"You pull it, you tank it"

Dojohoda · January 2019

My favorite is when the fast deeps run ahead in the dungeons with gates that close once they aggro.

Usually the tank and healer are locked out and get to watch them die.

Sinolai · January 2019

I speedrun as tank.

felipeceles · January 2019

I agree. When i'm on my tank and theres some speedrun dps, i still help on mobs, since the other people still need me to tank.
On bosses, though, i really let that person die and only taunt boss after he/she's dead. Kinda hard to manage, though. Sometimes there are bosses that need DPS control (bosses in vMoS) and theres always the 1 DPS trying to burn the boss cause they just wanna do it quick zzzzzzzz

Taunky · January 2019

I find it disrespectful to pull a boss without allowing the tank to do so, especially if they aren't ready. 9 times out of 10 the tank is just going to be blamed anyway, so why not just take the extra few seconds out of your day to let the tank initiate the fight? If you're that eager to perform a speedrun, join a guild or run with friends.

kargen27 · January 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

How about the slow group with weak dps and you are the healer knowing you doing the lions share of the damage, YET group gets salty as you going ahead on their slow butts.....

PUGs need classification.

- I'm a first timer
- I'm here to run slow
- I'm here to run fast on xp scroll
- I'm here for gear

Etc etc stop all the fights.

You think queues are long now...

Basically if you are expecting a certain type of run to happen you need to do your random with a pre-formed group.

xan4silkb14_ESO · January 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

I"ll help up to a point.

If the DPS or heals (trust me, healers aren't innocent of this either) run ahead and start the fight without me I will still still run in and taunt things. I'm not one of those tanks who feels as if I always have to start the pull otherwise I have suffered some great wrong.

What I won't do though is run through pull after pull trying to do a "speed run". I had enough of that from Final Fantasy 14 and I'm not about to start doing that crap here. So I let the group know politely but firmly I'm not going to run through mobs. And if they have an issue with that - I"m more than happy to leave.

I feel like I'm finally getting to be a good tank, not great but good for the most part. I usually just do the 2 normal pledges and Imperial City Prison when it's up. Anyway, I do basically the same as you. I'll go taunt and CC once I catch up but I don't run through mobs. I do my usual tank thing when I get to the mobs and if someone is still rushing ahead they can either continue with out me or come back. They've always come back thus far, because while I suppose the ones that rush forward can probably solo many of the dungeons, its still quicker with the entire group.

Silver_Strider · January 2019

ZeroXFF wrote: »

The problem is, it's not always the one who pulls that ends up tanking, the mobs run back and attack random people who did nothing wrong. If not for that fact, I would follow this philosophy, but as it is, I take over as soon as I get there.

Pretty much this for me as well. Had this 1 Templar "Healer" that would run ahead of the group in vDirefrost, mobs would run past him to the rest of the group, so I'd be forced to tank anyway.

Aggro and NPC AI in this game is stupid AF.

Tholian1 · January 2019

Not a speed run guy, but I also don’t like standing there for an eternity waiting for the tank to decide they are going to start.

DeathStalker_X · January 2019

I *HATE* speed-runners/streamers period. IMHO, they are utterly useless and ruin the game for everyone else playing.

They should be relegated to solo-play only.

Ragnarock41 · January 2019

yes, but your poll is biased against speedrunning.

rumple9 · January 2019

"You pull it, you tank it",

I said that to my wife

kargen27 · January 2019

rumple9 wrote: »

"You pull it, you tank it",

I said that to my wife

And that's why you are now in the forums?

ArchMikem · January 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

I'm a tank. I'll do my job. However, if that speedrunner gets rekted before I get a chance to run up and poke........

This is standard operating procedure.

If they run ahead and get rekt before i can get to them, its their fault.

thefixerupper · January 2019

Totally fine if you want to speed run it. Just don't be a jerk if you die. DO NOT BLAME THE TANK OR HEALER! This is what makes me mad. If you pull something, you better know what your doing and be able to count on yourself and not anyone else being there.
Part of being in a organized group, is everyone has a job to do. If you skip past them and just pull stuff, be prepared to heal yourself and tank it yourself

thefixerupper · January 2019

Also.... don't complain in trials if tanks are bad. If you are pulling stuff in dungeons, you are taking away their learning experience for later on.

