This is everything really wrong with pvp

Eyesinthedrk · September 2018

That’s it, right there in a nut shell. Already able to eat and out heal all the damage we can give. You’ve already given him damage and Proc sets in heavy armor. Now you’ve giving him much more effective shields that scale with his higher health and resistance. Where is his sacrifice that you claim as the reason for shield changes?

If you really believe it’s the low health, low resistance, low stam magica users that are the problem with cyrodiil, I suggest you reach out to all the pre 1T PVPers (when we had the population to maintain 7 cp campaigns) that no longer play.

Tanks, proc sets, and lag, will be the answers you get more than anything else.

Update 20 is about to exacerbates these problems making this guy on the receiving end even harder to kill, And the the people on the other side less able to dish the damage to kill him.

VaranisArano · September 2018

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

Eyesinthedrk · September 2018

That thread already gave him the answers he needed. Now he knows how to use ice

XNativexPrideX · December 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

What if a group of tanks, 50+ tank zerg. (yes they exist! AllMadden runs them) is taking a keep? It's hard to ignore them. Yesterday a huge AllMadden zerg of tanks took Chalman. They didn't do much for damage. They just timed their ults and killed everyone over time. But they were not dying. Even with meatbags and negates and defile. Purge and purify saved them from most of it. And 10+ earhtgores..

Flame_of_Hades · December 2018

XNativexPrideX wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

What if a group of tanks, 50+ tank zerg. (yes they exist! AllMadden runs them) is taking a keep? It's hard to ignore them. Yesterday a huge AllMadden zerg of tanks took Chalman. They didn't do much for damage. They just timed their ults and killed everyone over time. But they were not dying. Even with meatbags and negates and defile. Purge and purify saved them from most of it. And 10+ earhtgores..

People in this game seem to have forgotten that beating people outnumbered is supposed to be near impossible, it is supposed to be a challenge, not a right.

yodased · December 2018

PvP would be great without all the other players

Brutusmax1mus · December 2018

XNativexPrideX wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

What if a group of tanks, 50+ tank zerg. (yes they exist! AllMadden runs them) is taking a keep? It's hard to ignore them. Yesterday a huge AllMadden zerg of tanks took Chalman. They didn't do much for damage. They just timed their ults and killed everyone over time. But they were not dying. Even with meatbags and negates and defile. Purge and purify saved them from most of it. And 10+ earhtgores..

Lol allmadden is a coordinated 24 man. You're a zergling running in 5 at a time. Sillys 15 man is stronger than allmadens 24. By far.

El_Borracho · December 2018

Every PVP post: "I can't beat [INSERT ANYTHING HERE]. Change it so I can be the one killing everyone, when I want, where I want, how I want. Oh, and never, ever do anything to make my character mortal. Don't worry, I'll be back next week complaining about the lack of diversity/too many meta builds in this game."

Slack · December 2018

Buffing procs would solve his issue
And grant everyone like 3000extra weapon/spell damage who doesn't meet a certain threshold

Slack · December 2018

XNativexPrideX wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

What if a group of tanks, 50+ tank zerg. (yes they exist! AllMadden runs them) is taking a keep? It's hard to ignore them. Yesterday a huge AllMadden zerg of tanks took Chalman. They didn't do much for damage. They just timed their ults and killed everyone over time. But they were not dying. Even with meatbags and negates and defile. Purge and purify saved them from most of it. And 10+ earhtgores..

Even with coordinated Ults, getting wiped by a zerg of tanks is sad

Iskiab · December 2018

OPs post seems to be that he wants to only hit the damage buttons and not assist and win in pvp. Probably came from shooters.

If anything survivability needs to go up and not down in pvp.

Disclaimer - I don’t play a tank or a warden.

Ragnarock41 · December 2018

Iskiab wrote: »

OPs post seems to be that he wants to only hit the damage buttons and not assist and win in pvp. Probably came from shooters.

