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Wonderful events
Veles
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Thank you for these events. Thank you for the collapse of prices for motifes. I hope next time rewards will be legendary jewelry materials, perfected set parts from CR and MSA weapon. Thank you.
Edited by Veles on December 5, 2018 2:23AM 8
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
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I absolutely can't tell if you are sincere or being sarcastic - BRAVO!!!6 -
Matthew_Galvanus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »10/10
I absolutely can't tell if you are sincere or being sarcastic - BRAVO!!!
honestly i am legitimately glad some prices dipped. it let me finally get ahold of a handful of set pieces i've wanted for months4 -
Veles✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I absolutely can't tell if you are sincere or being sarcastic - BRAVO!!!
Sarcasm? no it's almost despair...0 -
Synthwavius✭✭✭✭Also thanks for 500 atoms compensating me for being unable to do the event for 2 days. Oh wait. Not even 500 atoms here0 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for these events. Thank you for the collapse of prices for motifes. I hope next time rewards will be legendary jewelry materials, perfected set parts from CR and MSA weapon. Thank you.
Aside from Bind On Pickup items such as Trials Gear, I absolutely love when the market gets over saturated.
I'll never understand why people feel the need to create such crazy in game economies. Video games are, at least for me, an escape from the real world. I don't need a real world market in my video game where I have to work 5 days a week to afford new shoes.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc5 -
MusekininKanchou✭✭✭But you have to applaud ZOS's courage. A lesser game maker would create an event that steers players away from the more broken feature of their game. ZOS creates an event that relies on one of the most broken features in the game. One that barley works under the best conditions much less when cramming players into it like a meat grinder.1
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Jimmy✭✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »10/10
I absolutely can't tell if you are sincere or being sarcastic - BRAVO!!!
honestly i am legitimately glad some prices dipped. it let me finally get ahold of a handful of set pieces i've wanted for months
@Matthew_Galvanus Which set pieces in particular?0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.3 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
Hear, Hear!PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Speaking selfishly, I should be glad that prices have dropped. ^^ But then there's that thing where motif trade is one of none-too-numerous remaining incentives for people to run vet DLC dungeons, let alone hard modes. I think it would be nice to have more drive for those.0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points1 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Speaking selfishly, I should be glad that prices have dropped. ^^ But then there's that thing where motif trade is one of none-too-numerous remaining incentives for people to run vet DLC dungeons, let alone hard modes. I think it would be nice to have more drive for those.
This is the MO for the game. New dungeons will drop a motif exclusively for between 6 months to a year, then there will be an event that will drop those motifs, bringing the prices down. The people who can run the vDLC HM dungeons are rewarded by being able to do that early on, earning some of the gold back that they spent on upgrading gear, potions, respecs, etc... Then a time later, the market gets a new source, bringing down the price, so that more people have access to them. Sounds like a nearly perfect system to me! I am rather fond of it.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points1 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)
More expensive, sure. But the prices for some items in the game can be pretty out of control.
As an example of crazy pricing. Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, something that is just a random reward that you can get while afking in Battle Grounds, 500k+
Somethings aren't priced according to the difficulty or rarity, simply by demand.
Aside from simple things like Food, or cheap Glyphs when i'm lazy, I do not use Vendors. I only trade or donate within our Guild.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)
More expensive, sure. But the prices for some items in the game can be pretty out of control.
As an example of crazy pricing. Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, something that is just a random reward that you can get while afking in Battle Grounds, 500k+
Somethings aren't priced according to the difficulty or rarity, simply by demand.
Aside from simple things like Food, or cheap Glyphs when i'm lazy, I do not use Vendors. I only trade or donate within our Guild.
It's the hot new item (that actually isn't even that good in content that needs AOE damage, most our DDs in vCR +3 are still doing BSW/MS or MA/MS, tbh) that everybody wants. Demand will cool, the price will come down, already has pretty quickly. With something like that, just farm it yourself then.
Supply and Demand are core economic concepts. in demand? price is high, especially when it is rare, because it just recently dropped (and didn't drop in end of campaign rewards)The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)
More expensive is one thing, but what some people do to manipulate the market is sad and then those same people come here and complain when the market shifts against them. It is just pathetic.
And for the record, you know nothing about my style pf play or what effort I put into my own characters or what I do to help others.
"Sounds like I want something but don't want to put the effort for it"???? Have you ever READ any of my posts? I am probably the LAST person here that calls for a handout.0 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭OMG! My pile of pixel gold isn't growing as fast as it was! Because I must have millions and millions of gold for absolutely no reason! Come on now, I have no interest in gold in this game and have maybe 100k at any given time. Guess what? It affects my gameplay not at all. If I want something, I can farm for it in short order. I do agree its disappointing the vet DLC dungeon motifs were given away free, but that is just because I spent months pug-farming them, nothing to do with the gold cost0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)
More expensive is one thing, but what some people do to manipulate the market is sad and then those same people come here and complain when the market shifts against them. It is just pathetic.
And for the record, you know nothing about my style pf play or what effort I put into my own characters or what I do to help others.
