Shewolf075 wrote: »

Voting no. It's nice to level up from bottom to top to fully get to grasp a class, to understand the abilities and eventually fit into a build or playstyle. Having the option to change class off the bat would be convenient to some who already understand classes.

I would think with a class change, you would still need to level the class skills from zero. That seems a fair way to do it, with the ability to change your class and keep your character at their level, but they would still need to go through the process of unlocking all the skills on a new class.

Bekkael wrote: »

Shewolf075 wrote: »

Voting no. It's nice to level up from bottom to top to fully get to grasp a class, to understand the abilities and eventually fit into a build or playstyle. Having the option to change class off the bat would be convenient to some who already understand classes.

I would think with a class change, you would still need to level the class skills from zero. That seems a fair way to do it, with the ability to change your class and keep your character at their level, but they would still need to go through the process of unlocking all the skills on a new class.

That whole process would just seem very awkward for me, all your skills would be very low level going against the high tier content. I've levelled weapon skills from the start on max level characters and whilst the concept of having that freedom is fun and challenging, weapon skills are different from the basic bread and butter of your character which is your class.

I changed a stamsorc into a magsorc quite awhile ago which is complete regear and respec. The trick was to passively level up destro staff before changing. With a bit of thought, such a major character change like this or a class change can be done relatively smoothly. The beauty was retaining all the character's skill points, wayshrines and skill progression.

And changing from stamsorc to magsorc is really no bigger change than from stamsorc to stamblade or magsorc to magplar.

Yhea i got one main with the right name from 2016 (Forsaken Sin i lack imagination) and its only one i play ( i got a temp healer when needed) but that is about it.

I don't want to loose him i would love to be able to change him even if its 5k crown

i think people are missing the point its not about lv it ect ect its about attachment and sentimental reason why i don't wish to loose him but instead to change to another class.

If i lost the VMSA achievement / PVP ( i think people are concerned that you can get that title without doing it with new class you changed to) so be it i can get those but i can't get the name back and everything ive done from 2016 with him

Please add class token change

Shinshadow wrote: »

No class change tokens for this reason... That could easily become a pay to win situation where your original character's class becomes "broken" or stronger than any others, virtually forcing people into a paywall in order to stay competitive. Making it to where there are no class change tokens actually puts the light on problems so the developers have to do balancing and improvements so their game is more functional.

Developers should be more enticed into making all classes attractive choices versus nerfing a class so people buy tokens. Although your point makes sense, we don't have tokens and theyre still making weird decisions that force people to deal, reroll, or quit. If they add them, it will be deal, reroll, quit or change.

My orc would work better has something beside a night blade so sure

As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.

To answer your thread title, no I would not buy one. But that doesn't fully address all the points in the argument.

Overall, no I don't want them added either, or at the very least, if they are, make them cost! A lot! Like 10k crowns.

First of all, MMO's have become so dumbed down, easy, lazy, and simplified over the years, I'm not in support of progressing that trend even further.
Plus a class can be seen as a sum of life experience. In real life, you don't just wake up after being an Engineer for 20 years and decide to become a Doctor. No, you have to start over, go back to school, learn a new trade, start as an apprentice or rookie. You don't just whip out your token and POOF I am something else.

So if they are implemented, it ought to be a ton of crowns or a quest that takes maybe 6 months to finish.

Class change token is simply too powerful. A race change or other similar things that are already in game have a minimal impact. Race change is nice for RP'ers or min/maxers, but it's really a minimal impact on the game.

Who wants a new class released, only to have Trials and PvP flooded with maxed out Wardens or Necro's on the first day? That's just ridiculous.

And you know what would happen? The other kind of MMO thread. Boredom. There are two kinds of MMO posts. We aren't given enough, and we're bored cause there isn't enough to do. They release new classes as well as content to keep you, the player, busy. If they didn't you all would be on these forums in droves complaining how easy things are, not enough content, and you're bored. Video gamers are never happy, face it.

I rarely do forums but just today in 2 monutes most of what I see is not. "WOW a new class!! How cool!! Thank you ZOS!" I see "Booohoo do we get free character slots? Gimmie gimmie.

Pretty sad.

Nyteshade wrote: »

To answer your thread title, no I would not buy one. But that doesn't fully address all the points in the argument.

Overall, no I don't want them added either, or at the very least, if they are, make them cost! A lot! Like 10k crowns.

First of all, MMO's have become so dumbed down, easy, lazy, and simplified over the years, I'm not in support of progressing that trend even further.
Plus a class can be seen as a sum of life experience. In real life, you don't just wake up after being an Engineer for 20 years and decide to become a Doctor. No, you have to start over, go back to school, learn a new trade, start as an apprentice or rookie. You don't just whip out your token and POOF I am something else.

So if they are implemented, it ought to be a ton of crowns or a quest that takes maybe 6 months to finish.

Class change token is simply too powerful. A race change or other similar things that are already in game have a minimal impact. Race change is nice for RP'ers or min/maxers, but it's really a minimal impact on the game.

Who wants a new class released, only to have Trials and PvP flooded with maxed out Wardens or Necro's on the first day? That's just ridiculous.

