Let's buff medium armor (a brainstorming thread)

Mayrael · May 2018

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Also shuffle and morphs need a rework.

Evasion:
This ability now cost 4900 stam at base
When activated grants 100% dodge immunity for the next 4 attacks.

Shuffle(Evasion Morph):
This morph also grants snare immunity duration is based on amount of medium equiped.

Elude(Evasion morph):
This morph now increases the amount of dodges based on amount of medium armor equpied each piece increases duration by .33 secs (capped at 6 secs)

LOL. #BALANCE. You wouldn't like that change. It would be OP against almost every build except of bleed builds and msorcs who would still eat you alive (curse, cage, sload, meteor, oblivion enchantment, heavy lightning attack buffed by elegance and CPs).

Anti_Virus · May 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Also shuffle and morphs need a rework.

Evasion:
This ability now cost 4900 stam at base
When activated grants 100% dodge immunity for the next 4 attacks.

Shuffle(Evasion Morph):
This morph also grants snare immunity duration is based on amount of medium equiped.

Elude(Evasion morph):
This morph now increases the amount of dodges based on amount of medium armor equpied each piece increases duration by .33 secs (capped at 6 secs)

LOL. #BALANCE. You wouldn't like that change. It would be OP against almost every build except of bleed builds and msorcs who would still eat you alive (curse, cage, sload, meteor, oblivion enchantment, heavy lightning attack buffed by elegance and CPs).

5k stam isn't very sustainable to spam like a damge shield.

Especially since it has a set number of dodges all one has to do is light attack to waste all of them.

But the set numer is to high so it should be lowered to 3 dodges and up to 5 with elude 7 medium armor

And a slight cost increase up to 5200 stam should has some balance to it.

BlackLabel · May 2018

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

BlackLabel wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Want to buff medium armor? Sure, after a stamblade nerf though. If you want other classes to actually use it that is.(or buff other stam classes in general. Stamblade is way too dominant against medium armor targets.)

I would prefer making shuffle give 1 second snare immunity per piece of medium armor

So with 6 med-1 heavy you would be sitting at 6 seconds of snare immunity. Pretty decent and would compete against forward momentum nicely.

sustain passives are good enough. It also has cost reduction aswell, and on top of that dodge cost reduction. Its pretty dank stronk.

As with changing sneak with penetration, it is a bit risky there. While sneak is useless for anything except stamblades, even more free stats to medium would completely break the reasoning to use heavy armor.(medium brass/impreg is already very competitive with heavy,lets not make it even more stronger. Don't forget the mobility benefits too.)

I would say what should be done is , giving other classes the ability to play as assassins.Yes, I'm talking about giving a weaker version of cloak to all classes. And before salty stamblades come up with their ''hurr durr class identity'', you can play your stamblade like a heavy armor DK, so I should be able to play my Dk like a medium armor nightblade. Just like how we have alliance purge for non-templar healers in PvP, everyone could benefit from a non-nightblade cloak.(to balance the ability it should be locked into 5+ medium, like shuffle obviously.We wouldn't really want heavy armor Dk/templars abusing this like they did with shuffle.) There, now everyone can play sneaky.

And NO, heavy does not give you more damage anymore. it was the case for some sets like fury-seventh-ravager etc. All of those can be used in a medium setup now. Without sacrificing anything at all, thanks to jewelrycrafting.

I feel (as well as many others) that there is very little incentive to choose medium over heavy. We need to find and present solutions to fix this imbalance and allow other classes besides nightblade a to run medium. I for one feel I need to run heavy because I constantly need to me mindful of nightblades incaping my brains out.

Also coming with this next patch I am sure we will see more imbalance/ spread with the choice between heavy and medium with the possibility to run both seventh, fury, and a monster set.

As I said, people choose heavy over medium, because playing medium like its supposed to play, on anything other than stamblade, results in a disaster. Simply buffing medium armor will change absolutely nothing, and will only make stamblade even more dominant.

The solution is to make other classes have the options for that fast playstyle of medium. Yes, I'm mainly talking about stamDk/stamsorc here. They could benefit greatly from improved weapon skills that can at least compete with what stamblades have.

other than that, impossible to fail burst combos like magsorcs have, is also cancerous against medium armor.(Thanks wrobel for buffing rune cage lmao,enjoy getting one shot consistantly or go heavy basically.)

This is what I keep telling people, if you want to play in medium shut up and play a stamblade.

Thats what the class was designed to play in, but instead they campaigned to nerf heavy armor 4x in a row and are STILL QQing about medium.

It's time to accepts this and wanting to nerf heavy armor isn't going to make medium better.

But why should I be forced to play a stamblade if I want to get the maximum benefits out of medium. I’m not asking to nerf heavy. I’m asking to buff medium.

Anti_Virus · May 2018

BlackLabel wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

BlackLabel wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Want to buff medium armor? Sure, after a stamblade nerf though. If you want other classes to actually use it that is.(or buff other stam classes in general. Stamblade is way too dominant against medium armor targets.)

