You know what we really shouldn't have? More nerf threads.

Possible counters to the issue you brought up:
1) Reposition yourself out of range.
2) CC the warden before the sub assault hits.
3) Roll/walk through the warden before the hit.

Basically see the shalks visual and make sure your enemy isn't faced towards you when it hits. It's really not difficult. Just requires some situational awareness.

Oh yeah, and when you know damage is inc, try to move away instead of facetanking it


P.S
Sorry for killing you with that combo the other day OP, but you did knock me off my horse. It was deserved

It's bad design and Wrobel should feel bad, but Warden is the Crown Store baby so don't expect any balance moves there.

HOnestly, no problem here, the only build that causes me trouble now is WW in BG, other than that everything is fine.

Both sub assault and dbos can be blocked. Also stat off centered to warden much like templar to avoid sub assault. Getting hit by a zerg of dbos and subs are just a coordinated group that ulti dumps, probably with a negate and permafrost to make sure you cant live. Counter by counter negates, earthgore resto ults etc... and spreading apart and regrouping.

Ive notice most complaints of stamdens are from cyrodiil, which is a l2p (group) issue. Not 1v1 problem.

CompM4s wrote: »

Both sub assault and dbos can be blocked. Also stat off centered to warden much like templar to avoid sub assault. Getting hit by a zerg of dbos and subs are just a coordinated group that ulti dumps, probably with a negate and permafrost to make sure you cant live. Counter by counter negates, earthgore resto ults etc... and spreading apart and regrouping.

Ive notice most complaints of stamdens are from cyrodiil, which is a l2p (group) issue. Not 1v1 problem.

The damage on Shalks is indeed unblockable. It used to be the case that the Magicka morph's Stun effect would be stopped by blocking, but that hasn't had a stun attached for a while now.

Solariken wrote: »

It's bad design and Wrobel should feel bad, but Warden is the Crown Store baby so don't expect any balance moves there.

What? Magicka Warden has basically had nothing but nerfs since the class was first implemented. There are a few changes that may be somewhat arguable, but also multiple direct nerfs, even when virtually no one was actually playing the class.

I think I saw an emp one time running shalk / db / spin 2 win while wearing vicious death

gg's

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

remove crowd controls
the CC's in eso is the problem.
allways has been.

Wtf, no.

Baphomet wrote: »

As we all know, an unfortunate mix of different abilities, which individually aren't an issue, can lead to something which is too imbalanced not to address.

I am of course talking about the combination of dawnbreaker and scorch (most often used with stamina warden builds as dawnbreaker of smiting and subterannean assault).

This combo deals out more unblockable AoE damage than most other builds can achieve with single-target DPS (which is most often blockable, too).

And to add insult to injury, we can add steel tornado to the mix (though it is blockable).

I for one think it's long overdue that this combination is addressed as it is grossly overperforming and take little skill or effort to execute.

No builds should have this amount of unblockable AoE damage without drawbacks or counterplay.

How should we address this issue in a constructive manner? @ZoS are you already looking into this?

Note: Just for the record, I do play a warden myself, and I still think this combo is a bit too much.

Warden and nb are the only fun classes right now. Know why? They are still good and aren't a watered down class stripped of its defining stuff. How about instead we start re buffing classes to a point where they are all good again and fun to play.

I think it would be funny to see what happened in real life if we had on demand CC and Fear in a battle.

As far as the game goes, I'd still like to see a slow down on the nerfs - you know, nerf the nerfs!!!
As someone who runs tanks, healers and DD's (mag and stam), I have trouble keeping up with the skill and gear changes.

Yeah please no more needs

kaithuzar wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Yes it’s strong. But, scorch has a very easy to see animation and a delay. So you very easily move out of the way and then there whole combo goes to ***. Best case they have to start over, worst case they also blow their ult and then you’re free to move in and apply pressure.

Tell me how is it is to animations & avoid damage from “delay” when Cyrodiil lags out & everything happens at once.

Idk what your personal experience is, but I play from Thailand primarily, and that means ideally I’m playing around 270 ping on a good day. And even I can get decent performance most of the time. I’m not saying it doesn’t get unplayable because it does, but that’s only sometimes when it gets really bad for some unknown reason or if I try to hit vivec during prime time. I’m sorry if you live in a really remote area or have satellite internet or something but then scorch is not the issue. Sure sometimes skills all blast you at once or you get a massive desync, but it’s just par for the course. We can’t balance skills around that. As I said maybe you have a really horrible connection and that sucks, but otherwise maybe try spreading out don’t go to vivec, try shor or sotha, whatever seems less populated while still having some action. I can play vivec up to about 2 or so bars of population. After that I hang it up. There’s a real big delay on this skill, so it’s avoidable even with high ping.

bagon wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

As we all know, an unfortunate mix of different abilities, which individually aren't an issue, can lead to something which is too imbalanced not to address.

I am of course talking about the combination of dawnbreaker and scorch (most often used with stamina warden builds as dawnbreaker of smiting and subterannean assault).

This combo deals out more unblockable AoE damage than most other builds can achieve with single-target DPS (which is most often blockable, too).

And to add insult to injury, we can add steel tornado to the mix (though it is blockable).

I for one think it's long overdue that this combination is addressed as it is grossly overperforming and take little skill or effort to execute.

No builds should have this amount of unblockable AoE damage without drawbacks or counterplay.

How should we address this issue in a constructive manner? @ZoS are you already looking into this?

Note: Just for the record, I do play a warden myself, and I still think this combo is a bit too much.

Warden and nb are the only fun classes right now. Know why? They are still good and aren't a watered down class stripped of its defining stuff. How about instead we start re buffing classes to a point where they are all good again and fun to play.

Agreed, just would like to add that from my perspective it is because you can build them stat based and don't have to rely on damage procs from proc sets. It's entirely possible to build stat based stamWarden or StamBlade and have decent success and fun playing it while relying on your class defining skills and abilities to survive or close down some kills in PvP.