If anything survivability needs to go up and not down in pvp.

Disclaimer - I don’t play a tank or a warden.

shooter games also have support roles.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · December 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

OPs post seems to be that he wants to only hit the damage buttons and not assist and win in pvp. Probably came from shooters.

If anything survivability needs to go up and not down in pvp.

Disclaimer - I don’t play a tank or a warden.

shooter games also have support roles.

When he says shooters, probably means call of duty. So no support there.

Ragnarock41 · December 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

OPs post seems to be that he wants to only hit the damage buttons and not assist and win in pvp. Probably came from shooters.

If anything survivability needs to go up and not down in pvp.

Disclaimer - I don’t play a tank or a warden.

shooter games also have support roles.

When he says shooters, probably means call of duty. So no support there.

COD players mostly have no taste anyways so it doesn't really matter.(notice how I say mostly, I'm not implying that buying cod makes you bad, I'm saying that the average cod player has no taste of a good shooter game, they will buy the same game reskinned, every year.) That being said in shooter games you don't need a designated ''support'' class or kit to actually ''support'' people. In CS you can support your team by supressive fire, popping a flashbang to help push, or throw a smoke to help cover, drop weapons to teammates etc. Considering that , shooters can feel much more natural than MMORPGs when it comes to being a ''frontline'' or a ''support'' role.

The beauty of modern games compared to the ancient mmos we play is that, in today's gaming, you get better, not your character. Games that can't grasp the importance of letting players learn the game are dying off, mainly mmorpgs and mmofps games.

Though I'm the type of guy who played enemy territory back like 15 years ago,(that game had 5 classes, 4 of which had support capabilities with only 1 selfish class that heavily relied on the other three for healing, ammo supply and other stuff.. Anyways, ET was a great game.) so obviously people new to the shooter genre think its all about run-shoot-die-respawn. No wonder COD is so popular in that case.

Lord-Otto · December 2018

A good CoD support player will come to your house, take the disc out of the tray, slap you in the face and burn the disc.
I used to have a CoD player among my friends. I wonder why I haven't heard from him in a while...
:thinking:

VaranisArano · December 2018

XNativexPrideX wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I also noticed that the warden tank in the quote can out heal and survive, but apparently can't do jack diddly for damage against anyone who doesn't stand there and take it like an idiot.

Ignore this tank or use them for ulti-gen. They arent a threat to a smart player.

What if a group of tanks, 50+ tank zerg. (yes they exist! AllMadden runs them) is taking a keep? It's hard to ignore them. Yesterday a huge AllMadden zerg of tanks took Chalman. They didn't do much for damage. They just timed their ults and killed everyone over time. But they were not dying. Even with meatbags and negates and defile. Purge and purify saved them from most of it. And 10+ earhtgores..

1. I'm not sure why you felt the urge to necro this thread from September...

2. My advice for dealing with a single tanky player who can't do jack diddly if you don't stand there like an idiot (use for ulti-gen/ignore because he's useless if you dont fight him) is quite a bit different from my advice for dealing with an organized group as you describe. I'm unfamiliar with the particular group you describe, but the basic tactics are familiar to me from prior to the last Earthgore nerf.

Dealing with an organized group running lots of tanky healers and multiple Earthgores is going to require either: another good organized raid, PUGs acting in concert with good tactics, or overwhelming number of PUGs.

If you are a member of an organized raid already, you probably already have some tactics for handling these types of enemies raids. If you aren't, this post has some pretty good tips for how PUGs and zerg surfers can be effective: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/448088/how-to-deal-with-organised-min-max-ball-groups-who-want-to-farm-you/

But in either case, solo tank with low damage or organized raid, its a good idea to not stand there and take it. Fight on your own terms and don't stand there like an idiot when the tank with a greatsword (or the raid with the ulti drop) comes charging for the kill. Think of it as the PVP version of "standing in stupid".