I would prefer making shuffle give 1 second snare immunity per piece of medium armor

So with 6 med-1 heavy you would be sitting at 6 seconds of snare immunity. Pretty decent and would compete against forward momentum nicely.

sustain passives are good enough. It also has cost reduction aswell, and on top of that dodge cost reduction. Its pretty dank stronk.

As with changing sneak with penetration, it is a bit risky there. While sneak is useless for anything except stamblades, even more free stats to medium would completely break the reasoning to use heavy armor.(medium brass/impreg is already very competitive with heavy,lets not make it even more stronger. Don't forget the mobility benefits too.)

I would say what should be done is , giving other classes the ability to play as assassins.Yes, I'm talking about giving a weaker version of cloak to all classes. And before salty stamblades come up with their ''hurr durr class identity'', you can play your stamblade like a heavy armor DK, so I should be able to play my Dk like a medium armor nightblade. Just like how we have alliance purge for non-templar healers in PvP, everyone could benefit from a non-nightblade cloak.(to balance the ability it should be locked into 5+ medium, like shuffle obviously.We wouldn't really want heavy armor Dk/templars abusing this like they did with shuffle.) There, now everyone can play sneaky.

And NO, heavy does not give you more damage anymore. it was the case for some sets like fury-seventh-ravager etc. All of those can be used in a medium setup now. Without sacrificing anything at all, thanks to jewelrycrafting.

I feel (as well as many others) that there is very little incentive to choose medium over heavy. We need to find and present solutions to fix this imbalance and allow other classes besides nightblade a to run medium. I for one feel I need to run heavy because I constantly need to me mindful of nightblades incaping my brains out.

Also coming with this next patch I am sure we will see more imbalance/ spread with the choice between heavy and medium with the possibility to run both seventh, fury, and a monster set.

As I said, people choose heavy over medium, because playing medium like its supposed to play, on anything other than stamblade, results in a disaster. Simply buffing medium armor will change absolutely nothing, and will only make stamblade even more dominant.

The solution is to make other classes have the options for that fast playstyle of medium. Yes, I'm mainly talking about stamDk/stamsorc here. They could benefit greatly from improved weapon skills that can at least compete with what stamblades have.

other than that, impossible to fail burst combos like magsorcs have, is also cancerous against medium armor.(Thanks wrobel for buffing rune cage lmao,enjoy getting one shot consistantly or go heavy basically.)

This is what I keep telling people, if you want to play in medium shut up and play a stamblade.

Thats what the class was designed to play in, but instead they campaigned to nerf heavy armor 4x in a row and are STILL QQing about medium.

It's time to accepts this and wanting to nerf heavy armor isn't going to make medium better.

But why should I be forced to play a stamblade if I want to get the maximum benefits out of medium. I’m not asking to nerf heavy. I’m asking to buff medium.

Thats up to the devs dude. They claim play the way you want but clearly that isn't the case I wanted to be a combat archer when the game came out I even made forum posts on how to improve it" Feed back was ignored

Medium armor is best on stamblade thats the way it is take it or leave it.

Mr_Nobody · May 2018

Idk if you guys who claim that medium is only for stamblades are on drugs or clearly how no actual clue on what PvP is. Are you done following your zergs? I mean i dont want to offend you or anything but there is a ton of tanky medium sets that most of good players run and they succeed on them more than they would on Heavy.

Please, google the sets, think a little, i believe you can do it.

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2018

Ive played 7 medium nb for years. All that is needed is longer snare immunity and maybe some dot damage reduction.

ak_pvp · May 2018

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Also shuffle and morphs need a rework.

Evasion:
This ability now cost 4900 stam at base
When activated grants 100% dodge immunity for the next 4 attacks.

Shuffle(Evasion Morph):
This morph also grants snare immunity duration is based on amount of medium equiped.

Elude(Evasion morph):
This morph now increases the amount of dodges based on amount of medium armor equpied each piece increases duration by .33 secs (capped at 6 secs)

LOL. #BALANCE. You wouldn't like that change. It would be OP against almost every build except of bleed builds and msorcs who would still eat you alive (curse, cage, sload, meteor, oblivion enchantment, heavy lightning attack buffed by elegance and CPs).

5k stam isn't very sustainable to spam like a damge shield.

Especially since it has a set number of dodges all one has to do is light attack to waste all of them.

But the set numer is to high so it should be lowered to 3 dodges and up to 5 with elude 7 medium armor

And a slight cost increase up to 5200 stam should has some balance to it.

It wont work for a different reason. It then becomes useless in outnumbered situations. 4 attacks are a lot more 1v1 than 1vX. So you'd end up with it being OP like wings vs magblade, and useless otherwise. At least current shuffle is a chance per attack, so scales the same no matter what.

BlackLabel · May 2018

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Idk if you guys who claim that medium is only for stamblades are on drugs or clearly how no actual clue on what PvP is. Are you done following your zergs? I mean i dont want to offend you or anything but there is a ton of tanky medium sets that most of good players run and they succeed on them more than they would on Heavy.

Please, google the sets, think a little, i believe you can do it.

