Spellcrafting glyphs in the teaser, or something else?

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I'm just going to show some of the research I've been doing today on the glyph in the teaser, and let you decide if it's related to Spellcrafting or not.

Let's start with the teaser picture, specifically the one with the tablet pushed close together to see the glyph better:

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(And here's the full teaser image if you haven't seen it yet - ClassyKatie, a popular ESO Twitch streamer, got this in the mail a couple days ago from ZOS. ZOS has since retweeted it, so it's official)
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Indeed, my first thought was Spellcrafting, simply because I couldn't think of anything else, but just that alone didn't satisfy me, and I didn't want to get my hopes up like that so easily, so I checked a lot of symbols that it could be: Mage's guild, Psijjic, Elder Scrolls, etc. and nothing came up.

Then @ZunaRoath found that in an addon called Essential Housing Tools there is a feature called "FX" that lets you put up various effects in the house, some of them seem to be added by the author, but others seem to be drawn from the game files, and of those, one of them is completely identical to the glyph shown on the teaser tablet. I then used the addon myself, and here's a screenshot I took, rotated so that it matches the direction of the glyph on the tablet in the teaser.

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I can't seem to find that glyph anywhere else on the internet, but apparently it must have been in the gamefiles for awhile. It's listed as "Sigil, tablet" in the addon. A bit strange, actually, since there are no tablets in-game with that glyph on it, just the tablet in the teaser. Were the devs planning long beforehand to have the glyph tablet be a teaser, long enough that they had the glyph in the game files reference that tablet? Possibly, but there's another explanation, but I'll get into that later.

So, the glyph matches the one in the teaser. That doesn't mean it's Spellcrafting in any capacity alone, of course. I looked at some of the icons for the Spellcrafting glyphs shown back in 2014 and at first was disappointed with my findings, until I went and actually watched through the video where they show the tablets with the spells and the like. Here, I'll link the video, it's an interesting watch!

The Spellcrafting segment starts at about 53 minutes in: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk7LrLgRfg

If you watched the video, you'll know that the glyphs for each spell is different. Here are some various spell glyphs shown in the video:

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You'll notice that none of them match the glyph on the teaser tablet - but, since we know that the glyphs for each spell are different, perhaps the one on the teaser tablet is simply just a different spell than the ones shown in the quakecon video? The real question now is - do you think the glyph on the teaser tablet matches the "style" of the spellcrafting glyphs. I'm not quite certain, there seems to be a lot less circular designs in the glyphs, except for the first one, which is different for other reasons, and our teaser glyph doesn't have any script!

However, if you look at the second glyph - the flame atronach one, and look to the top right, you'll see a blank version of the glyph that looks a bit eroded. Perhaps then our teaser glyph just isn't complete, then?

Two last final pictures for you, and these are the ones that made me decide to make this thread. The doorway to the spell glyph room in the quakecon video.

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And a version of it that can be found in the FX feature on that addon to get a better look:

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Now, I don't know about you, but I would say that the door glyph definitely matches the style of the glyph on the teaser tablet. It's just missing the writing. It's not a perfect fit (but I did try putting the two over each other, and the writing of the door glyph, and the dividers, actually do line up pretty well with the teaser tablet glyph, but not the circle placement)

So, because of that, I'm starting to consider the possibility of Spellcrafting coming soon. I was a bit hesitant to come to this conclusion, due to the likelihood that it was scrapped once again for balancing issues, and especially because of an anonymous claim from a class representative who has spoken to Rob Garret a few months ago, who claimed to have heard from him that it was indeed scrapped again. Here's the screenshot:

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And yet, despite even that screenshot, seemingly insurmountible evidence that denies the possibility - I just can't seem to come to any other conclusion that has as much evidence to back it up, and consider this: they want us to speculate and "put the pieces together", right? So why would it be something that means absolutely nothing to us until the full reveal - if it's not something we can piece together. Spellcrafting is, because we have old information on it to compare to. I can't think of anything else that we could even begin to work out what it could mean otherwise. Maybe you can?

Oh, and that bit about the "Sigil, tablet" possibly referencing spellcrafting just from the name. Tablets are said to be quite involved in Spellcrafting from the quakecon videos. Tablets are where you find the spells, and what you use to recreate them, so the word tablet is pretty rooted in relevance to Spellcrafting just by itself.

Anyway, that's all I got. If it's not enough to convince you, then I hope it was at least an entertaining read!
Edited by Robo_Hobo on January 6, 2019 9:48AM
  • Nyladreas
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    What teaser?

