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Tamriel Trade Centre - Fail on ZOS part
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is so much I don't understand about the Guild Traders. I did pick up Awesomestore for some kind of search but I must not be doing it right. Today I put in an item I was looking for ..a design recipe. Now, part of it is not know what category designs, recipes go into, but it was purple so I clicked purple and typed design into the text field. but then I still have to click through 22 pages of 'no items found' until eventually a page pops up with a few designs on it. If I had of know what category it was in, would i have been able to click less pages
AwesomeGuildStore cannot actually suppress items from the search result, so it only hides them. If you know the category something is in, that narrows it down.
Designs are under Consumables --> Recipes (and then AwesomeGuildStore gives you the option to select which types of recipes you want, ie Designs and Patterns, for example).
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daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I don't think it's lost its relevance and I didn't think it warranted a new thread.
I was looking for gear today for a newly-leveled character, and since it's bound-on-equip stuff I thought I'd try looking for good deals in Tamriel Trade Center. I searched for the parts I was after, ordered them by "last seen" so I'd get an idea if they were fresh listings, and went about trying to find them. Every single time a lower-priced piece had been listed, it was not available when I got to the guild trader. I'm talking listings not an hour old, in some cases only 10-15 minutes. All snatched up immediately. And of course certain popular guild traders had the same parts available, multiple listings by the same seller, at 3-4x the original price.
Look, I get it. It's fun to play the market. And it honestly didn't affect me because as many others I'm sitting on a few million gold pieces myself. What annoys me is what it does for the game as a whole.
ZOS allegedly went for the guild trader system to prevent a single marketplace that could be easily rigged. This (plus the terrible barebones guild store UI) makes looking for stuff without add-ons a huge pain. Yet it's trivial to crowd-source information from a vast number of guild traders, put it up on a website, and effectively create a de facto global auction house. We're getting the worst of both worlds: the inconvenience of separated traders and the market manipulation of the global auction house. Not only that, the system as it is essentially serves to facilitate the accumulation of huge amounts of gold by a few players, which drives inflation and prices newer or more casual players out of participating in the market.
I would be very interested to know what ZOS think about what I consider a dissonance between its stated goal of not having a global auction house and the fact that its APIs are used to effectively create one. Hopefully ZOS can see how damaging this is, and how inadequate the original UI is, and limit the ways you can aggregate and extract information from guild traders while also improving the UI for those who play without add-ons by choice or necessity (e.g. console users).8 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭I much prefer a central AH to this trader system. It's a waste of time to run all over trying to find what I want and at a decent price. TTC is fine and all but more often than not once I get to the trader it shows having what I'm after the item is already gone.Edited by Wildberryjack on December 27, 2018 6:18PMThe purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso9 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »I much prefer a central AH to this trader system. It's a waste of time to run all over trying to find what I want and at a decent price. TTC is fine and all but more often than not once I get to the trader it shows having what I'm after the item is already gone.
Agreed failed market from day 1 even though it was nice to try something new apart from every mmo, a centralized AH is always the best way to go in any mmo9 -
Nulami✭✭✭I was looking for gear today for a newly-leveled character, and since it's bound-on-equip stuff I thought I'd try looking for good deals in Tamriel Trade Center. I searched for the parts I was after, ordered them by "last seen" so I'd get an idea if they were fresh listings, and went about trying to find them. Every single time a lower-priced piece had been listed, it was not available when I got to the guild trader. I'm talking listings not an hour old, in some cases only 10-15 minutes. All snatched up immediately. And of course certain popular guild traders had the same parts available, multiple listings by the same seller, at 3-4x the original price.
I'm not sure how the times listed by TTC work. Is it by when you quit/reload the ui or when you actually scan a trader? Sometimes I have looked at a trader for specific items but don't log or reload the ui for a couple of hours. If TTC lists what I saw 2 hours ago as "Just now" when I log, that is a little misleading.1 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I don't think it's lost its relevance and I didn't think it warranted a new thread.
I was looking for gear today for a newly-leveled character, and since it's bound-on-equip stuff I thought I'd try looking for good deals in Tamriel Trade Center. I searched for the parts I was after, ordered them by "last seen" so I'd get an idea if they were fresh listings, and went about trying to find them. Every single time a lower-priced piece had been listed, it was not available when I got to the guild trader. I'm talking listings not an hour old, in some cases only 10-15 minutes. All snatched up immediately. And of course certain popular guild traders had the same parts available, multiple listings by the same seller, at 3-4x the original price.
Look, I get it. It's fun to play the market. And it honestly didn't affect me because as many others I'm sitting on a few million gold pieces myself. What annoys me is what it does for the game as a whole.
Just to make sure: did you select the right server for TTC to search on?1 -
OneKhajiitCrimeWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭TTC is useful to be sure, but it does allow market manipulation, just as Master Merchant does.
It also allows you to find and buy up the bargains of specific items and relist, much faster than on console.
On console we have to do the trader run and hit the traders almost day if you rely on flipping to turn high profits.
Put the effort in = get the bargains = make the flip = get the profits.
