Ahhh. Is this thread is about dueling and 1v1. Now I see the disconnect.

Is this "nerf cloak" argument solely for 1v1s, or is cloak over-performing in 1vX and group play?

WacArnold wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

A single cloak is not the issue. Its everything else that makes cloak OP.

Cloak, dodge roll, cloak, random miss, dodge roll, break LOS, cloak, teleport shade, fear, dodge roll, dodge roll, cloak

This

It becomes a pain behind a skilled player roll dodging but on a magblade it is completely acceptable and part of who a nightblade is.

Every class has an annoying trait about it man. But just because your tired of the fight being reset i dont think that is evidence of it being overpowered.

Nbs are skill heavy on damage not defense this is why cloak is the way it. Same could be said for sorcs with streak and shields. While dks and templars are skill heavy on defense thus they lack mobility and escape.

You know, when I play my mageblade, 99% of the time I'm killed by steelnado while cloaked.

To avoid an enemy using just cloak takes certain level of skill. To kill a cloak spammer just takes one of the strongest skills in the game.

idk wrote: »

Oh, no, I got you clear. You want cloak nerfed. There is no reason to start this thread if you did not. It is indefensible, especially in light of specific comments you have made, to say otherwise.

Please don‘t call the police, he just posted.

Trancestor wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Ahhh. Is this thread is about dueling and 1v1. Now I see the disconnect.

Is this "nerf cloak" argument solely for 1v1s, or is cloak over-performing in 1vX and group play?

It's over performing in xv1'ing like most stuff that are over performing are, trying to fight solo a nightblade that keeps cloaking whenever you get him low while his buddies spam damage and cc's at you and when you try to focus his buddies instead the nightblade comes out like the hero he is with full HP and incaps you and deals the most damage so you are forced to focus him back but he just starts spamming cloak again, is very fun. Not to mention the nightblades 20 meters away spamming snipe from cloak.

Slot steelnado, slot a detection pot

Profit

nty

Then don't complain. Do I make a post for every kid spamming steelnado that killes me when I'm cloaked? And spamming steelnado takes even less skill than spamming cloak.

It is not NBs fault to have a tool to kill while undetected, that's a feature, do we take away the feature to make everyone else comfortable or do we learn how to counter NBs?

Do we take away wings or do we realize that shock staff force pulse and melee shuts down wings?

Do we take away temps healing or do we try defile?

We already took shields from sorc, was that a solution?

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I feel like the biggest problem of cloak is that it's not fun to fight against. It's really frustrating for your opponent if you are using cloak effectively and I think that's why people are so annoyed with the skill.

I have no problem with cloak. But NB damage and CC needs some serious nerf. Very serious . 35K dps within 2 seconds is ridiculous . NB can have builds up to 7K+ weapon or spell damage , which is down right stupid. Only DKs , wardens with heavy armor meta can survive that ***.

What ZOs wants is every one run around with 35K+ resistance with good healing in DKs & wardens with seventh legion with 3.5K weapon damage and 7k penetration. Combine dawn-breaker at same time. Roll over entire map as immortals.
Now almost entire cyrodil population is DKs or wardens with some healers here and there.

Complete crap . Right now ZOs is full EP xenophobics only buff EP races and classes excluding wardens. See DK with lizards immortals even with 10+ mage sorcs. DK warden another immortals. Magicka NBs with Dark elf never nerfed or other dps classes buffed. All trials only magicka NB dps. Why cant buff other class DPS ? On duels top 10 its only Nbs , DKs and wardens. In Bgs I simply quit if I have light armor build in my team and opponents have 4 DKs or 4 Wardens or 4 NBs . Its simple waste of time.

Only aim of balance team is for EP to win all alliance wars ? Ok lets all play EP.

Who cares , Noob streamers want it to kill potatoes and self proclaim themselves as pros. Post murkmire *** entire cyrodil is tank mania.

Buffing ep races? Xenophobia? What the hell?! Dude buy the pack with all races all alliances it comes with a cool imperial lol but yeah at this height of the game I think is to late to complain about races from other alliances as ptw lol Is a must.

Trancestor wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Ahhh. Is this thread is about dueling and 1v1. Now I see the disconnect.

Is this "nerf cloak" argument solely for 1v1s, or is cloak over-performing in 1vX and group play?

