Hi Technohic
Looks like we're in the same boat. Sometimes I go 15-2 in BG's but I suspect that's when I fight low-ranked players. I dunno why that happens. Sometimes my BG's are full of meta and big names and sometimes they're just a potato farm.
I learned not to open with my burst but open with a stun, then sorta endure and sack their resources until they make a mistake, then drop Dawnbreaker and try to kill fast.
Still, some people, mostly in 1v1 seem to have unlimited resources, deal big damage and are very tanky. Against that, I'm clueless. Emphasis on seem. Likely, they actually don't.
Am I the only one who feels like I get farmed despite playing BG's daily and practising a lot? Or am I missing some vital parts to my playstyle? Some hidden secret that permits those people – you know who they are – in PvP to just go 1vX and kill people one by one?
Hello ESO-ers
Please, help me not die of pure rage.
I nearly popped a blood vessel in my brain today in BG's when I fought a few matches and in each match, I got destroyed. To further save myself from brain haemorrhage, I want to ask for aid here on the forum and if not that, at least some confirmation that I'm not the only one going through this.
I play stamsorc. Could go over all the time I spent and gear I tried and how I eventually settled on what is considered some of the BiS loadout for sorc but that information isn't relevant to the point I wanna make here.
Just know that I do very well in most group fights in BG's or Cyro, managing to wipe groups larger than us with a team half the size of theirs.
But then I get into Cyro duels or BG duels and suddenly I'm some low level L2P noob. Magblades and stamblades seem to avoid 50% of my damage by cloaking my dots. Magplars just hit me with Puncturing Sweeps and Purifying Light while I can't seem to keep them low, they just heal back to full constantly. Often, I feel like I don't even have a chance.
Sometimes I win but it's very 50-50 and as soon as it's 1v2, my death clock ticks very fast.
I feel like all the time and effort I put into carefully building my character is undone and my motivation for playing – getting to be one of those PvP'ers whose name you recognise– is unreachable for some reason.
Having put so much time into ESO now, seeing all my time invested turn into a 5 second death makes me just want to log out, unsub and uninstal. And no. I wouldn't give anyone my stuff, it would go to “Help an Orc Orphan” charity.
Am I the only one who feels like I get farmed despite playing BG's daily and practising a lot? Or am I missing some vital parts to my playstyle? Some hidden secret that permits those people – you know who they are – in PvP to just go 1vX and kill people one by one?
Any tips and tricks would be appreciated and if you can't do that, it would already feel better just knowing that it happens to everybody and that even the pro's sometimes get trololol'd.
Cheers
Aedrion
PS: Nerf Cloak
@Crixus8000 : That's some solid advice! I went to the extreme with tankiness and then back but if you lack damage, your pressure can be so low that they needn't defend and can just wittle you down eventually. People keep saying heavy armour is best for 1v1 but I suffer in heavy. Maybe more heavy attacks! The rest of you advice will take practice. Like spotting the squishy. I know that they often do lots of dmg so getting rid of them because they have no defence is good. Honestly, I can't see people's burst coming for the life of me. Animation cancelling is cool but for PvP, it's a terrible thing. Can't block what you can't see. Also, I love your name! ;-)
@MalagenR : I run 7th Legion, Bone Pirate and Troll king. Medium armour. Dual wield + Bow (previously 2h). Poison on bow. Bleeds and Spins on Dual wield. Build has about 24k HP, 11K magicka and 26k stam. 1.8K stam regen, 500 HP regen. ~4.3k weapon dmg with all procs and glyphs and ~30% crit. This build is considered one of multiple BiS sorc setups. Skills vary depending on content. If you spot a mistake there, feel free to point it out.
@VaranisArano : I'll confess that with a healer and group support, this problem goes away. It's mostly prominent in solo. I'll perhaps have to re-evaluate how many AoE abilities I wanna use. I use Shrouded dagger atm to slow them for Dawnbreaker, maybe I can run something more focussed.
@Soris : I've never played on CP and all BG's are non-CP. I know that many 1vX compilations are on CP, where people kill lowbies who have their CP spent for PvE
@Koolio : In reply. Played for about 3 years on and off. Only 1 char mainly due to time restraints. I do have some alts though but I play them less. For sets, see above. Have gone to extremes yes, so balanced in the middle now. Haven't done maelstrom. Don't want the weapons, also doesn't sound like a lot of fun. The people I duel are PvP-only yea.