Majority of the time I play solo. That’s one of the reasons I’m asking to buff medium. Sure there are sets like impregnable and fortified brass you can wear in medium. But why sacrifice throwing away stats wearing these sets when you can just wear fury or seventh and be just as tanky with even more weapon damage.

Minno · May 2018

BlackLabel wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Idk if you guys who claim that medium is only for stamblades are on drugs or clearly how no actual clue on what PvP is. Are you done following your zergs? I mean i dont want to offend you or anything but there is a ton of tanky medium sets that most of good players run and they succeed on them more than they would on Heavy.

Please, google the sets, think a little, i believe you can do it.

Majority of the time I play solo. That’s one of the reasons I’m asking to buff medium. Sure there are sets like impregnable and fortified brass you can wear in medium. But why sacrifice throwing away stats wearing these sets when you can just wear fury or seventh and be just as tanky with even more weapon damage.

Impreg needs another defense as well to make it feel mechanically strong versus going heavy armor sets.

That's why fort brass feels better; the resists reduce DMG across the board similar to HA resists, but you'll have an easier time finding sustain. It won't be those disgusting 6k WD builds with click bate YouTube titles, but you'll be more brawly and have to play that way (reactive dodge rolling, block, Los to break targeting, charge up burst through Ultimates, etc)

Heavy armor can also use lava foot given the percent amps to extra health. So medium armor has to come up with defense without giving up DMG; and I think working around sustain/speed is what makes medium outshine heavy armor. That's why you kinda have to work with all the set options available; heavy armor has to crutch on FW to reach the snare immunity that MA has and you should use that to your advantage (use bow for execute dot and AOE immobilze, resto for ultimate heal, DW for bleeds, snb for extra defense and reflects, even destro ice to use unblockable ultimate while still being able to block with ice staff, etc.)

MA = versatility. But I think the brawler setup is more fun as medium than heavy armor.

Anti_Virus · May 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Also shuffle and morphs need a rework.

Evasion:
This ability now cost 4900 stam at base
When activated grants 100% dodge immunity for the next 4 attacks.

Shuffle(Evasion Morph):
This morph also grants snare immunity duration is based on amount of medium equiped.

Elude(Evasion morph):
This morph now increases the amount of dodges based on amount of medium armor equpied each piece increases duration by .33 secs (capped at 6 secs)

LOL. #BALANCE. You wouldn't like that change. It would be OP against almost every build except of bleed builds and msorcs who would still eat you alive (curse, cage, sload, meteor, oblivion enchantment, heavy lightning attack buffed by elegance and CPs).

5k stam isn't very sustainable to spam like a damge shield.

Especially since it has a set number of dodges all one has to do is light attack to waste all of them.

But the set numer is to high so it should be lowered to 3 dodges and up to 5 with elude 7 medium armor

And a slight cost increase up to 5200 stam should has some balance to it.

It wont work for a different reason. It then becomes useless in outnumbered situations. 4 attacks are a lot more 1v1 than 1vX. So you'd end up with it being OP like wings vs magblade, and useless otherwise. At least current shuffle is a chance per attack, so scales the same no matter what.

I wanted the ability to scale like block and damage shields and by making dodge more of an active defense.

It allows the opponent to control when to attack if you see the buff you would be wise to wait it out or used undogeable attacks. Also allows the user to control when to dodge lethal attacks instead of at random at times when it is or isn't needes.

Jaybomb · July 2018

First how do you want to play for me a nb st am or mag is get in kill get out.with magblade u can bomb or take 1 out at a time as stamblade you either want to get in wreck up the place and cloak out rinse and repeat there not meant to be the tank or healer.now we have better medium sets and jewelry crafting you can be tanky without losing your medium armour mighty chowdan is excellent for both light and heavy I play a lot mag builds and use this 2 piece set and I hit 25k resistance easy with 2k crit u cant and shouldn't rely on proc set's its a step back!!!

It's not hard to get and try all the viable sets and playstyles so put YouTube away and find your own style the guys streaming builds don't come up with them mostly there cloned from the best players on the game but only some of it no one at the top 5% will share there build and abilities that's why u have only a few feeding you the average player builds full stop.

Find a class/race that you ENJOY PLAYING and then try out all possible combos related to you play style the more you enjoy a build of your own the better you'll get.

Gallagher563 · July 2018

It would be nice if the athletic's passive got a slight buff along with wind walker gaining another percentage or so of stamina and roll dodge cost reduction.

dazee · December 2018

Is medium armor underperforming? and if so for which builds? is it better to dps for some builds in heavy now (for stambuilds)

Ragnarock41 · December 2018

dazee wrote: »

Is medium armor underperforming? and if so for which builds? is it better to dps for some builds in heavy now (for stambuilds)

Its not directly better, but its better at some stuff, like solo PvP and non-CP PvP, I feel that medium armor is actually better than heavy armor. The challange is making a medium armor build that won't melt instantly, and the major evasion changes helped me achieve that goal.

One issue that is still not addressed is the lack of good PvP sets for medium armor though. I've been using sets like legion/veiled etc, both sets offer damage and some form of survivability(seventh heal and veiled physical resistance). I think MA could use such a set.