The only thing the base UI in game needs for console is a keyword search option.
I don’t want TTC or MM and central auction houses can go die in a fire.... played games with them before and we literally spent 75% of our game time staring at the auction page waiting for bargains that rarely came.
I love the free trade market that ZOS give us. Don't like that people try to circumvent it. We can keep that on PC.
Things like Combat Metrics should be standard, keyword search bars should. Trading addons and apps..... no thanksDark Flare is the Beginning, Radiant is the End. Hail the Light Bringers!3 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stop beating the dead horse on the global auction house...they could had done it from day 1 since its a lot easier but they wanted trading in eso to be different than the 92849238593854 mmos out there...1 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭All my best finds were just from wandering around. Best deal was 30g for a couple pages of Morag Tong at an out of way spot I only ever pass by when feeling some old roleplay nostalgia. Now way I would’ve found it depending on TTC, and most flippers probably don’t depending on it either, as they know it updates once the item is seen, which means whoever saw it might also be the one who bought it. TTC is a great tool, but one that doesn’t really fit into the world well enough to justify official implementation. Master Merchant would fit, as it only compiles data from your own personal guilds.
Awesome Guild Store should’ve been base game, and still needs to be implemented in an official sense.1 -
DirkRavenclaw✭✭✭✭All my best finds were just from wandering around. Best deal was 30g for a couple pages of Morag Tong at an out of way spot I only ever pass by when feeling some old roleplay nostalgia. Now way I would’ve found it depending on TTC, and most flippers probably don’t depending on it either, as they know it updates once the item is seen, which means whoever saw it might also be the one who bought it. TTC is a great tool, but one that doesn’t really fit into the world well enough to justify official implementation. Master Merchant would fit, as it only compiles data from your own personal guilds.
Awesome Guild Store should’ve been base game, and still needs to be implemented in an official sense.
I deleted Awesome Guildstore as i like the Basic from ZOS best, just saying, its good that we have addonsCouncil Member of AtWritsEnd, Member of LoneWolfeHelp, Donor of GhostSeaTradingCO., Factor of EastEmpireTradingCO.,HonourGuard of ´DominionImperialGuard(DIG/PVP)
Master Crafter including Jewelry, i craft for Mats and Donation, always happy to help, if Im not in the Middle of PVP, i play since around 14 Months0 -
Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭The entire economic system is a failure. It is obvious it was designed by someone that care nothing for economic game play and wants to keep all their toys. I believe they choose the worst system so that it would discourage players from the economic play they dislike.
Originally it was even worse as you were stuck to your alliance or you made a character in each to gain access. That barrier is gone with One Tamriel but the horrible system prevails. There has been nothing to update it to fit better into one world.
New players source of income in most mmo's comes from selling the overland items. Here that market is small so most quit trying pretty quickly because there is no item loss. Item degradation is needed for a healthy economy. Now I know I am never popular bringing this up, but it's true. I do think that top gear from Veteran Content needs to be near indestructible, with Overland gear the weakest. This would allow the those spoiled by this system to maintain they top toys but bring a more vibrant system.
Doubt we ever get a AH, best we can hope for is an update to having alliance based search for the sell/ purchase but require pickup in the zone. Only your guilds you belong to would you be able to buy at at bank and have delivered still without visiting the trader at some point. Alliance based as in the alliance the character belongs to, give some meaning back to the Alliance system.
This would not be perfect but it would be an improvement.4 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DirkRavenclaw wrote: »All my best finds were just from wandering around. Best deal was 30g for a couple pages of Morag Tong at an out of way spot I only ever pass by when feeling some old roleplay nostalgia. Now way I would’ve found it depending on TTC, and most flippers probably don’t depending on it either, as they know it updates once the item is seen, which means whoever saw it might also be the one who bought it. TTC is a great tool, but one that doesn’t really fit into the world well enough to justify official implementation. Master Merchant would fit, as it only compiles data from your own personal guilds.
Awesome Guild Store should’ve been base game, and still needs to be implemented in an official sense.
I deleted Awesome Guildstore as i like the Basic from ZOS best, just saying, its good that we have addons
Since they added some refinement to the search process it’s slightly better, but the base UI just plain lacks many feature that should be common sense to include. Things like Known/Unknown, a text search feature, and rarity tiers should be included.4 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭Necored thread is necored but I'll bite. The game is not designed around an auction house. TTC results are easily manipulated and they are. Having disjointed guild traders was intentional. Play another MMO and *** off our servers if you don't like it.0
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭A single unified UI for all trade auctions has been nicely implemented as Tamriel Trade Center (https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com)
I am sorry to say this but it is a pretty big fail on ZOS part not to have done this by themselves
When a third party is able to produce a such single unified UI for all the auctions why can't ZOS do it ?
In no way I am saying TTC is perfect because it relies on addons, community users etc but a third party is making a great effort why did ZOS not think of this ???
As of now only the fat cats who are part of the trading guild stores are screwing every other players by altering markets by themselves.