@kylewwefan : All you said sounds really famliar. Good to know I'm not alone. I don't really understand how the matchmaking works. One moment we're in a team with all PvP'ers and we do really well, that's when I get amazing KD for example. And then we're playing with people that end the BG with 80k dmg or 300k dmg and 0 healing done. Or people with 600k+ damage but 10 deaths. Perhaps getting in a premade is the answer.
@NyassaV : Hah! Yes but as opposed to Cyro, mostly lagfree.
@Crixus8000 : That's some solid advice! I went to the extreme with tankiness and then back but if you lack damage, your pressure can be so low that they needn't defend and can just wittle you down eventually. People keep saying heavy armour is best for 1v1 but I suffer in heavy. Maybe more heavy attacks! The rest of you advice will take practice. Like spotting the squishy. I know that they often do lots of dmg so getting rid of them because they have no defence is good. Honestly, I can't see people's burst coming for the life of me. Animation cancelling is cool but for PvP, it's a terrible thing. Can't block what you can't see. Also, I love your name! ;-)
@brandonv516 : Stamsorc deffo good in BG's but I don't know how to check my MMR so couldn't tell you where I am ^_^
Hi Technohic
Looks like we're in the same boat. Sometimes I go 15-2 in BG's but I suspect that's when I fight low-ranked players. I dunno why that happens. Sometimes my BG's are full of meta and big names and sometimes they're just a potato farm.
I learned not to open with my burst but open with a stun, then sorta endure and sack their resources until they make a mistake, then drop Dawnbreaker and try to kill fast.
Still, some people, mostly in 1v1 seem to have unlimited resources, deal big damage and are very tanky. Against that, I'm clueless. Emphasis on seem. Likely, they actually don't.
Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »@Aedrion
1. Hard to say this without sounding like a jerk, but your build is nonsensical and suboptimal.
7th? On a bow build? In medium? With no defensive sets/protective other than tk? With low hp regen and no 2h? Might as well go hundings cause that will result in much more dmg due to your build being way too unsynergistic with 7th. (No, dont do that, hundings is bad too)
Bone pirate is a terribly overrated set. The value the set provides with its bonuses isnt really higher than what youd get from other top tier sets, but it also come with a downside of having to use bad food (dubious is strictly worse than artaeum and still some builds would want to run purple food/orzorga over artaeum), made even worse in no cp cause hp regen is incredibly strong there.
You have no magicka sustain, which is important for solo pvp on a stam sorc.
No master dw? You get about 350 dps from it on average just for pressing 1 button - for a one-barrable 2 piece, thats very hard to beat.
(Warning: controversial subject)
Id say that 99% of the time using medium on a stam sorc is strictly wrong. Medium offers higher speed (stam sorc is already fast, in fact, a sprinting orc stam sorc, with minor and major expedition already hits the speed cap), better out of fight sustain (dark deal already covers that) and roll cost reduction (fine, that bonus is good). On the other hand, heavy gives you passive defense (actually synergistic with sorc cause you need it when dark dealing) and better magicka sustain (you have great magicka skills and magicka translates into stam sustain anyway). Heavy is much more synergistic with sorc than medium is, solo pvp is about using strong sets and synergies to cover the needs of your class and making a consistent build that is capable of dealing with many different situations, not flash roleplay.
Suggestions:
Get rid of bone pirate, use master dw.
If you want a very good build, go heavy and drop the bow. 2h/dw - troll king, master dw backbar, viper frontbar with willows/7th on the body, steed mundus and artaeum/orzorga is one of the best no cp builds.
If you really want to stay medium, the build above with willows and orzorga is solid.
2. In organised groups your job is to do just 1 thing your build is meant to do, you dont have to worry about overextension or self-sufficiency. In a small group, if you fail - the group fails, but its a lot harder to fail in a group than it is solo, and if your group is large enough you can just get carried for the most part. But whatever, point is that solo is very different and generally much more demanding than group pvp.
TLDR: everything is terrible and holy **** thats a huge wall of text
How you getting 15k tooltip on vigor with willows, 7th, troll king and heavy? How high recovery do you have?
OP has the power to nerf cloak in their own hands.,
Choosing to not use any of the counters to cloak is just that.
I enjoy pulling NBs out of cloak and watching them wither and die. The counters work very well.