    And it's likely just an art asset that's just being reused on something else l. There's no way in hell they'd add spellcrafting now if they don't want an utter balance nightmare.

    They can't even figure out the balance in current skills and effects.

    @Robo_Hobo
    Edited by Nyladreas on January 6, 2019 1:32AM
  • GrumpyDuckling
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    What teaser are you talking about?
  • Loves_guars
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    I don't think that spellcrafting the way we know it from TES has a place in a MMO where is already difficult to balance 5 classes. So I'm guessing that in any case that is just the symbol to summon the dragon break or something like that.

    @GrumpyDuckling @Nyladreas : he is talking about the twitter teaser, just this image :
    discussed in this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/451688/3-banners-war-future-content-tease/p1
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    Edited by Loves_guars on January 6, 2019 1:33AM
  • Robo_Hobo
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    @Nyladreas @GrumpyDuckling

    Ah, apologies. The teaser that was shown a day or so ago. A popular ESO twitch streamer, ClassyKatie got something in the mail from ZOS. They took a picture of it, here's the full picture:
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    ZOS has retweeted it too, so it's official.
    Edited by Robo_Hobo on January 6, 2019 1:34AM
  • WeerW3ir
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    I don't think that spellcrafting the way we know it from TES has a place in a MMO where is already difficult to balance 5 classes. So I'm guessing that in any case that is just the symbol to summon the dragon break or something like that.

    agree
    Edited by WeerW3ir on January 6, 2019 1:33AM
  • OtarTheMad
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    This teaser:

    It was mailed to this person.
  • DKsUnite
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    So I know that TES: Blades is coming out on mobile in 2019. Could they be releasing blades related things in eso at the same time to push the marketing for their new game?

    It would be an explanation for the dragon
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  • Nyladreas
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    Robo_Hobo wrote: »
    @Nyladreas @GrumpyDuckling

    Ah, apologies. The teaser that was shown a day or so ago. A popular ESO twitch streamer, ClassyKatie got something in the mail from ZOS. They took a picture of it, here's the full picture:
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    ZOS has retweeted it too, so it's official.

    Figures, I don't have Twitter. Thx @Robo_Hobo
  • Shawn_PT
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    What if the glyph is not as much a glyph as a stylized version of this?

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  • Robo_Hobo
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    @Shawn_PT

    Nice job noticing that!

    It does seem a bit similar, the dividers in the inner circle, but the outer circles seem pretty off, no matter how it's rotated. Still, it's a good direction to look into, maybe instead of a runic glyph, it's actually something on a map? It's worth considering. :smile:
  • templesus
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    That “anonymous person” who spoke with Rob Garrett was in fact a current Class Rep. It was no normal player. I’ll keep his identity anonymous however for his sake.
  • rafaelcsmaia
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    Considering the message is from abnur tharn (battlemage) linked with daedric entities, this could be merely an ilustation, nothing linked to new skills.

    Don't get me wrong tho, id love spellcrafting a LOT
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    Shawn_PT wrote: »
    What if the glyph is not as much a glyph as a stylized version of this?

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    What if the Imperial City was just founded and built in the style of a certain glyph required to steal the souls of every single citizen living within the walls? Perhaps to make the ultimate soul gem, capable of powering enchanted super weapons for the glory of the Empire?

    Wait, no. That would be silly.
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  • Cireous
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    There are so many ways we can connect this to Spellcrafting that it would be purposely deceiving on ZOS's part for this to not end up being true. They are definitely aware of how let down a lot of us were last year when they dumped all these Spellcrafting assets into the game before Summerset and, then, suprise, no Spellcrafting. Doing a tease like this... My god. I keep telling myself "It's just a dragon break, it's just a PVP thing. It's not Spellcrafting." But it's a tablet and a rune and everything Robo said above, and... God damn you ZOS. :unamused:

    I am really looking forward to seeing what the other creators who have Zenimax Mail on the way come up with. If everyone has distinctly different Spellcrafty-looking tablets, *** it, I'm going all in on Spellcrafting. If not, nope. Not this time. :expressionless: ... :confused:
  • starkerealm
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    templesus wrote: »
    That “anonymous person” who spoke with Rob Garrett was in fact a current Class Rep. It was no normal player. I’ll keep his identity anonymous however for his sake.

