Alkosh - Is it being changed to Minor Fracture?

Lab3360 · December 2018

I heard from someone in another thread the Alkosh will be receiving Minor Fracture rather than the 3010 penetration bonus it give from synergy.
Is this accurate?

Tasear · December 2018

Where did you see this? What was that person's source?

ChunkyCat · December 2018

It’s being changed to Minor Expedition. This is a buff if your goal is to run away and cry in the corner.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Where did you see this? What was that person's source?

Thats why I am asking. Insure cant find it anywhere.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Here is the reference from page 16 on
Youtube Buils - Can We Stop Please Theead

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.

I run Ebon & Imperium. Wrote many times, that Alkosh doesn't worth the grind since it gets Minor Fracture soon.
Pointless for me as a Templar Tank who can cast and maintain the debuff all the time. (alongside Major Fracture from S&B).

Also is matter of synergies. In trials you can barely pull 1 every blue moon as the DDs use them first while you try to block the next heavy attack from the boss, or bashing it to rupt.

Same applies to my Templar Healer. The Extended Ritual procs Spell Power Cure all time.
And I see no reason to grind Infallible Mage for Minor Vulnerability debuff, as I am using lightning staff and with wall + enchantment is applies it 90% of the time, per tick...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/450115/youtube-builds-can-we-stop-please/p16

Tasear · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Where did you see this? What was that person's source?

Thats why I am asking. Insure cant find it anywhere.

Likely just a rumour

starkerealm · December 2018

Lab3360 wrote: »

Here is the reference from page 16 on
Youtube Buils - Can We Stop Please Theead

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.

I run Ebon & Imperium. Wrote many times, that Alkosh doesn't worth the grind since it gets Minor Fracture soon.
Pointless for me as a Templar Tank who can cast and maintain the debuff all the time. (alongside Major Fracture from S&B).

Also is matter of synergies. In trials you can barely pull 1 every blue moon as the DDs use them first while you try to block the next heavy attack from the boss, or bashing it to rupt.

Same applies to my Templar Healer. The Extended Ritual procs Spell Power Cure all time.
And I see no reason to grind Infallible Mage for Minor Vulnerability debuff, as I am using lightning staff and with wall + enchantment is applies it 90% of the time, per tick...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/450115/youtube-builds-can-we-stop-please/p16

So, basically, no public source.

Lab3360 · December 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Here is the reference from page 16 on
Youtube Buils - Can We Stop Please Theead

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.

I run Ebon & Imperium. Wrote many times, that Alkosh doesn't worth the grind since it gets Minor Fracture soon.
Pointless for me as a Templar Tank who can cast and maintain the debuff all the time. (alongside Major Fracture from S&B).

Also is matter of synergies. In trials you can barely pull 1 every blue moon as the DDs use them first while you try to block the next heavy attack from the boss, or bashing it to rupt.

Same applies to my Templar Healer. The Extended Ritual procs Spell Power Cure all time.
And I see no reason to grind Infallible Mage for Minor Vulnerability debuff, as I am using lightning staff and with wall + enchantment is applies it 90% of the time, per tick...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/450115/youtube-builds-can-we-stop-please/p16

So, basically, no public source.

None

I did ask him, but recieved no reponse

idk · December 2018

Trolls are in this game. Whoever told you that is a troll or listened to a troll. That would not only be a change but a huge nerf. Granted tanks often use this set, but it has been used by top dps running in elite raid groups because it is a decent enough set for a stam dps to use. A change like that would make it pretty bad.

Lab3360 · December 2018

idk wrote: »

Trolls are in this game. Whoever told you that is a troll or listened to a troll. That would not only be a change but a huge nerf. Granted tanks often use this set, but it has been used by top dps running in elite raid groups because it is a decent enough set for a stam dps to use. A change like that would make it pretty bad.

Good to know. I refuse to run that set on my tank. But, I do run it on my stam dps.

witchdoctor · December 2018

A change like that, (assuming its in a vacuum), would basically make Roar of Alkosh the trial version, (i.e., addition of minor slayer), of Sunderflame.

That would fix none of the systemic issues and simply gut a trial set.

*Again, if the change was in a vacuum. I suspect to see ... significant ... changes in the next update. I just hope the provision of NDA for the class reps means we can see systemic issues addressed in a more player-friendly fashion.

Kel · December 2018

What's with these rumors?

First the transmute crystal rumor (being 50 per account, not per character anymore at the end of the Vivec campaign) and now this...both with no source, just "I heard".

Can we not make wild speculation without some source...a quote...anything? This is getting ridiculous.

Lab3360 · December 2018

Kel wrote: »

What's with these rumors?

First the transmute crystal rumor (being 50 per account, not per character anymore at the end of the Vivec campaign) and now this...both with no source, just "I heard".

Can we not make wild speculation without some source...a quote...anything? This is getting ridiculous.

I agree. The guy still has not responded

Camb0Sl1ce · December 2018

If this happened it would be in my opinion one of dumbest changes ever implemented, i still think think the changes to nmg and sunderflame were stupid btw. If this change were to "happen" it would make the set useless since a healer or stamplar could run potl, and we have enough useless sets in the game no need to add more.

ZeroXFF · December 2018

I don't think this is going to happen, but I hope I'm wrong. Alkosh is a stupid set that does nothing for the person wearing it, and not only does it nothing for them, they can't even activate it by themselves. I really hope it gets nerfed to irrelevance.

