta.

Here's the simplest way to respond to this.... Console game pads. There simply aren't enough buttons for those players to utilize 14 slots. I actually have a few sorcs, and tbh, I hated the third bar. It was clumsy and in the fast pace of PvP, it usually didn't work well enough to warrant it's use. Very few players were any good with it. I would love to see spellcrafting, don't get me wrong. Just don't think they'll make any UI changes for extra buttons.

Thats why we could also just have a spell crafting bar that consists of 5 slottable spellcrafted abilities and a spellcrafted ultimate. Would only need to add one additional keybind and then everything else is the same as those abilities just take the keybinds of the others since you bar swapped.

josiahva · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

It's not a stretch, heres a physical copy sent to various stream team members.

You're very right here. It's not a stretch at all. In fact, I've been theory crafting for a while in various threads that there is evidence Spellcrafting is the this year's big new mechanic, even before those tablets were sent out. But all of that evidence can just as easily be only pointing towards Dragons and Necromancers, which are already verified by the datamining and ZOS's responses.

However, I feel it's not right for threads to outright state Spelllcrafting is coming as that can very easily be wrong (and at this point, most likely is wrong).

We'll find out for sure on the twitch stream coming this Tuesday. For the time being lets just assume the premise of this thread is true and spell crafting is coming, then don't you think we need more bar space? People always slot the same abilities because there is no room for diversity with the current 10 slots 2 ultimates. If there was 14 slots 2 ultimates, with the new 4 specifically only for spell crafted skills I think people would come up with pretty unique stuff and hopefully keep it to themselves so it doesn't become meta.

I play with a controller, we have enough slots...if you want to cycle through more abilities, add a 3rd bar, but honestly, more slots isnt going to help anything...more slots doesnt add diversity, it just makes rotations harder to manage....when you build a character your diversity comes from your selected abilities...more slots would make your character MORE generic, not less.

ZonasArch · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

OR dont add spellcrafting.

It's coming with Elsweyr so you might as well embrace it and try to make it meaningful by having extra bar space.

How can you tell? I see no patch notes anywhere. Got me confused. Can you predict the future?

Silly.

We'll find out on the 15th.

Dreyloch wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

It's not a stretch, heres a physical copy sent to various stream team members.

You're very right here. It's not a stretch at all. In fact, I've been theory crafting for a while in various threads that there is evidence Spellcrafting is the this year's big new mechanic, even before those tablets were sent out. But all of that evidence can just as easily be only pointing towards Dragons and Necromancers, which are already verified by the datamining and ZOS's responses.

However, I feel it's not right for threads to outright state Spelllcrafting is coming as that can very easily be wrong (and at this point, most likely is wrong).

We'll find out for sure on the twitch stream coming this Tuesday. For the time being lets just assume the premise of this thread is true and spell crafting is coming, then don't you think we need more bar space? People always slot the same abilities because there is no room for diversity with the current 10 slots 2 ultimates. If there was 14 slots 2 ultimates, with the new 4 specifically only for spell crafted skills I think people would come up with pretty unique stuff and hopefully keep it to themselves so it doesn't become meta.

Here's the simplest way to respond to this.... Console game pads. There simply aren't enough buttons for those players to utilize 14 slots. I actually have a few sorcs, and tbh, I hated the third bar. It was clumsy and in the fast pace of PvP, it usually didn't work well enough to warrant it's use. Very few players were any good with it. I would love to see spellcrafting, don't get me wrong. Just don't think they'll make any UI changes for extra buttons.

Thats why we could also just have a spell crafting bar that consists of 5 slottable spellcrafted abilities and a spellcrafted ultimate. Would only need to add one additional keybind and then everything else is the same as those abilities just take the keybinds of the others since you bar swapped.

I'm so glad you agree with me you don't have any idea what you're talking about. We will find out on the 15th. Before then, you are 100% factually ignorant just as I am.

For the funsies of it, I hope you're good at this guessing the future because spellcrafting as a consumable on CD would be freaking awesome!

kathandira · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

500+ combinations to create yet only 10 normal abilities and 2 ultimates to slot are not enough. Expand both bars or give us a 3rd bar like sorcerers had specifically for spell crafted skills.

You are assuming Spell Crafting means additional Skills. A mighty assumption that I have my doubts about.

I foresee this as a new way to alter the existing skills.

kathandira · January 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

OR dont add spellcrafting.

It's coming with Elsweyr so you might as well embrace it and try to make it meaningful by having extra bar space.

What's the evidence that it's coming?

No Evidence At All.

People see the tablet in the trailer and are associating it with a tablet which was shown in a QuakeCon announcement when they were considering Spell Crafting for the game.

If you look at them, do honestly look similar in that they are tablets with runes, but the runes themselves look very different.

SugaComa · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

500+ combinations to create yet only 10 normal abilities and 2 ultimates to slot are not enough. Expand both bars or give us a 3rd bar like sorcerers had specifically for spell crafted skills.

And how do you make that happen on console with our limitations ... I mean let's be honest here console should really be the focus for the games development as pc players will be gone once other MMOs start popping up later this year

Ackwalan · January 2019

Until spellcrafting hits PTS, this is just speculation. No point in worrying about something that we don't have the details about.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

OR dont add spellcrafting.

It's coming with Elsweyr so you might as well embrace it and try to make it meaningful by having extra bar space.

Spellcrafting is a dead horse, it’s 2019, it’s not going to be added, and Necromancy is already data-mined.

Kuramas9tails · January 2019

How would you add more slots for console players? We only have so many buttons.

Seraphayel · January 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

How would you add more slots for console players? We only have so many buttons.

It's honestly a non-issue if ZOS would want to do it. FFXIV makes us handle 20-30 skills at once and it works out quite well.

bardx86 · January 2019

We don't need more slots. Having just a few slots is one of the best features of this game. It makes having to make choices in your build important. Its way better than how that kiddie game WOW did it.