Hey Magblades! How's Murkmire for you?

Iskiab · December 2018

Edit - meant further up for healthy offering.

Xvorg · December 2018

Iskiab wrote: »

Thing is the build is a glass canon that ends up being extremely tanky (in a sense) because of iceheart and crushing. It’s so reliant on that combination that under pressure it’s cloak - crushing - cloak - crushing etc and any break from those abilities means death.

What usually kills me is a cc where I die before undo fires (or I lack ultimate to use it), a Templar runs me down (by far the largest threat to the build), but usually I’m refreshing siphon and merciless. Cloak negates ground effects and dots (and people love using them) so lack of a cloak will mean more damage incoming then any rest ability I could use.

I’d like to add refreshing path but really the area is so small I don’t think it’s worth it. In my mind I’m tempted because I imagine some healing and run speed to help me escape, but I’m constantly moving in pvp. The archer who provides maim could be nice for another port too but not being able to use it while cc’d makes undo better.

Tried something similar some weeks ago... I didn't died but I didn't kill anything.

thankyourat · December 2018

WacArnold wrote: »

I went heavy armor with 2 damage sets its ok vs some people I have had success, but the downside is the balance for resources and damage. The average player will take good damage and its fine, but a long time player the fights are drawn out extremely long and I struggle for resources, and by that time they usually have backup. As of right now there is no way I can hold my own against 2 people that have any idea of how to fight. I have a lot of fine tuning to do to see what the best balance is damage/resource wise, however my options seem extremely limited in what I can accomplish with the mitigation I have to run. Very limited in bar space as well, I should be running siphoning but I just cant find the bar space for it.

Not a good patch to return to, but it is what it is i guess.

Iskiab wrote: »

I’ve been having success as a magblade but you’re dependent on a couple things:

Healing: your weakness is you’re too squishy. I personally run heavy fortified brass in all armor slots, eathgore monster, and bright throat weapons and jewellery. Cloak is a must, otherwise why bother playing a NB. Biggest weakness is lack of a defensive stun. Funnel health is garbage, I dont put it on my bar. Refreshing path, healthy offering and the fear trap are the only non-ultimates class skills I use. Time stop is great and always on my bar, the combination of NB and time stop will make sure your the most hated opponent so you NEED to gear like a tank and cloak under pressure.

Madglade dps: Asylum staff spamming crushing shock combined with ice heart is what saves the class. Then I run 5 bright throat and 3x transmutation (for the regen set bonus’). You’ll need regen in all jewellery too. The goal is to be able to cloak at will and indefinitely. You’ll also need concealed blade on your bar for faster stealth or Templars will be able to run you down too easily. Fear trap works well too, I’ve been messing around with inevitable detonation too but am undecided on whether it’s good or not. Crushing is mandatory because it hits 3x so it’s 3x the chance to proc Ice heart. Alternating cloak and crushing provides a ton of survivability. I’ve won some 1v2s and gotten kills against 3 but you’ll likely die.... eventually. My goal in these encounters is usually to tie up the other team in objective based BGs, cloak and NBs generate so much hate you need to use it to your advantage, people will often ignore objectives just to chase you down so use it to your advantage.

Have you been using this in Cp or just BGS? I completely agree with you concealed is a must. I really hate to use crushing because that dot on swallow soul is extremely crucial. Have you noticed a considerable difference in healing without it?

I run double damage sets in heavy armor and the sustain seams pretty decent. Are you casting heavy attacks. Heavy armor you have to change the way you play a bit and actively look for opportunities to add some heavy attacks into your rotation. My bar set up is merciless/elemental drain/fear/strife/inner light/death stroke. And back bar is mutegen/path/cloak/shade/cripple/resto ult or psijic ult. I use the malestrom resto that's why I use mutegen over healing ward.

What I did to help my mag sustain is I use clockwork citrus filet and I use tri glyphs on my big pieces of armor. The Stam is kind of low but with argonian and constitution the Stam sustain is enough to get by just don't roll dodge unless absolutely necessary. I encourage troll king as well for the monster set it's basically always active

WacArnold · December 2018

I think your right on the heavy attacks, my biggest weakness is rotation in not very good at keeping a set in stone rotation I run though, on that note I don't have a malestrom staff because that kind of pve with rotations and stuff is not my thing lol. But I think your absolutely right on heavy attacks that would make a big difference.

