Should carrying a scroll give you an achievement?

Derbforgaill · December 2018

I've been playing this game for almost 3 years. And I've been PvPing since I was level 12 or 13. However, yesterday was the first time I carried a scroll! We didn't have any fighting in the way, which was slightly disappointing, but at least that means that my first carry was a success.

Once I deposited the scroll in the temple I could not believe that I did not get an achievement. This game gives you achievements for some really silly things (e.g.: death by a slaughterfish), but it does not give you an achievement for carrying a scroll for the first time? C'mon!

What do you all think, should carrying a scroll successfully give you an achievement?

Sacredx · December 2018

Thorough knowledge of game mechanics and using this to pvp effectively is the biggest achievement of them all. This is what makes people keep coming back to play the game, not some title, rank or achievement.

If you feel like you have done a good job then you have done just that, nothing else should matter.

Derbforgaill · December 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Thorough knowledge of game mechanics and using this to pvp effectively is the biggest achievement of them all. This is what makes people keep coming back to play the game, not some title, rank or achievement.

If you feel like you have done a good job then you have done just that, nothing else should matter.

While I get the feeling of your message, the truth is the achievements are there for a reason. Humans love to feel rewarded, even for silly things in games. So when you do something that to you feels like a great achievement, and the game chooses to not give you a reward, it can feel a bit disappointing. Am I still happy I did it? Hell yes. But that doesn't mean it would have been even more awesome should I have obtained an achievement...

Sacredx · December 2018

Lets just say that I would far more enjoy a good game with no achievements. My statement above is real and is irrespective of the game. A personal opinion.

laksikus · December 2018

im for an achievment. but its hard to nit make it abusable.

i capped over 50 scrolls. some if them solo some of them with my group. but i only brought about half of them back myself cos i couldnt be bothered to run all the way and dropped it once it was safe in my alliances territory.

so who gets the achievment. the guy that does all the work and picks up the scroll for the first time? the guy that hands it in? thy guy that runs the most way with it?

all of them are exploitable in their own way, so it would be difficult to get a valid achievment for it

IndorilArwynLlethran · December 2018

A guild or guilds do all the job to open the gates, fight through defence and... one idiot takes the scroll, runs as slow as it ever possible, he doesn't know where to go, he is "first time here", he doesn't drop the scroll being asked for, he ignores zone chat and wispers or only asks for scroll quest share, etc. And he falls from rocks/bridge to lava/Niben river. Or he luckely dies not on Alessia bridge, another player takes the scroll, our precious idiot waits for 15 mnts for someone to rez him, then he finally rezes himself somewhere and starts whining in zone "why did you let me die? why did take my scroll?"

You want tons of this sort of players with every scroll raid? I do not.

PS: and just imagine that lagfest at scroll temples. 2 FPS

efster · December 2018

Absolutely not. There's already enough scroll trolling; this would have people getting on opposite faction characters to achievement-farm and/or grief (or both). Not to mention even more tryhards in zone crying to go for scrolls when nobody needs or wants them.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · December 2018

It should give you mild cataract

ZarkingFrued · December 2018

Of course it should

Derbforgaill · December 2018

laksikus wrote: »

im for an achievment. but its hard to nit make it abusable.

i capped over 50 scrolls. some if them solo some of them with my group. but i only brought about half of them back myself cos i couldnt be bothered to run all the way and dropped it once it was safe in my alliances territory.

so who gets the achievment. the guy that does all the work and picks up the scroll for the first time? the guy that hands it in? thy guy that runs the most way with it?

all of them are exploitable in their own way, so it would be difficult to get a valid achievment for it

That is true. One way to avoid abuse would be to cap it so that you only get the achievement if you pick up the scroll at the keep and leave it at the temple (for own scrolls) or at another keep (for other alliances scrolls). Furthermore, you could do it a once in a character achievement: successfully re-took a scroll (own) & successfully stole a scroll (other alliance) so that people don't fight for it so much.