It's over performing in xv1'ing like most stuff that are over performing are, trying to fight solo a nightblade that keeps cloaking whenever you get him low while his buddies spam damage and cc's at you and when you try to focus his buddies instead the nightblade comes out like the hero he is with full HP and incaps you and deals the most damage so you are forced to focus him back but he just starts spamming cloak again, is very fun. Not to mention the nightblades 20 meters away spamming snipe from cloak.

If you could indefinitely defend against, or even overcome this group of players BUT for that pesky NB, I think that's balanced. The NB can't kill you without them and they can't kill you without the cloaking night blade.

Xvorg wrote: »

Then don't complain. Do I make a post for every kid spamming steelnado that killes me when I'm cloaked? And spamming steelnado takes even less skill than spamming cloak.

It is not NBs fault to have a tool to kill while undetected, that's a feature, do we take away the feature to make everyone else comfortable or do we learn how to counter NBs?

Do we take away wings or do we realize that shock staff force pulse and melee shuts down wings?

Do we take away temps healing or do we try defile?

We already took shields from sorc, was that a solution?

It‘s just a mere feature if it is balance-breaking powerful, same as when runecage was a max range, unavoidable cc with a burst component right? Such fail adjustments of skills are okay if you lack the horizon to even have somewhat of a semblance for level playfield. Is NoT My FaULt ThAt iT iS OP.

You force miss the nado of a reactive player, you‘re out of range for his 2. attempt anyways.

Wings also offer counterplay to melee skills as they remove snares. They‘re never a wasted skillslot, force pulse oftenly is.

Heals aren‘t really the templars signature anymore it‘s purge and defile is not the counter to purge it is the counter to anything that survives by actively healing.

Sorcs are even more idiot proof than before. Shields are just as effective and if they‘re down, the HP are now protected by high resistances and impen, as b4 they would build around that.

Shut up, really.

Trancestor wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Ahhh. Is this thread is about dueling and 1v1. Now I see the disconnect.

Is this "nerf cloak" argument solely for 1v1s, or is cloak over-performing in 1vX and group play?

It's over performing in xv1'ing like most stuff that are over performing are, trying to fight solo a nightblade that keeps cloaking whenever you get him low while his buddies spam damage and cc's at you and when you try to focus his buddies instead the nightblade comes out like the hero he is with full HP and incaps you and deals the most damage so you are forced to focus him back but he just starts spamming cloak again, is very fun. Not to mention the nightblades 20 meters away spamming snipe from cloak.

Slot steelnado, slot a detection pot

Profit

nty

Then don't complain. Do I make a post for every kid spamming steelnado that killes me when I'm cloaked? And spamming steelnado takes even less skill than spamming cloak.

It is not NBs fault to have a tool to kill while undetected, that's a feature, do we take away the feature to make everyone else comfortable or do we learn how to counter NBs?

Do we take away wings or do we realize that shock staff force pulse and melee shuts down wings?

Do we take away temps healing or do we try defile?

We already took shields from sorc, was that a solution?

So basically you want there to be no build diversity in the game, every stam build has to use duel wield and be a spin2win tard, every mag build has to slot a shock staff and force pulse, f*** playing the game the way you like right? And all this to counter 2 specific skills, how about changing those 2 skills that are clearly over performing since it's so needed to fundamentally change your build to counter them, instead of telling everyone to change their builds and playstyles?

And sorc shields are actually stronger than ever, but maybe you wouldn't know that since all you play and care about is Nightblades?

Do you understand that you can't build to counter everything? You want to kill DKs? Then Nbs will prey on you. Do you want to shut down sorcs? Then Templars will be your nemesis. Do you want to shut down NBs? You can do it, but don't complain on DKs.

You can't build the uber build to kill them all. Sorry for being honest, but in this game one of the first lessons is learning to lose. You can't win all the fights. If you don't learn that, then the whole experience is even crappier (it is already crap with the lag).

@Aeridon

i agree with the nerfs you ask for, still they are 3 spells supposed to counter endless cloaking and none of them 3 is used nor needed to negate all benefits from cloak because of one single thing: AOE.
with a single aoe over time on your feet you can secure yourself from the nastiest combos, or you can spam some other to chase down someone who cloaks away.

