What dps can I expect/be expected to dish out (pve) on a magDK, on AU ping...

Poppleop · December 2018

I'm new to the intricacies of the combat system...hell, until recently I was being lazy and almost exclusively used a single weapon slot!
But I've changed. Using both weapon bars consistently now, and I've noticed my measly 9(ish)K dps, has gone up to a staggeringdisappointing 10k on average. I can MAYBE get 15k out if the game stays responsive enough over a long enough period, but that's still half of what I've heard is ideal. My gear isn't 'bis', but still appropriately statted so numbers this low feel so wrong.

I can see to make the most of my DPS potential I need to be effectively juggling buffs/debuffs and fitting in filler etc. but on a permanent 300+ping I barely ever get things to go off when I want them to. So I'm asking what kind of dps are other Australian's managing (and how).

Mr_Walker · December 2018

I've found slowing it down a little helps, otherwise, with my good old Aussie ping, bar swaps don't happen, skills don't fire, and all of a sudden I'm wtf. I also simplify my rotation a bit, so razor caltrops and endless hail for aoe and dot, then front bar for DW skills.

I'll take the hit in order to get it working nicely, so I'm a bit slow and deliberate, but I'm not going for leaderboards or anything.

Narvuntien · December 2018

I am doing about 30K on 300 ping... I have never got close to 55K

how the hell do you do it?

I am using Grothdar (but Zaan and Skoria as also good) monster helm. Burning Spellweave (BSW) and Silks of the Sun. I have an infused Inferno Sun staff back bar and a sharpened inferno Sun staff front bar, infused is probably better on both though I just bought the sharpened one months ago when it was the meta. Silks of the sun you can buy and you don't have to farm. If you don't have BSW the crafted set Law of Julianos is also very good (I have pretty much identical dps when I use it) and you can get someone to make it for you.

Put all of your stat points into Magicka because Silks gives you hp (or Skoria) which will be enough. Use the Drink Witchmothers Brew. It took me many months to realise there was such a thing as a food/drink buff so if you didn't know you'll want that.

I have some Siriora gear lying around I have heard its better but I am pretty sure that it's not so much better for me to mess up my build (i'd have to lose BSW since my staves are sun and I'd have to lose my gold jewellery that I bought from Golden)

So with Magdk its all about settling into a nice rotation and fitting in one or two heavy attacks into that rotation when you get low of resources. The Alchemist passive that gives longer potion uptime is really important as well as well as all the relevant passives, also remember to have spell power potions, for magdk your magicka resource is so tight so you can't skim on magicka regen and use the trash potions you pick up.

Bar set up

Bar 1: Engulfing flames (10s), Burning embers (12s), Molten Whip (Spam), Harness magicka/ Blockade of fire (8s), Inner light. Elemental rage (7s)

Bar 2: Eruption (18s), Blockade of fire, Flames of oblivion (15s), Elemental Drain (24s), Inner light, Dragonknight standard (25s)

Notice how long each ability lasts (in brackets) your goal is to keep all of those damage over time abilities all running at the same time. So you go through a rotation to keep them up. It takes practice but you get into a really nice rhythm eventually.

On a target dummy I swap blockade of fire from the back bar to the front bar so that I only have to weapon swap half the time, because 300 ping, as well as annoying weapon swap bugs that mean that I get a lot of dps loss if I am weapon swapping every 8s. In group content, your healer will use elemental drain so you can drop that.

To get out of the weapon swap bug you press block before casting your next ability that seems to fix it but its annoying as hell.

Sparr0w · December 2018

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

Joxer61 · December 2018

Brissy here, and I play with a steady 380 lat.....as people mentioned just need to no spam and slow down and such. Why is Australia in the dark ages when it come to internet, I have no clue. But yea, its doable and you can do pretty decent, just trying at times.

NoMoreChillies · December 2018

OC ping used to be 180 at launch.

ZOS routes OC thru netherlands and ignores our pleas

SupremeRissole · December 2018

Xbox NA in Brisbane on ADSL2+ internet and getting mid 40's to mid 50's depending on the class. It's possible to hit hard in Aus just takes knowing how to compensate for the lag with a lot of practice.

robpr · December 2018

I'm pulling 40k on a dummy in perfect conditions. In a trial its about 35-37k due to fps drop.

SaintSubwayy · December 2018

Well solo, with optimal gear setup you can hit up to 55K on a 3 mio dummy.

In a raid setup, with a great uptime of debuffs and buffs you can hit up to 72k

But these number are quite at the top of the range, if you arent into progressive endgame PVE content, just aim to get 35k+ solo, and you should get up to arround 50k in a raid (lets say the mage as example)

Lutallo · December 2018

From Australia on NA Xbox, can pull 54k on magdk this update (5Siroria, 5Strategist, 2Zahh).

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2018

robpr wrote: »

I'm pulling 40k on a dummy in perfect conditions. In a trial its about 35-37k due to fps drop.

You need to have a talk with the support in your raid. Raid DPS (even with lag) should be consistently above dummy DPS. This won’t necessarily hold on every fight, but on any stack and burn fight, you should be pulling at least 10% more (well more if your raid is fully optimized).

Poppleop · December 2018

Cheers for all the feedback guys - will trying slowing it down and focusing on the more important aspects of my rotation...and seems like, despite what I said about "appropriately statted", that I have to have a much closer look at what I'm putting on.

Protossyder · December 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

Sparr0w · December 2018

Protossyder wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

@Sparr0w

With thief, witchmother, infused spell strat staff with flame enchant, infused maelstrom with magicka absorb enchant, 2xbloodthirty 1xarcane, "normal" cp (around 1,5k in pen), ele drain, vampire, and the normal bar setup (lash|embers|engulfing|eledrain|inner|destro ult; FoO|trap|blockade|eruption|inner|standard)?