Dracane · December 2018

Since Alkosh is the single best tank set, a nerf doesn't seem unlikely and I would welcome it. Feels bad as a tank when you know there is only 1 option.

Minor Fracture is harsh though. 1980 penetration sounds more fair. That's 3% more damage and not as overtuned as it is now.

bharathitman · December 2018

I am not really sure where all these rumors come from, but hopefully it's not from the people that are under NDA

An alkosh nerf would be really interesting since it gives end game tanks some breathing room in terms of gear selection and survivability

Juhasow · December 2018

Dracane wrote: »

Since Alkosh is the single best tank set, a nerf doesn't seem unlikely and I would welcome it. Feels bad as a tank when you know there is only 1 option.

Minor Fracture is harsh though. 1980 penetration sounds more fair. That's 3% more damage and not as overtuned as it is now.

Well devs could also just add more interresting tank sets for tanks or work on improving current ones.

Dracane · December 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Since Alkosh is the single best tank set, a nerf doesn't seem unlikely and I would welcome it. Feels bad as a tank when you know there is only 1 option.

Minor Fracture is harsh though. 1980 penetration sounds more fair. That's 3% more damage and not as overtuned as it is now.

Well devs could also just add more interresting tank sets for tanks or work on improving current ones.

Definately. You know this will never happen though. Nothing ever gets buffed or added to be on the same level as "over"performing things. Nerfing is always the easy and thus favored approach.

SoLooney · December 2018

So basically change a trial set to be exactly the same thing as a dungeon set. Doesn't sound right

tamrielwinner · December 2018

it's totally baseless at this point.

SodanTok · December 2018

For a game with developers that share almost 0 plans for future balance changes, this game sure has lots of "i heard they will do x". Like where? Where do you hear this stuff when ZoS outside of few NDA class reps doesnt talk about this stuff.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

SodanTok wrote: »

For a game with developers that share almost 0 plans for future balance changes, this game sure has lots of "i heard they will do x". Like where? Where do you hear this stuff when ZoS outside of few NDA class reps doesnt talk about this stuff.

Maybe some players create these nerf rumors and the devs read them and are like "Hey - great idea!"

Stratloc · December 2018

I don't really see how this "rumor" warrants its own thread, but here we are. And I'm commenting on it myself, so yeah

BejaProphet · December 2018

If I recall the reference right, this guy was arguing about something else, wanted Alkosh not to disprove his point so he baselessly took it out of the conversation by saying Alkosh would surely be nerfed in exactly that way. Meaning he knew perfectly that nowhere was there any source indicating this, he just decided he would present it as fact.

Tasear · December 2018

Kel wrote: »

What's with these rumors?

First the transmute crystal rumor (being 50 per account, not per character anymore at the end of the Vivec campaign) and now this...both with no source, just "I heard".

Can we not make wild speculation without some source...a quote...anything? This is getting ridiculous.

Or someone is leaking something. I mean we all thought Morrowind sustain changes were a joke too.

zaria · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

What's with these rumors?

First the transmute crystal rumor (being 50 per account, not per character anymore at the end of the Vivec campaign) and now this...both with no source, just "I heard".

Can we not make wild speculation without some source...a quote...anything? This is getting ridiculous.

Or someone is leaking something. I mean we all thought Morrowind sustain changes were a joke too.

Could be or way more probably its just troll rumors, if you see an light in the sky its probably not aliens.

Here is some more rumors:
Khajiit and Argonian tails will be removed in next update as part of race balancing.
CP160+ players can no longer do normal dungeons.

Tasear · December 2018

zaria wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

What's with these rumors?

First the transmute crystal rumor (being 50 per account, not per character anymore at the end of the Vivec campaign) and now this...both with no source, just "I heard".

Can we not make wild speculation without some source...a quote...anything? This is getting ridiculous.

Or someone is leaking something. I mean we all thought Morrowind sustain changes were a joke too.

Could be or way more probably its just troll rumors, if you see an light in the sky its probably not aliens.

Here is some more rumors:
Khajiit and Argonian tails will be removed in next update as part of race balancing.
CP160+ players can no longer do normal dungeons.

I say this because some interesting information is shared that really shouldn't be legend and pvp discord.

Dracane · December 2018

SodanTok wrote: »

For a game with developers that share almost 0 plans for future balance changes, this game sure has lots of "i heard they will do x". Like where? Where do you hear this stuff when ZoS outside of few NDA class reps doesnt talk about this stuff.

Looking at the past though, I can't recall any specific case where rumors have not been true regarding this game.

starkerealm · December 2018

SoLooney wrote: »

So basically change a trial set to be exactly the same thing as a dungeon set. Doesn't sound right

Alkosh still has a heavy dot and Slayer buff, but most people ignore those two parts.

starkerealm · December 2018

Dracane wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

For a game with developers that share almost 0 plans for future balance changes, this game sure has lots of "i heard they will do x". Like where? Where do you hear this stuff when ZoS outside of few NDA class reps doesnt talk about this stuff.

Looking at the past though, I can't recall any specific case where rumors have not been true regarding this game.

"If you wait until all of the pinions are active, the chances of spawning a unique boss are higher."
"The player who picks the chest has to have Treasure Hunter, so that everyone in the group gets the bonus stuff."
"They've taken the random Vampire and Werewolves out of the game so you need to buy the bites through the crown store."

Right, no.