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For PvE, Stamsorc or StamDK?

dueldragon
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I have a stamDK dps character, cp 191, but I'm wondering if I should create a stamsorc dps character? Is one better than the other?
  • dueldragon
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    Also: I'm following this build. https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/#content7

    I'm currently cp 191, but I still only have 13k health (with the health enchantment on the heavy armor with the beginner setup)

    Is this normal, for a build like this? By the end of it he has 16k health unbuffed

    My stamina is also currently only 26k. How the hell do these people get so much health AND stamina as DPS? How can you have at least 20k health but also 30k stamina and 4k weapon damage?
    Edited by dueldragon on November 9, 2018 8:01AM
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    There is a lot "better" can mean. Could you specify what you mean by it?
  • dueldragon
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    There is a lot "better" can mean. Could you specify what you mean by it?

    In trials, dungeons, and solo.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    That is still not specific. There is no real difference between Stam classes, they all get around the same DPS, ie 40-50k, 60k+ on the ultra high end, when geared right and played right, survivability is around the same too, when played right. It really is down to you, the player, on which you want to play. Personally, I say level another toon. No reason to just have 1. I have 10. One stam, one mag of each class and one of each race.

    dueldragon wrote: »
    Also: I'm following this build. https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/#content7

    I'm currently cp 191, but I still only have 13k health (with the health enchantment on the heavy armor with the beginner setup)

    Is this normal, for a build like this? By the end of it he has 16k health unbuffed

    My stamina is also currently only 26k. How the hell do these people get so much health AND stamina as DPS? How can you have at least 20k health but also 30k stamina and 4k weapon damage?

    Level appropriate food for health and stamina. You are using food right.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 9, 2018 10:39AM
  • Rexy18
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    Never played stamsorc, but stam DK recently got a nice sustain change where you can use Venom Claw as the spammable instead of the Psijic skill (in case you're not Redguard). DK also has a fully static and easy to learn rotation
  • jypcy
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    You’re also not at cp300 yet. You get attribute bonuses as you earn more cp, up to cp300 at which I think it’s 20% extra of each stat. Also yes, make sure you’re using food.

    As for the class itself, I haven’t used either build for a while but assuming not much has changed since I did, stamdk probably has the easier rotation but stamsorc has excellent survivability (especially if you slap on crit surge). Stamsorc also probably has better aoe damage with comparable single target capabilities, but might be a bit harder to sustain than stamdk.
  • Mister_DMC
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    Both are good, make another toon.
  • Loralai_907
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    I have both. I find that I am more comfortable on my stam sorc. But I'm behind the times on a lot of content. I just did normal MA on my stam sorc recently, for the first time. I had done part of it like 600 CP ago on my mDK and that was my only other attempt. I started soloing group dungeons on my stam sorc too. I don't know that I would necessarily want to on my stam DK. I took my stam DK out to Cyro when I first started in PvP, moved to my mDK for a while, and am now on my stam sorc. Out of the 3 I am liking my stam sorc the most. But then again, if I brought my stam DK back out there now, I might like it more now that I am more experienced in Cyro.

    The only real difference between the two comes down to the few class skills that you might want to use on them. Stam DK has the two poison damage skills and Dragon Leap. You have that Dragon's blood skill for self heals, but I always thought it was kind of meh. DK has a couple of other nice skills that I throw in, shields, Igneous Weapons.

    Stam sorc has Hurricane for damage, Dark Deal for regaining resources. And Bound Armaments for a shield. I throw Crit Surge on mine. Streak is another skill I see on stam sorcs.

    You are probably going to use the same weapons on both. I like DW and Bow on both. Some people swap in 2H.

    I think you should make a stam sorc, be patient while you ware waiting for the right skills to unlock, and then see if you like it.
    PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+
    Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts
  • PoseidonEvil
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    stamdk, because unless you can devise a way to sustain with a stamsorc, you wont hit high numbers in pve
    In-game ID: alchelvly
    Phixeon Maghi -- Breton Healer
    Harrow the Souleater -- Breton Necro Healer
    Krogyle dro-Smoketh -- Orc Stamdk
  • robpr
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    Stam DK has static, less forgiving rotations with very nice sustain now after the buff, but damage is not top chart. No comment on Stamsorcs, I only heard their sustain is worst in all stam classes.
  • PoseidonEvil
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    robpr wrote: »
    Stam DK has static, less forgiving rotations with very nice sustain now after the buff, but damage is not top chart. No comment on Stamsorcs, I only heard their sustain is worst in all stam classes.

    it is really bad. and in terms of stam i agree DKs arent up to par with like a NB or maybe even a warden now, but whats his name is hitting 61k with a stamdk so its not all bad. i cannot get away from the sustain they have. i love dks lol
    In-game ID: alchelvly
    Phixeon Maghi -- Breton Healer
    Harrow the Souleater -- Breton Necro Healer
    Krogyle dro-Smoketh -- Orc Stamdk
  • dueldragon
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    That is still not specific. There is no real difference between Stam classes, they all get around the same DPS, ie 40-50k, 60k+ on the ultra high end, when geared right and played right, survivability is around the same too, when played right. It really is down to you, the player, on which you want to play. Personally, I say level another toon. No reason to just have 1. I have 10. One stam, one mag of each class and one of each race.

    dueldragon wrote: »
    Also: I'm following this build. https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/#content7

    I'm currently cp 191, but I still only have 13k health (with the health enchantment on the heavy armor with the beginner setup)

    Is this normal, for a build like this? By the end of it he has 16k health unbuffed

    My stamina is also currently only 26k. How the hell do these people get so much health AND stamina as DPS? How can you have at least 20k health but also 30k stamina and 4k weapon damage?