Yeah but enchant wise had flame/shock for a little cheese & whip rather than lash. Also wasn't a vamp since PTS starts you as a WW and I cba to cure & level vamp.

Rotation was the standard 5 lash>engulfing>embers>blockade>2 lash>erupt>foo>trap>engulfing>embers>blockade>repeat

CP:
61 elf
64 ele
24 erosion
11 staff
66 maa
44 thaum

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494467103907119106/520181667957309460/JPEG_20181204_230609.png

53k was 1 blood with absorb glyph, 56k was 2 blood with shock glyph.

Yes I use a controller, can't get used to keyboard and mouse

SaintSubwayy · December 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

@Sparr0w

With thief, witchmother, infused spell strat staff with flame enchant, infused maelstrom with magicka absorb enchant, 2xbloodthirty 1xarcane, "normal" cp (around 1,5k in pen), ele drain, vampire, and the normal bar setup (lash|embers|engulfing|eledrain|inner|destro ult; FoO|trap|blockade|eruption|inner|standard)?

Yeah but enchant wise had flame/shock for a little cheese & whip rather than lash. Also wasn't a vamp since PTS starts you as a WW and I cba to cure & level vamp.

Rotation was the standard 5 lash>engulfing>embers>blockade>2 lash>erupt>foo>trap>engulfing>embers>blockade>repeat

CP:
61 elf
64 ele
24 erosion
11 staff
66 maa
44 thaum

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494467103907119106/520181667957309460/JPEG_20181204_230609.png

53k was 1 blood with absorb glyph, 56k was 2 blood with shock glyph.

Yes I use a controller, can't get used to keyboard and mouse

well console again...the "problem" is that you have no acces to your Fightstats, like ppl have on PC with Combat metrics.

Would be interessting for you, since shock glyph proccs Concussion, therefore the target takes 8% more dmg -> uptime is important to fully understand the stats.

Same goes for the Kritluck you can get

For example nightblade...when all executes Krit, then the DPS is inflated drasticly...

or when you have a 55% rate avg. but your LA and Whip kritted for 70% of the hits, its gona inflate DPS, and ofc other way arround.
Same goes for standart of might...when you get an avg. Kritrate of 80% during the time your standart is up, its gona inflate DPS.

Unfortunatley there is no way arround that, and you cannot control kritluck, unless you get 100% kritrate all the time, and Debuff uptimes can vary aswell pretty hard.

PC masterrace confirmed once again

Sparr0w · December 2018

@SaintSubwayy Yeah console need some love definitely. Think I saved the parse in combat metrics so will be able to have a look later, can't have too many addons enabled tho otherwise it becomes a slideshow

Know what you mean with crit luck too, average console parse with magblade is 57-58k but when executes crit and zaan procs easy to pass 60k

Joxer61 · December 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqSdNy6G6Lk

Protossyder · December 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

@Sparr0w

With thief, witchmother, infused spell strat staff with flame enchant, infused maelstrom with magicka absorb enchant, 2xbloodthirty 1xarcane, "normal" cp (around 1,5k in pen), ele drain, vampire, and the normal bar setup (lash|embers|engulfing|eledrain|inner|destro ult; FoO|trap|blockade|eruption|inner|standard)?

Yeah but enchant wise had flame/shock for a little cheese & whip rather than lash. Also wasn't a vamp since PTS starts you as a WW and I cba to cure & level vamp.

Rotation was the standard 5 lash>engulfing>embers>blockade>2 lash>erupt>foo>trap>engulfing>embers>blockade>repeat

CP:
61 elf
64 ele
24 erosion
11 staff
66 maa
44 thaum

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494467103907119106/520181667957309460/JPEG_20181204_230609.png

53k was 1 blood with absorb glyph, 56k was 2 blood with shock glyph.

Yes I use a controller, can't get used to keyboard and mouse

@Sparr0w
you were able to sustain without being vampire/absorb glyph? no bubbles? Dunmer, right?
Can't look up the png right now, so no idea what it shows btw

Sparr0w · December 2018

Protossyder wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Im in EU and on the PTS (NA) on an old machine with about 15 fps and a steady 200-250 ping I've managed 56.5k self buffed on a 3m using Zaan/Siroria/Spell Strat.

I also know people with higher ping who pull similar numbers.

Edit: the only skill that gives me trouble is Eruption, I find I have to do a little pause after casting this before doing the next skill.

@Sparr0w

With thief, witchmother, infused spell strat staff with flame enchant, infused maelstrom with magicka absorb enchant, 2xbloodthirty 1xarcane, "normal" cp (around 1,5k in pen), ele drain, vampire, and the normal bar setup (lash|embers|engulfing|eledrain|inner|destro ult; FoO|trap|blockade|eruption|inner|standard)?

Yeah but enchant wise had flame/shock for a little cheese & whip rather than lash. Also wasn't a vamp since PTS starts you as a WW and I cba to cure & level vamp.

Rotation was the standard 5 lash>engulfing>embers>blockade>2 lash>erupt>foo>trap>engulfing>embers>blockade>repeat

CP:
61 elf
64 ele
24 erosion
11 staff
66 maa
44 thaum

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494467103907119106/520181667957309460/JPEG_20181204_230609.png

53k was 1 blood with absorb glyph, 56k was 2 blood with shock glyph.

Yes I use a controller, can't get used to keyboard and mouse

@Sparr0w
you were able to sustain without being vampire/absorb glyph? no bubbles? Dunmer, right?
Can't look up the png right now, so no idea what it shows btw

@Protossyder Yeah was able to sustain by staggering pot and ult, admittedly in a trial I would definitely run absorb magicka glyph back bar

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