We already have the issue of people who barely understand how PvP & scrolls work, so while scroll achievements may exacerbate the issue a bit, I don't think it would get that bad.

gepe87 · December 2018

Running around towers with scrolls should give you a achievement as well. And farm ppl with it in AD tower near Mnem Temple too.

NBrookus · December 2018

No. The person running a scroll should be very fast and hopefully also reasonably tanky. Not someone trying to check a checkbox next to an achievement.

redspecter23 · December 2018

I'd prefer if this game gave fewer achievements so the ones we do have will hold more meaning. My feelings on this are not exclusive to this game but are shared for all games. I greatly disagree with giving "trophies" for doing things that will just plain happen anyway.

Reached level 10! Have an achievement!
Level 20? Wow, that was a rough 40 minutes, have another!
Whoa, hold up. You finished Fungal Grotto 1 on normal? Well that's worth an achievement too!
You clicked "E" on that scroll thingy and walked for a while? Grats!

Maryal · December 2018

NO. I've seen too many times where one person gets the scroll and runs it 3/4 of the way to the home keep, drops it intentionally so their friend can pick it up and carry it the rest of the way.

Turelus · December 2018

Personally I don't think it should have an achievement.

Once something becomes an achievement it becomes less about group play and tactics and more about people trying to get said achievement.
I prefer gameplay where it's about making the best tactical choices such as who is best suited to run a scroll than something where everyone is trying to screw their team mates just to get an achievement.

DeadlyRecluse · December 2018

I assume it ISN'T an achievement to prevent hordes of pugs from beelining it to scrolls "for the achievement" whenever a scroll is in play.

...that being said, it is really quite odd how getting eaten by fish is an achievement, but carrying or returning an elder scroll isn't.

leeux · December 2018

I voted no, because taking a scroll is a team effort... so unless you give out the achievement to every person that participated in the scroll run, or scouted ahead, or sacrificed themselves staying to fight to slow down the pursuit, etc., it would be unfair...

I not saying the person carrying it doesn't deserve the reward, because knowing how to run a scroll is important, it's just that him/her by just themselves wouldn't have been able to accomplish the goal at all... unless is a totally dead campaign with no one else defending.

zyk · December 2018

No. It would make it so even more players who shouldn't carry a scroll pick up the scroll without support or a plan. That already happens too often.

Knootewoot · December 2018

zyk wrote: »

No. It would make it so even more players who shouldn't carry a scroll pick up the scroll without support or a plan. That already happens too often.

This. Achievements are for PvE peasants. As soon as you tag an achievement on scroll carrying, they demand a PvP free scroll.

That, and the above reason.

Valen_Byte · December 2018

Too late, 4/5 years ago this would have been proper but not now.

AverageJo3Gam3r · December 2018

Make it an achievement, rewarded to all players present at the scroll temple when it’s turned in. Have 1, 10, and 25 scroll caps per achievement tier. Have a matching scroll defense achievement to mitigate scroll swapping abuse.

Iskras · December 2018

Sure and a outfit

PVP need best rewards.

Ghostbane · December 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

No. The person running a scroll should be very fast and hopefully also reasonably tanky. Not someone trying to check a checkbox next to an achievement.

YAR!

Derbforgaill · December 2018

Iskras wrote: »

Sure and a outfit

PVP need best rewards.

Or maybe a memento you could activate, that gives you a scroll in your back (differentiable from the real one to avoid confusion). I like it!

AverageJo3Gam3r · December 2018

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Sure and a outfit

PVP need best rewards.

Or maybe a memento you could activate, that gives you a scroll in your back (differentiable from the real one to avoid confusion). I like it!

You can’t use mementos in pvp

Ruckly · December 2018

I have run the scroll on two different toons. I did it for my faction not for an achievement. If you add an achievement there will be a line-up to run the scroll. People will start arguing over who should run the scroll when it should be the guy who would normally run it anyways.

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