    Level appropriate food for health and stamina. You are using food right.

    I swalloed my pride, wasted around 10k on food from guild store and my stats shot up to 32k stamina and 18k health. It's not the best, but I'm guessing it'll improve with CP level.

    And since a lot of you are telling me to make another toon, I have 4 toons. But it's just that most stamina builds use Redguards, and it's getting annoying to do the same DC quests again and again.

    Also the process of leveling is tiring, I just started another PvP focused character and I want to finish with that one before I jump into another.
    Edited by dueldragon on November 9, 2018 9:03PM
  • El_Borracho
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    I wish I could hit 60K+ with my stam DK. As far as I know, stamblades are still the top DD in the stamina line. I play with a stam DK and I like it. Again, he's not pulling 60K, but I can hit 30K on a bad day. While drunk. And without a vMA bow
    Edited by El_Borracho on November 9, 2018 10:00PM
  • Thorstienn
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    @dueldragon unless you are trying to absolute min/max, you can be whatever race you want: obviously a stamina race would be more beneficial in this case, but could still be a Breton if you so desired.

    Re stats, you realised food is one key, CP will be another, and finally undaunted Mettle passive will increase your stats again.

    To the question at hand; obviously you can go both (I have). DK is more visually interesting with animations though. Stamsoec is probably the most bland spec in the game as it's really only hurricane and weapon abilities. But that's stam in general really.

    Good luck with it.
  • Schattenfluegel
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    I know People, who hit 90k on Rhakotu with a Stamsorc - 84k Single....you need 100% perfect Support and 100% good Rotation for that. But it is possible to archive it. Sorc needs good Buffing :D

    Edited by Schattenfluegel on December 30, 2018 11:01AM
    Love my Stamsorc
  • kojou
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    All Stam DPS is roughly the same DPS rotation since most of the DoTs come from Weapon skills.

    NB is highest Single Target and sustain.

    Stam DK is also high single target but more tanky and has 7m on melee skills.

    Stam Sorc has high AoE and survivability with surge.

    Stam Warden has high AoE, tankiness, and sustain. (My favorite for this patch)

    Stam Templar has high AoE and group utility.

    I would recommend making one of each and see which ones you like. Getting to level 50 is pretty trivial, and you can always keep it as a storage alt if you hate it.
    Playing since beta...
  • IonicKai
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    dueldragon wrote: »
    Also: I'm following this build. https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/#content7

    I'm currently cp 191, but I still only have 13k health (with the health enchantment on the heavy armor with the beginner setup)

    Is this normal, for a build like this? By the end of it he has 16k health unbuffed

    My stamina is also currently only 26k. How the hell do these people get so much health AND stamina as DPS? How can you have at least 20k health but also 30k stamina and 4k weapon damage?

    This is definitely food if you are that far below. Alcasts guides always include what food and potions you will want to use for content although I recommend only using potions in trials and dlc dungeons during boss fights.
  • John_Falstaff
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    @kojou , sadly, the rotation for stam DK is marred by the fact that Trap is still 5m range, so it's not possible to keep at 7m during whole rotation.

    I would say sustain is still abysmal, if not for recent finding of Claw as spammable, it makes sustaining on sDK so much easier. With other spammables, non-Redguards may have issues sustaining, but then stamsorcs also aren't known for good sustain.

    My advice is to give stam DK a shot since you already have one. I'm really enjoying the class, even if it's not on top spot right now. For max stats: definitely look into food, those guides usually show stats with buff food applied.
  • ezio45
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    id say stamdk
  • Dreyfron
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    What about a Stamina Warden?
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    Stamina Nightblade
  • dueldragon
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    How did people find this post lol

    I went with a stamblade eventually. I may create a stamsorc later on. I'm using my stamdk for solo content.
  • dueldragon
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    IonicKai wrote: »
    dueldragon wrote: »
    Also: I'm following this build. https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/#content7

    I'm currently cp 191, but I still only have 13k health (with the health enchantment on the heavy armor with the beginner setup)

    Is this normal, for a build like this? By the end of it he has 16k health unbuffed

    My stamina is also currently only 26k. How the hell do these people get so much health AND stamina as DPS? How can you have at least 20k health but also 30k stamina and 4k weapon damage?

    This is definitely food if you are that far below. Alcasts guides always include what food and potions you will want to use for content although I recommend only using potions in trials and dlc dungeons during boss fights.

    Using food (Not dubious Camoran throne, something else I bought) I got up to 18k health and 32k stamina. I resetted my attributes, I had 9 points in health so I just put it all in stamina. With the sets I'm currently using (Until I can get the ones he recommends the most) I got up to 3600 weapon damage (buffed by igneous weapons)
    Edited by dueldragon on January 3, 2019 10:57PM
  • dueldragon
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    Ignore this
    Edited by dueldragon on January 3, 2019 10:56PM
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