They work with Bethesda you know let the community fix the stuff and they just throw boxes to buy...2 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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@Xzien
You serious? lolAzraelKrieg wrote: »TTC is a big issue since it can be easily manipulated. And the reason why is ZOS wanted a simplified UI that addon developers could add to if they so wished.
TTC gets its pricings directly from the entirety of the guild traders in the game. The only way one could manipulate it is if they somehow managed to either A) hack the addon to ignore all those pricing being uploaded by dozens, if not hundreds, of people or
convinced the majority of sellers to change their item pricings to match what they want. Neither is going to happen in such a significant way that it'll affect TTC pricings.
Aehm, TTC has a web upload where anyone(!) can upload a TTC file and there's nothing preventing people from manually editing said file before uploading it. And even if that web upload didn't exist, one can easily tweak the SavedVariables file before the client.exe picks it up for upload.
So yes, @AzraelKrieg is very much correct ...
PS: Also, there *are* Necromancers in ESO!
Edited by SirAndy on December 27, 2018 8:50PM2 -
JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭personally i wish they would ban market mods like MM and TTC and let the economy and market figure itself out without those, because honestly they don't really make things easier.
idk i'd like to see the game without those mods able to be used.0 -
Kagukan✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use to like doing auction house buying and selling in other MMO's I have played. I avoid the ESO system as much as I can. It just isn't fun and more of a pain in the butt.6 -
MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »On console we have to do the trader run and hit the traders almost day if you rely on flipping to turn high profits.
Put the effort in = get the bargains = make the flip = get the profits.
The only thing the base UI in game needs for console is a keyword search option.
Trading addons and apps..... no thanks
Quoted for truth
I like the way it is now on ps4na. I like the game within the game.
PS4NA
All I see is hate and rage from people who don't understand how to.....0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭The prices for many items seem to be lower when checking TTC than what I find in the guild traders. Prices tend to be so over inflated in the guild traders on ps4. Especially at the major trading hubs.PS4 Pro NA0 -
Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭The prices for many items seem to be lower when checking TTC than what I find in the guild traders. Prices tend to be so over inflated in the guild traders on ps4. Especially at the major trading hubs.
Of course it is, you are looking at prices on PC's. Consoles can not run the addon so you are not getting the prices from PS4 on the TTC site.1 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭The prices for many items seem to be lower when checking TTC than what I find in the guild traders. Prices tend to be so over inflated in the guild traders on ps4. Especially at the major trading hubs.
Of course it is, you are looking at prices on PC's. Consoles can not run the addon so you are not getting the prices from PS4 on the TTC site.
The guild I am in uses it and tends to price things accordingly when selling within the guild. Thankfully. The PC prices are so much more reasonable.PS4 Pro NA0 -
Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭The prices for many items seem to be lower when checking TTC than what I find in the guild traders. Prices tend to be so over inflated in the guild traders on ps4. Especially at the major trading hubs.
Of course it is, you are looking at prices on PC's. Consoles can not run the addon so you are not getting the prices from PS4 on the TTC site.
The guild I am in uses it and tends to price things accordingly when selling within the guild. Thankfully. The PC prices are so much more reasonable.
This shows how TTC has manipulated the pricing on PC into being lower than those on consoles. TTC gives the price control that an AH does without the convenience of the AH.
Remember that TTC is only the hoped for price of the items being listed. The actual selling prices is not on TTC.3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TTC is Awesome. It is a shame that it is not a part of the base game (alongside with text filter in guild stores that you also need an add-on for).
Although I am not a seller in eso, I use it as a guideline to more or less determine an acceptable, ok-ish price for stuff I buy just to not buy something when it is overpriced.2 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I use to like doing auction house buying and selling in other MMO's I have played. I avoid the ESO system as much as I can. It just isn't fun and more of a pain in the butt.
And that's it in a nutshell. I don't buy anything if I can possibly avoid it. I gave up on trading guilds and selling because even my dinky freebie guild went high-pressure.
Even on PC, Awesome Guild Store requires arcane search voodoo simply to show items in a store. Half the time, the price sorting arrows time out when you're trying to get the interface to show items. Doing the same song and dance six to ten times at a single market hub is a chore. Traveling across Tamriel, through a billion loading screens isn't fun, especially if you have no clue if traders on the other end have anything you can use.
TTC at least makes it possible to locate traders that might have your item. It's probably the only reason I buy anything at all.Edited by jainiadral on December 28, 2018 12:42AM6 -
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »we literally spent 75% of our game time staring at the auction page waiting for bargains that rarely came.
There's your problem, you're not playing the game you're playing at being a trader.1 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I despise the Guild Trader system with a passion.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »I much prefer a central AH to this trader system. It's a waste of time to run all over trying to find what I want and at a decent price. TTC is fine and all but more often than not once I get to the trader it shows having what I'm after the item is already gone.
Agreed failed market from day 1 even though it was nice to try something new apart from every mmo, a centralized AH is always the best way to go in any mmo
I'm not sure why they needed to try something new. A central AH has worked in every other MMO without any issues. Don't fix what isn't broken.5
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