ArcaneBlue · January 2019

if it's a cocky lightning form sorc... ugh!

ccfeeling · January 2019

If the group is setup by speed run reason , I think it's better to explain this guy again , otherwise vote kick .

DoobZ69 · January 2019

When I tank a dungeon on my Sorcerer the people on Discord are yelling at me to wait for them to catch up.
When I tank on my DK the people run ahead of me all the time.
When I tank on my Warden I can sustain Stamina better than the DK and keep at a good pace ahead of the group, its a pretty good balance.
NB and Templar can barely tank so speed runs, especially in harder Vet dungeons, are a tough ask.

So 3 out of 5 classes, in my opinion, can do speed runs. One excels at it. So it depends on whom the group is made up of. Timestop is a bad substitute for Talons/Encase/Shards so the NB and Templar runs at a massive deficiency.

Generally I don't mind the players doing whatever the hell they want unless it results in us being slowed down or negatively impacted. For example a DPS who constantly pulls and dies results in "you tank, you die". As opposed to a DPS who pulls everything straight to the boss and we kill everything at once without much issue, this is fine. So it comes down to the individual and the group and the overall experience+result.

I'm still astounded by how the players in this game tolerate a 45 min dungeon queue wait. On my tank I literally get a PUG group pop within 30 seconds. Tired of arguing with the "tank reps" about this, they don't even want to acknowledge the problem. And yet here we are arguing about something as silly as a "speed run" etiquette. Mind blowing.

xxthir13enxx · January 2019

Does this have something to do with going blind if you pull too much?

DaveMoeDee · January 2019

Reverb wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Groupfinder = speedrunning for faster rewards.

Leveling group run = quest and clear, no matter time

Please stop mixing these. Stop begging for carries. If you want a slow run, make a full grp and que. The same as speedrunners do. We make a full grp in guilds and que for dungeon finder.

If you solo que, go with what you get and stop bitching.

But those are your definitions, you don’t get to make that choice for every groupfinder party you’re in. They could just as easily say to you “if you want a speedrun use your guilds. We want to loot every nook and cranny. You used the solo queue so go with what you got and quit bitching “.

People should play group activities to the group. If everyone is speedrunning you need to keep up. If everyone is lagging behind you, you should hang back and wait. If you need to do quest or an explanation of mechanics just ask. And if someone asks for quest or mechanics, don’t rush in and start the fight.

Yeah, their generalization is absurd. There was group finder before there was daily XP bonuses and before there were even pledges to run. The group find is to find a group. What the group does depends on the group.

DaveMoeDee · January 2019

NocturnalSonata wrote: »

Normal (non dlc) Dungeon PUG - No tank needed, most of them can be solo'd by one good DD or 2 mediocre ones. So unless you or someone in group is doing a quest, then there is no reason to play it slow. Always be respectful to the group dynamic though, so if someone is lagging behind then I slow down for them, so what if it takes an extra 5-10 mins, it is hardly a big deal.

Vet PUG - Tank dictates the speed, end of story. If they rush off like a monkey on speed, then that is their issue, im not gonna waste my stamina trying to keep up. When i do catch up then i will do what a tank does. But rest assured the fight would be much smoother if you just let a competent Tank dictate the fight and group things. In un-coordinated groups, Tanks seem to play the role of damage control more than anything else... oh look... the adds are all over the place, YAY! WTH, why on earth is the boss way over there?!... OH! i see you all wiped, LOL, watch me tank the boss solo for a few minutes before I actually decide to rez you... Oh i wiped too trying to rez you lot, whoops, nvm!

Normal (guild group) - i dont think i have ever done a random without it being a complete speed fest 4dd. Other than new alts that require quest. But no-one minds as it is through guild.

VET (Guild group) - there is an expectation that everyone is going to actually pay attention. I really do enjoy the times when the fights run smooth as it indicates everyone is pulling their weight, and challenging content can be enjoyed rather than being stressful.

TRIALS, ANY - Rushing ahead of tank... why on earth would you ever do this??????

As a tank, I can honestly say that there is no reason for a good DPS to wait for me in a vet base game dungeon. They can hold their own with most mobs. I am happy when people speed up runs since I'm only there for keys or for the random XP bonus.