As for bars im running the exact same front bar as you, my back bar is a little different personally I hate potions for major sorcery so im running degeneration and using concealed for the speed. But honestly that is stuff that is not required as much as say path and cripple. I really really hated to get rid of cripple its such a good dot and I knew going into this setup it was not the best idea, but man I just cant get past the speed boost because I thought I would be relying on cloak so much to get away from stuff and it does work out pretty good but by no means the best choice. I dropped path though I know that it has a speed boost and a heal so its 2 birds with one stone on that, but the problem I had with it was that I moved around way to much for it. I found myself standing in it for 1 second maybe, im running mutegen in place of that. Oh yeah im running troll king I love that set so much lol.

Definitely going to work on the heavy attacks, I use them with the restro playing defense regaining resources but I need to get some destros worked into an offensive rotation.

Neloth · December 2018

Today I tried a heavy armor build (troll king, shackle and spell strategist), and it’s pretty good.

The only problematic 1vs1 is against magDKs, and ass will delay hurts. Nice that shade works again, though

WacArnold · December 2018

Neloth wrote: »

Today I tried a heavy armor build (troll king, shackle and spell strategist), and it’s pretty good.

The only problematic 1vs1 is against magDKs, and ass will delay hurts. Nice that shade works again, though

God I hate running into a DK, funny to poke at them and hide then watch them flex their one button magblade shutdown. Idk who gets more frustrated me because of wings or them because I wont fight them.

MaximumFrittata · December 2018

I'm still running the same gear I have been since Morrowind, and I would like to maintain it as long as I can. 5-1-1 light Shacklebreaker/Spinner/Skoria. Destro/Resto. Swallow soul, concealed weapon, assassin's will, cloak, inner light, soul harvest/ crippling grasp, piercing mark, degeneration, healing ward, flex spot, resto ult.

It's bad, but I think it's still the most fun for me to play. CCing someone is hard, I have to be cloaked and in melee range, and I never open with it. Assassin's will has had nerf after nerf despite having one of the most tedious prerequisites of any ability in the game. Crippling grasp no longer gives good in-combat mobility since the duration nerf. Piercing mark needs at least 2 more seconds of invisibility reveal. Shade is as buggy as always. I like the assassin playstyle, but I don't feel like I can do anything against many tankier targets without an effective assassin's will.

I can throw on caluurions and a destructive touch morph have easy cc and burst, but I really don't want to endorse that sort of build. It's easy in a way that is not fun at all, and even if it's not a good reason not to play it, we all know it makes the playstyle look bad.

ccmedaddy · December 2018

^ I get that you don't like the caluurions+flame reach playstyle but you are missing a destro ability on your front bar so you're losing out on 8% single target damage. Dropping Inner Light or Concealed Weapon for Flame Reach will solve your problem w/ lack of CC and give you more damage so maybe give it a chance?

brandonv516 · December 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I get that you don't like the caluurions+flame reach playstyle but you are missing a destro ability on your front bar so you're losing out on 8% single target damage. Dropping Inner Light or Concealed Weapon for Flame Reach will solve your problem w/ lack of CC and give you more damage so maybe give it a chance?

Gotta agree here. I also recently changed over to front bar Charged w/ Disease enchant, taking a tip from a recent Magsorc thread. Status effects are like almost guaranteed!

MaximumFrittata · December 2018

I don't really have a problem with a lack of CC, I think CC is too strong in general (because post break free cc immunity is a bit too short, and break free too costly in non-cp). I'm purposefully handicapping myself there. If I want a destro ability front bar I can always slot ele storm and throw soul harvest on back bar like I do in PvE, or ditch swallow soul for force pulse (but I like the ult gen from siphoning passive so I have better defile uptime with more frequent soul harvests).

The passive movespeed on concealed is too much fun to ditch, and I run 75 in thaumaturge (foregoing shattering blows and blessed) so in Vivec I get 10% extra damage on the soul harvest and assassin's will I follow up concealed with.

brandonv516 · December 2018

MaximumFrittata wrote: »

I don't really have a problem with a lack of CC, I think CC is too strong in general (because post break free cc immunity is a bit too short, and break free too costly in non-cp). I'm purposefully handicapping myself there. If I want a destro ability front bar I can always slot ele storm and throw soul harvest on back bar like I do in PvE, or ditch swallow soul for force pulse (but I like the ult gen from siphoning passive so I have better defile uptime with more frequent soul harvests).