"Sounds like I want something but don't want to put the effort for it"???? Have you ever READ any of my posts? I am probably the LAST person here that calls for a handout.
Sorry, don't keep track of everybody, and everything they've ever posted on the forums.
Some people may manipulate the market... I just sell the stuff at close to the MM price between my 3 trade guilds (1 big, 1 medium, 1 small)
Being able to recoup the several hundred thousand gold i spend to upgrade my armor to legendary makes the 25k I can get from a motif from Fang Lair worth it.
Take away the scarcity (you said "even shot", implying you want EVERYBODY to be able to access them right away), and I lose that incentive to do them at all, even further decentivizing (sp?) from wanting to do that content. It is already a MASSIVE expense to do progression groups of the end-game content. If every single person was able to get Welkynar motifs (for example) that would eliminate a source of income for me.
They already made them "easily accessible" with these events that occur between 6 and 9 months after they are exclusive to the dungeons. What they have now is more than fair. You can pay more (or do the content) to get them early. Or wait for the event to happen, to get them cheap. Then again "I want it immediately, and I want it cheap" seems to be the mantra of the forums these days.
edit for spelling
Edited by tmbrinks on December 5, 2018 4:08PMThe Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points0 -
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✭✭@tmbrinks , I'm not speaking about motifs specifically; motifs is just one of the incentives (and that's why I wonder how it will affect the drive for vDLC dungeons). I just see rather low interest in vDLC (and very few would even bother with hard modes), and if the event drives motif prices down, it would be useful to sit and think what else could be done to boost the interest. If there's no lasting incentive, players will get their clears and won't ever bother again.0 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭kathandira wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
why shouldn't things that are behind difficult content be more expensive? Sounds like you want something but don't want to put in the effort for it. (You don't have to do the content to get them, just something to earn gold, but should have to do something!)
More expensive, sure. But the prices for some items in the game can be pretty out of control.
As an example of crazy pricing. Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, something that is just a random reward that you can get while afking in Battle Grounds, 500k+
Somethings aren't priced according to the difficulty or rarity, simply by demand.
Aside from simple things like Food, or cheap Glyphs when i'm lazy, I do not use Vendors. I only trade or donate within our Guild.
It's the hot new item (that actually isn't even that good in content that needs AOE damage, most our DDs in vCR +3 are still doing BSW/MS or MA/MS, tbh) that everybody wants. Demand will cool, the price will come down, already has pretty quickly. With something like that, just farm it yourself then.
Supply and Demand are core economic concepts. in demand? price is high, especially when it is rare, because it just recently dropped (and didn't drop in end of campaign rewards)
I'm with ya, I understand why people charge what they do, when they do. The fact that they employ these economic standards in a video game is what irks me. It is a game, not the real world, know what I mean? I'm a bit of a hippie in that regard. I'm here to have fun, not feel like i'm working my day job to afford the things I need.
It is what it is though. It happens in all games with a player driven economy.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I'm sorry that you are no longer able to gouge people for extortion level prices on your motifs. it sucks when everyone gets an even shot at things.
Actually it is just supply and demand. You are perfectly capable of acquiring any motif in this game just like any other player. Those motifs are not exclusive to certain players. You just choose not to pursue collecting the motifs for whatever reason. That is fine. Someone else is willing to collect them and sell them to you for a tidy profit. They exchanged their time, which is a very finite resource, to provide you with a motif that you didnt want to spend the time farming yourself.
If you dont want to farm the motif and you dont want to buy the motif, but want to complain about the price of the motif, that says far more about you than the seller who is " price gouging."
FYI in the time it takes to run one of those dungeons with a decent group, i can gather 10-20k in other motifs pretty consistently and that is in the time it takes to blitz them on normal. The extra time and skill required to do it on Vet HM i can farm 30-50k worth of regular motifs. So prices were not unreasonable at all before the event.0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@tmbrinks , I'm not speaking about motifs specifically; motifs is just one of the incentives (and that's why I wonder how it will affect the drive for vDLC dungeons). I just see rather low interest in vDLC (and very few would even bother with hard modes), and if the event drives motif prices down, it would be useful to sit and think what else could be done to boost the interest. If there's no lasting incentive, players will get their clears and won't ever bother again.
I think the issue with the interest is over-saturation. We get 2 dungeon DLCs per year now. Make it 1, and make one of them be a QoL, bug fix, balance change patch. Or just go 4 months between major updates instead of 3 months, and I think they'd be in a lot better place, in my opinion.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points0 -
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✭✭One of the few upsides to the event- catching up on motifs. Got quite a few I won't have to pay for now
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✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »10/10
I absolutely can't tell if you are sincere or being sarcastic - BRAVO!!!
honestly i am legitimately glad some prices dipped. it let me finally get ahold of a handful of set pieces i've wanted for months
@Matthew_Galvanus Which set pieces in particular?
fang lair, scalecaller mainly, since i can't get anyone to run it with me ( i mean who wants to with the *** difficulty?)
so the influx of crafting motifs is means a drop in price (for a little while at least)0