And you know what would happen? The other kind of MMO thread. Boredom. There are two kinds of MMO posts. We aren't given enough, and we're bored cause there isn't enough to do. They release new classes as well as content to keep you, the player, busy. If they didn't you all would be on these forums in droves complaining how easy things are, not enough content, and you're bored. Video gamers are never happy, face it.

I rarely do forums but just today in 2 monutes most of what I see is not. "WOW a new class!! How cool!! Thank you ZOS!" I see "Booohoo do we get free character slots? Gimmie gimmie.

Pretty sad.

I have to agree/ disagree with you


"First of all, MMO's have become so dumbed down, easy, lazy, and simplified over the years, I'm not in support of progressing that trend even further."

True and this makes the gaming boring so you can understand why people don't want to go through all of that all over again for a new character and spend probably a year or so, of playing to get achievements and everything else to the same level as your main ( in my situation from 2016)

"Plus a class can be seen as a sum of life experience. In real life, you don't just wake up after being an Engineer for 20 years and decide to become a Doctor. No, you have to start over, go back to school, learn a new trade, start as an apprentice or rookie. You don't just whip out your token and POOF I am something else. "

Well for once this is a game and actually if you like to compare, its not a sum of life time experience because you choose the class at the beginning which locks you in it, real life experience would be say if we had spell crafting where you learn and choose and change and not just forget everything previously if you choose another profession as it is with class change.


"So if they are implemented, it ought to be a ton of crowns or a quest that takes maybe 6 months to finish."

Me personally if it was 10k crown i would still buy it because to me its about having the name of my favo toon and everything else ive done with him even if they remove VMSA or PVP titles. 6 month ? Sure if it gets me to keep the same character and gives me different quests im happy to agree with you on that


"Class change token is simply too powerful. A race change or other similar things that are already in game have a minimal impact. Race change is nice for RP'ers or min/maxers, but it's really a minimal impact on the game. "

But if they cost 10k or take 6 months as you mentioned why would you care? they spend 10k every time they change (maybe lock it for 3 months for change?) and still need to level up all of the skills again so.. i don't understand how would be too powerful.


"They release new classes as well as content to keep you, the player, busy."

umm no.. this is a biz decision because they look at the numbers statistics ect ( somebody else would know more about this)
but its not due to "our" benefits because there are many players who are tired of doing the same thing over and over and over and over again ( just look at the latest event honestly i had headache and had to put eso down for a while regarding doing the same thing over and over and over and over again for a small chance to get the life festival thingy to complete achievement ) for me personally it would keep me busy leveling up new skills for necro and figuring it out and theory crafting for months to come.

"Who wants a new class released, only to have Trials and PvP flooded with maxed out Wardens or Necro's on the first day? That's just ridiculous. "

and yet most people who are against the token change are saying " you can level it all up within few hr so easy don't be lazy ect" so....... you will see max necro within few hr of release and a grand overload within a few days anyway ( how long did it take 1st warden to become grand overload ?


"WOW a new class!! How cool!! Thank you ZOS!" I see "Booohoo do we get free character slots? Gimmie gimmie.

Agree with you, im soo dam excited if we get necro its the class that i always wanted but im heartbroken i play as my main from 2016 and its heart braking to leave him and start all over, if he had this option 2016 he would be necro from day one.

Odnoc wrote: »

As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.

This is the worst counter argument i could think of.

You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...

idk wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I think all players having completed Caldwell’s Gold on a character should unlock one class change token to that character as a reward for completing such a feat. If they monetize them, price it at 5000 Crowns and I won’t mind as much.

This is an amazing idea actually!!

The way I see it, it would alleviate the tension felt in the community by making people not be required to regrind their skill points and guild trees if they carried over to the new class chosen. People would still make alts and people with dedicated mains could have more of a choice in their end game experience.

There does not seem to be much tension at all. Since this thread clearly ignores the points of making good business sense then I can only take it as it is trying to create a false illusion of tension.

As long as the business model is ignored then this entire argument falls flat.

I’m referring to the many long boards where people can’t agree about account wide achievements and acknowledging that both sides have points and my suggestion offers something for everyone.

It still would not solve it. If you read the OP, starting with the title that is clear.

First and foremost this thread is about the new class which is clearly evident with the title. There is not mistake about that.

Second. while some items listed in the OP are rather secondary to irrelevant like crafting and warm fuzzy feelings some may have for a character, it is clear OP has also made this about achievements based on the list.

However, it is all for naught as this entire thread ignores the business aspect. Zos has made a business decision to not offer class change because they likely see an additional amount of revenues from alt characters created which likely pushes what the price point of class change past what would be expected to sell well enough.

Of course I am guessing as the specifics of the decision, but it is a fact that Zos already made a business decision on the matter. No one is this thread has even attempted to make a business argument which means they have not given Zos one shred to consider and until that happens there is no reason to think Zos will consider adding what is requested.

Can you blame people for being cautious about trying to understand why ZOS does things? Look how they hyped up Murkmire, then gave it away in daily rewards. Look at how they just redefined what convenience items are in the crown store, having decided to monetize participation in special content by confirming they will be selling event tickets in the store. I don’t know why ZOS wouldn’t want to sell the highest tier of respec’ing with a class change at a 5k price tag. Players would grind gold just to buy crowns to do that. ZOS makes money one way or the other.