    It's @Checkmath. If it was before he was NDAed, it's fine.
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    Spell crafting would solve a lot of issues. We could give classes the diversity they want. I think the key is making it not easy. Let people truly have to worth to get the skill or even find out skill exists. Also it's less of a balance issue if not everyone has the still.
  • Faulgor
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    Rich Lambert's comment on this:
    Shawn_PT wrote: »
    What if the glyph is not as much a glyph as a stylized version of this?

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    One of those circles, on the lower right, is the Arcane University. Where you'd go in Oblivion to craft spells.
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  • ezio45
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Spell crafting would solve a lot of issues. We could give classes the diversity they want. I think the key is making it not easy. Let people truly have to worth to get the skill or even find out skill exists. Also it's less of a balance issue if not everyone has the still.

    got to disagree with you on this one tasear :/

    spell crafting actually would hurt class diversity. The more shared skills among the classes the less they matter. Personally I also think it, spell crafting is a stretch for zos balancing. Meaning they cant do it. Even with the original game with spellcrafting it was massively unbalanced. Spell crafting is either going to be so limited its disappointing and pointless or its gunna be a nightmare for balance.

    Its a cool idea but one that but cant work
  • Itzmichi
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    Maybe it's a powerful rune to revert eso back to year 1?🤔
    Here, have a chill pill 💊!
  • LukosCreyden
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    @Itsmichi that would be awful.
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  • opaj
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    I have to agree with @Nyladreas -- Even if we manage to connect this sigil to one that was previously shown for spellcrafting, it could very easily be art assets being repurposed.

    As to the claim that "they wouldn't use these assets if they didn't want us to connect it to spellcrafting," well, developers are fallible. Even if the creative director wants people to really dig into the clues, that won't necessarily be what every person on the team is keeping on the forefront of their mind, and saving resources by pulling art that was never actually used in the game could have been someone's big win for the week.

    That said, I will be ever hopeful for spellcrafting, balance be damned.
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  • ESO_Nightingale
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    Id hope for spell crafting. But skills that are raw. Much like warden skills. Boring. And with costs a bit more expensive than normal ones.
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  • Robo_Hobo
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    @templesus
    templesus wrote: »
    That “anonymous person” who spoke with Rob Garrett was in fact a current Class Rep. It was no normal player. I’ll keep his identity anonymous however for his sake.

    I'll add that they're a class rep in the post to further verify the claim.

    @opaj

    I don't know, I can accept that it could end up not being spellcrafting related, but I would doubt that it's simply asset reuse for the sake of asset reuse but nothing more. Whatever it ends up being, the symbol probably is something significant enough (or at least something that exists) that we can draw from now to speculate on, which is what they want us to do - rather than being completely irrelevant until the release or announcement. Otherwise, why even have the glyph there? If it's not supposed to mean anything to us now, but they go through the hassle of trying to make the rest of the picture cryptic and symbolic, breaking the dragon in half, etc, it would be quite strange.

    But I am open to other possibilities of what the glyph may be referring to, like the idea that maybe it's a location on a map instead. There are other things it can be, if not spellcrafting.
  • Robo_Hobo
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    @Faulgor

    Interesting. He could have responded to any of the speculations on his twitter, and he chose to respond to that one.
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    Lol bruh. lol. Good one, breh

  • Faulgor
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    Robo_Hobo wrote: »
    @Faulgor

    Interesting. He could have responded to any of the speculations on his twitter, and he chose to respond to that one.

    I thought so, too. If it isn't something related to spellcrafting, that's really mean of him.
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  • frostz417
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    Let’s do away with these ideas of spell crafting or necromancer classes because the game is already so pathetically lacking balance that spell crafting would just be a nightmare.
    Don’t even get me started on a necromancer class, the broken abilities it would have
  • Numerikuu
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    Imo it just looks like a glyph depicting the Aurbis.

    I...I just can't see spell crafting ever being a thing. It won't work in an MMO. Single player? Sure! MMO where skills need to be balanced? *** no, hence why it was pulled to begin with. However, if it ever does become a thing, it will be absolutely nowhere near what you imagine nor want it to be. It'll just be spell crafting in name only.
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    What if Spellcrafting is not what it used to be in 2014? What if it is something more related to our class, like an additional option to "morph" class skills (or all the other ones) and just redefine them?

    Honestly, I thought we'd get Spellcrafting last year after they put all the assets into the game. We just got Psijik.

    What are the devs even working on? No new system was applied to the game in more than a year. Jewelrycrafting is just a profession and not even an exciting one. There was nothing creative added to the game in the last year. So what if the devs are really working on Spellcrafting or a similar feature for quite a time now?
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