The passive movespeed on concealed is too much fun to ditch, and I run 75 in thaumaturge (foregoing shattering blows and blessed) so in Vivec I get 10% extra damage on the soul harvest and assassin's will I follow up concealed with.

But why? We are already handicapped in most areas compared to other classes. No need to push the knife in deeper.

You ever considered backbar cloak/concealed? It leaves your front bar open for all damage if you can manage it.

Iskiab · December 2018

Imo concealed blade is a must. The issue is templars have a ton of aoe direct damage attacks.

Unless you’re faster than the Templar they will chase you with that aoe attack that heals then and you’ll be unable to cloak.

I have cloak on the front and back bar but I use it a lot. If you don’t use it more than other abilities you could get away with a back bar cloak, but I’m leery about putting a core ability on the back bar. Bar swopping can be interrupted or cancelled with cc.

I found the ultimate generation from swallow soul was pretty small in pve, do you guys find the same thing in pvp? The skill that gives ultimate in the siphoning tree is only every 4 seconds. Crippling is cast every 8 secs and siphoning strikes every 20. On paper in pve that means a loss of 4 ultimate every 20 seconds. In pvp I’m too focused on other things to pay attention.

Unfadingsilence · January 2019

https://youtu.be/ywVoaSArIQA

Over the last few days it's been fun

brandonv516 · January 2019

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ywVoaSArIQA

Over the last few days it's been fun

There's no question bomb-based NBs can be very successful. AP/Tel-Var events seduce even the biggest NB haters into creating this monster.

HowlKimchi · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Imo concealed blade is a must. The issue is templars have a ton of aoe direct damage attacks.

Unless you’re faster than the Templar they will chase you with that aoe attack that heals then and you’ll be unable to cloak.

I have cloak on the front and back bar but I use it a lot. If you don’t use it more than other abilities you could get away with a back bar cloak, but I’m leery about putting a core ability on the back bar. Bar swopping can be interrupted or cancelled with cc.

Walking through templars, cloaking, and then switching directions help. Also there is no reason to swap cloak on both bars since weapon swap animation cancelling is a thing...

mav1234 · January 2019

Hey ranged magblades, what monster sets are you guys having luck with this patch? I was thinking of just engine guardian or troll king... Or maybe something like Domihaus + Kena just for the extra stats...

mav1234 · January 2019

@HaruKamui Did you get a chance to record any of your mag blade gameplay over the holiday? Was very curious to see your build in action.

sadlythebest · January 2019

Have had some minor success with 2h/resto setup valkyn, 5pc impreg, 5pc spell strat frontbar, blackrose resto backbar.
Using dark cloak (healing morph) with the major vitality from blackrose resto is awesome!

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2019

kaithuzar wrote: »

Sure every once in a blue moon you run into a squish noob that you can melt when kena procs but typically everyone in Cyrodiil is tanking for days.

Everyone except mag sorc & some stamblades are running s&b

A short rundown of the fights/what other players are thinking when they kill me

Mag warden - tank tank tank (shimmering shield w/s&b)...permafrost & I’m dead
(Whether you can see permafrost is debatable), forward momentum nerf makes it difficult to get out of even w/13k stam

Magplar - oh did you incap/soul harvest me? I couldn’t tell because I’m an Argonian healbot w/disease resistance running s&b spamming breath of life; you’ll die to my radiant + skoria if my friends don’t zerg you first

Magdk - flap flap (like always) so sorry to hear about the agony change but guess what?! I can still meteor + fossilize you , but what am I saying leap works so much better! Oh shoot my skoria killed you instead #inevitable

Stam warden - you wut bro? Have some beetles with dawnbreaker & steel potato; you died so fast I don’t even remember you.

Magsorcs - we cried so much that they actually gave us a buff! I bet you’ll run out of resources before I do (spam shields, streak, full sustain build & still hits for 5k on every attack)...

Stam sorc - speed might suck but so do you trying to deal with bleeds & the largest persistent aoe in game #GoodLuckCloaking
I guarantee implosion is on the death recap

Stam nb - running 14k+ mag I can cloak just as good & still kill you w/multiple 10k snipes that hit at the exact same time

Other magblades - if I bring my dueling build into Cyrodiil I can guarantee 1 kill...