Hotdog_23 · January 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

"You pull it, you tank it" is selfness in my opinion.

We all have a job to do and agro is the tanks main job above all.

For the most part a lot of use have run the same dungeons many times. No point in stopping to smell the roses. If someone says they are doing the quest then yes I will slow down and let them do it, even if they want to listen/read and take time to enjoy the quest as it maybe their first time doing it. If not then it's all hell is out run like the devil is on my back.

I expect everyone to do their job they queued for.

You mean of course except you. You joined a group and you are suppose to act as a part of the group. Running ahead and beginning the fight before all the members of the group are there is not being a part of the group. In fact your actions can be detrimental to the group. A stamina based player running ahead often leaves a magicka based player alone dealing with mobs the stam based character ignored on the way to the next boss. People don't join groups to be your cheerleaders. They join to fight along side the rest of the group. Do the job you queued for and stay with the group.

Uh..No

The trash come with because I aoe attack them and pull them with me. No matter if I am a magic or stam character. I cast rapids. I only expect the tank to take agro from the boss.

Lifemocker · January 2019

If I’m there, sure I’ll tank. If that one stam player runs too far ahead, dies and starts to blame others, he can find a new group.

Thannazzar · January 2019

My tank is a tough love dragon knight, he doesn't wear ebon (your health pool =your problem) and anyone who runs ahead and pulls agro keeps it.

idk · January 2019

First, I am smart enough to queue with a full group or near full group. If there is a DPS that is starting the pulls then that means the healer is in my group. Funny thing is we do not move slow so they are just playing the role of an idiot.

I have let those guys tank what they pull and tell the healer not to heal them. Let the guy die, taunt the boss and 3 man the fight. It generally pisses off the pug and creates some entertaining, yet totally meaningless dialogue from them but who cares.

I have had one become a jerk and we kicked him from the group just before the final boss. That person was a fake healer that was not doing much dps so we did not need them anyhow.

Protossyder · January 2019

Thannazzar wrote: »

My tank is a tough love dragon knight, he doesn't wear ebon (your health pool =your problem) and anyone who runs ahead and pulls agro keeps it.

And let me guess, not even Alkosh...

YamiKuruku · January 2019

If you think you need to run ahead of me because you have a bigger epeen then please, go and pull the mobs but don't think i will help you. Most of the time i will just walk past them.
Why should i try to stack the mess the people are doing? Emptying my ressources for a person that doesn't care about others?

It gets even worse when it's on a boss. Seriously, just solo this dungeon if you need no tank or healer.
Usually i just do the /sitchair emote or wait until the person is dead when they trigger the boss without anyone near them until i take the aggro again.

Call me arrogant, but this is no teamplay.
We are a team and when one person thinks they are better than the others i will let them feel how it is to be not.
Also i hate sprinting, depletes my stamin and rapids is not helpful, just annoying and telling me we are slow you stupidspeedrunningpersonyesiamlookingatyou

why is it so hard to wait one second so i can pull the mobs and stack them...

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · January 2019

I hate speed run guys, if they want to speed run just go on own, most norms can be done on own

Protossyder · January 2019

YamiKuruku wrote: »

If you think you need to run ahead of me because you have a bigger epeen then please, go and pull the mobs but don't think i will help you. Most of the time i will just walk past them.
Why should i try to stack the mess the people are doing? Emptying my ressources for a person that doesn't care about others?

It gets even worse when it's on a boss. Seriously, just solo this dungeon if you need no tank or healer.
Usually i just do the /sitchair emote or wait until the person is dead when they trigger the boss without anyone near them until i take the aggro again.

Call me arrogant, but this is no teamplay.
We are a team and when one person thinks they are better than the others i will let them feel how it is to be not.
Also i hate sprinting, depletes my stamin and rapids is not helpful, just annoying and telling me we are slow you stupidspeedrunningpersonyesiamlookingatyou

why is it so hard to wait one second so i can pull the mobs and stack them...

So childish...

YamiKuruku · January 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

So childish...

why is it childish

why should i care about the person pulling when they don't care about the rest of the group? i guess you are a speedrunner also, huh, running ahead of everyone
as a team we should work together, not against