Also, like for streak, you cant cloak when you have chaos ball/ relic/ scroll on you.

are dk unable to spam their reflecting scales or templars unable to heal themselves while they are carrying such items? i dont think so.

the main reason why nighblades mainly focus on doing damage, instead of mitigate incoming dmg and build like "stand in battle builds", is that they havent got enough tools in their kit to do so unless they wear a restoration staff.

when you have no shield, no instant self heal (be serious the healing from the second morph of the cloak is ridiculous, it does less than the dk self heal, and it does it overtime, the value also depend on your max health which makes it unefficient for dds) choices are very restricted. even defensive morphs of cloak has been erased.

the dot imunity was a (low?) solution for cloak not to instabreak each time someone uses it.

the cloak still breaks when the user deals direct dmg (so that it often happens that a proc uncloaks its user...).

for all the offensive sides it offers like 100% crit chance and 10%spell/weapon dmg , this is something you have to combo with. not really something that needs to be nerfed imo. with the 0.7s of global cooldown you barely have 2sec to cast a spell that'll crit, 1.5sec when you include the "travel time" of some spells.
also you sometimes get out of cloak when you throw your projectile (i.e. before it lands), making it not to benefit those bonuses since you're not "invisible" anymore when they land.

cloak benefits from all shadow skill line passive too, but you cannot seriously blame a spell to benefit from the skill-line passives can you?

again, i'll be glad to see dot doing damage while cloaked, and i may feel fine about having my healing reduced while cloakd (or not being targetable by my own healers), but i would love the skill to be perfectly working first, and not being uncloaked by every single aoe randomly casted on the ground, in the air or wherever.

they are skills to counter scales and reflects of all kind. they are called melee skill and they make you go into your opponent's best range.
skills to negate heals (or set procs), they use a spot but they do their job.
cloaks need to be countered by proper spells/gear (which already exists btw). not by any random aoe-spamer. the downside would be to slot/wear one of those instead of another skill/set/potion that would have other benefits.

a fix would be very welcomed, a straight nerf would be sad. like any other



P.S: the cloak is very powerfull against regular mobs in pve, even more in maelstrom: when they cant see you, mobs stop all of what they are doing like casting a snipe, healing another mob, casting any spell, which makes it a range-less and target-less interrupt

Aedrion wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

1st you don't get 10percent more dmg with cloak that is racial based, only kahjit and wood elf possess that capability, orc is not included , redguard or any other class and that is where I stopped reading... I could smell the bias and the l2p from a mile away, but oh well it saved me from that wall of text so I guess it was a good thing.

That 10% weapon dmg is a passive in the assassin skill line called Master Assassin.
Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while while you are Sneaking or invisible by 10%.
Increases the duration of stun from Sneak by 100%.

Don't comment when you don't know what you're talking about. It's embarrassing.

Well the one here embarrassing himself is you at the height of the game and still crying about cloak lol! But hey I made a mistake but I was not totally wrong kahjits and wood elves have an extra 10 percent also... I can give you over 20 counters to cloak and there is many threads about this subject already so why add more? There is nothing to discuss other than complain about it lol. Belive me I still think you are extremely biased and need to learn how to play if you can't handle a nb properly.
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Aedrion wrote: »

Since only a select few people are actually producing arguments - for which you have my thanks - to back up their claims and it seems hard to pinpoint whether or not cloak is too strong, let me ask another question.

A challenge, if you will.

Give me the name of another skill in ESO that offers the consistent protection, control, and combat potency that cloak does.
A skill that offers at least as many or more benefits than those I listed in the first post.

If that skill is another NB skill, you lose at life so don't pick from those lines.

Sure, here’s a list:
DK- wings
Sorc - streak
Templar - extended ritual
Warden - don’t know the class well enough to say, gate maybe?

5/5 for being a great troll post. Listing all the passives associated with the tree was a nice touch, as well as hyperbole like unlimited cloak for stam characters.

I’ll tell you what, your x class isn’t fun to me either. You have things that mitigate and EVEN do damage to me, this is ruining my fun while playing ESO. I believe we should make your x class lose all it’s mitigation and receive extra healing passives, then lose the ability to heal yourself, that way you’ll know what it’s like to play a NB.

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