Stamplar isn’t on your list!!!

mav1234 · January 2019

sadlythebest wrote: »

Have had some minor success with 2h/resto setup valkyn, 5pc impreg, 5pc spell strat frontbar, blackrose resto backbar.
Using dark cloak (healing morph) with the major vitality from blackrose resto is awesome!

This sounds like a cool build. I need to get myself a BRP Resto! How are you keeping up enough dots to keep Valkyn running? I feel so cramped with bar space on my magblade, I find it hard to run the dots to make it worthwhile!

Datthaw · January 2019

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Sure every once in a blue moon you run into a squish noob that you can melt when kena procs but typically everyone in Cyrodiil is tanking for days.

Everyone except mag sorc & some stamblades are running s&b

A short rundown of the fights/what other players are thinking when they kill me

Mag warden - tank tank tank (shimmering shield w/s&b)...permafrost & I’m dead
(Whether you can see permafrost is debatable), forward momentum nerf makes it difficult to get out of even w/13k stam

Magplar - oh did you incap/soul harvest me? I couldn’t tell because I’m an Argonian healbot w/disease resistance running s&b spamming breath of life; you’ll die to my radiant + skoria if my friends don’t zerg you first

Magdk - flap flap (like always) so sorry to hear about the agony change but guess what?! I can still meteor + fossilize you , but what am I saying leap works so much better! Oh shoot my skoria killed you instead #inevitable

Stam warden - you wut bro? Have some beetles with dawnbreaker & steel potato; you died so fast I don’t even remember you.

Magsorcs - we cried so much that they actually gave us a buff! I bet you’ll run out of resources before I do (spam shields, streak, full sustain build & still hits for 5k on every attack)...

Stam sorc - speed might suck but so do you trying to deal with bleeds & the largest persistent aoe in game #GoodLuckCloaking
I guarantee implosion is on the death recap

Stam nb - running 14k+ mag I can cloak just as good & still kill you w/multiple 10k snipes that hit at the exact same time

Other magblades - if I bring my dueling build into Cyrodiil I can guarantee 1 kill...

Stamplar isn’t on your list!!!

I'll fix that

Stamplar - hey pleb, eat these bleeds while I jab you out of cloak and proc the hell out of this potl on you. Oh funny did you just cripple and shade? Let me purge that off like a boss and watch my potl blow you up.

brandonv516 · January 2019

Pirate Skeleton has worked great for BGs.

Considering how common it is to get Minor Defile applied to you anyways, it's not a bad trade off for Major Protection.

Use Temporal Guard on one bar also for stacking.

Hopefully some buffs for Magblade will be announced next patch!

thedude33 · January 2019

Definitely seeing a new trend with Magblades the past couple of weeks. Ive bumped into a few guys that are very good at hitting you a couple of times and restealthing. Rinse repeat until they grind you down.

I don't know if it's some kind of spell cancelling into cloak, but man they get into stealth fast.

kind_hero · January 2019

I played my nightblade as stamina for years, but last year changed to magicka.
It felt OK before Murkmire. After that it feels weaker.

Mobility should be a very important part of the magblade. The expedition nerfs hit pretty hard.

Also I think the class abilities should be more powerful, the ones related to magicka weapons, like impale or hidden blade. I like the idea of conjured / magic weapons. I would like to have some spectral daggers/bow instead of a staff, at least on one bar.

The shield nerf made room for certain tanky builds to compensate the nerf, which create a new meta. Now in pvp everyone is stacking resistances.

Calboy · January 2019

So I decided to jump on my melee magblade last night and I'm convinced it's the hardest class I've ever had to play. Seriously how do you guys survive? I've gone with a simple setup of 5h/2l seducer spinners and bloodspawn with backbar resto. If I haven't had a chance to position my shade I can survive briefly by spamming healing ward but snares just cripple me and I simply have no bar room after slotting what I consider essential magblade skills.

Bar one
Lotus, concealed, impale, merciless, fear
Bar two
Healing ward, shade, cloak, cripple, entropy

brandonv516 · January 2019

Calboy wrote: »

So I decided to jump on my melee magblade last night and I'm convinced it's the hardest class I've ever had to play. Seriously how do you guys survive? I've gone with a simple setup of 5h/2l seducer spinners and bloodspawn with backbar resto. If I haven't had a chance to position my shade I can survive briefly by spamming healing ward but snares just cripple me and I simply have no bar room after slotting what I consider essential magblade skills.

Bar one
Lotus, concealed, impale, merciless, fear
Bar two
Healing ward, shade, cloak, cripple, entropy

I'm convinced it's impossible to pull off melee Magblade this patch and be successful against more than 1 competent enemy. With so much AoE, you aren't going anywhere near a ball group either.

If you do play this build, you either have to sacrifice too much in healing (going 2H + Destro) or too much in damage (going 2H + Resto). It's quite unbalanced.

This is why players resort to Zaan / Caluurions / Sustain set (Lich, Seducer, Bright Throat) with usually 2H + Resto. It's cheap but effective.

Datthaw · January 2019

Ok so melee magnb. This is what I have come up with and it's like really dumb but it's kinda working believe it's or not. I'm desperate so trying anything. Don't laugh....

5 plague doctor, 5 spinners, 2 zaan vma resto (I have yet to farm blackrose) in 5 heavy. I use a ton of hots on back bar and just wait till it's proc that zaan. Bars go

Fb cripple, mercy, fear, concealed, lotus, incap
Bb ward ally, dark cloak, siphon strikes, refreshing path, rapid regen, resto ult.

This is kinda a desperation build to make dark cloak viable and I'm having mild success. It needs a ton of tweaking, and might be a complete flop in the end but for now it's what I have resorted to

Edit, thinking about changing spinner to spc because that pen doesn't help my hots

NightAngel690 · January 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

My dream Magblade build would be Balorg/Innate Axiom/Spell Strat, but my shoulder RNG is terrible. Not one Balorgh shoulder in months. So until then, I'll take the Bright Throat sustain over Axiom.

Try spinners and innate. I find the penetration from spinners is way better than the damage from spell strat. I do like spell strat in battlegrounds though. Since my toon is/was a pve tank, I run an argonian magblade with heavy innate, pirate skeleton/thurvokun or zaans...depending on the content....and spinners.

Torbschka · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Ok so melee magnb. This is what I have come up with and it's like really dumb but it's kinda working believe it's or not. I'm desperate so trying anything. Don't laugh....

5 plague doctor, 5 spinners, 2 zaan vma resto (I have yet to farm blackrose) in 5 heavy. I use a ton of hots on back bar and just wait till it's proc that zaan. Bars go

Fb cripple, mercy, fear, concealed, lotus, incap
Bb ward ally, dark cloak, siphon strikes, refreshing path, rapid regen, resto ult.

This is kinda a desperation build to make dark cloak viable and I'm having mild success. It needs a ton of tweaking, and might be a complete flop in the end but for now it's what I have resorted to

Edit, thinking about changing spinner to spc because that pen doesn't help my hots

One question, since I see this quite a lot nowadays.

What non-ultimate-hots of NB are still affected by spelldamage? Path - no? Strife - yes? Thats it, right? Dark cloak is entirely based about your HP and your Bonus to +x% Healing/Healing recieved, correct?

So actually u r speaking about rapid regen in ur build, cuz u dont even use strife, correct?

Datthaw · January 2019

Torbschka wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Ok so melee magnb. This is what I have come up with and it's like really dumb but it's kinda working believe it's or not. I'm desperate so trying anything. Don't laugh....

5 plague doctor, 5 spinners, 2 zaan vma resto (I have yet to farm blackrose) in 5 heavy. I use a ton of hots on back bar and just wait till it's proc that zaan. Bars go

Fb cripple, mercy, fear, concealed, lotus, incap
Bb ward ally, dark cloak, siphon strikes, refreshing path, rapid regen, resto ult.

This is kinda a desperation build to make dark cloak viable and I'm having mild success. It needs a ton of tweaking, and might be a complete flop in the end but for now it's what I have resorted to

Edit, thinking about changing spinner to spc because that pen doesn't help my hots

One question, since I see this quite a lot nowadays.

What non-ultimate-hots of NB are still affected by spelldamage? Path - no? Strife - yes? Thats it, right? Dark cloak is entirely based about your HP and your Bonus to +x% Healing/Healing recieved, correct?

So actually u r speaking about rapid regen in ur build, cuz u dont even use strife, correct?

From my understanding spell power effects all heals so it would in fact buff path and my resto ult the same as it buffs rapid regen. I could be 100% wrong but this is my understanding