I'd like to see them add more kiosks to the starter zones. There are already several empty carts/stands in those areas, but only one trader. Looks like most of them have room for 2 more traders. If there were at least 3 traders in those areas, it might make it more worthwhile to port there and have a look. Most of them are fairly close to a wayshrine.

I agree with moving some of the traders, esp. those in (technically outside) Riften. Also, the Baandari Trading Post is convenient for the kiosks, but there are no other amenities there. If a bank were added, that would help. And while we're at it, ADD A BANK TO EBONHEART ALREADY.

I don't think ZOS needs to go overboard with adding trader spots as it could result in trader overload. Too many traders, and players will just stick to one or two locations. Also, I think there are enough traders out in the wild. I tend to stop at them if I'm in the area or shopping for something I'm having difficulty finding anywhere, but generally, I stick to the town hubs.

Also, maybe the outlaw refuges could have 2 traders. I generally stop at the guild trader when I'm in the refuge, but I don't generally seek them out. If there were 2 traders, it might make the extra load screen more palatable to go and have a look.

The game needs more guild traders... but the game is also getting more guild traders twice a year.

Could we do with more? Yeah, sure. The game's population is growing, there's a lot of people out there. The guild member limit is fixed (and I suspect cannot be changed.) As a result, there's more trade guilds and more competition for those spaces.

So, yeah, more kiosks would be good. We are getting more, but not, necessarily, fast enough to keep up with the population boom. Some cities could probably squeeze in a few more kiosks, especially base game locations. It could also add some more flavor to some locations in game, and draw people to cities they don't usually frequent.

We will never get a global auction house, devs are dead set against it.

However, what you should be asking for is a Awesome Guild Store, with Advanced Filters interface. That is doable and something they told me last Spring they want to implement.

They do need to add some kiosks to existing locations.

Revamp if altogether

Guilds can only earn gold through purchases not through donations

Add raffles tickets to the kiosk so we can add items to be raffled ... Items must be of a minimum value to be raffled so no raffling potatoes ... But you can raffle say 10 kuta , 10 alloys etc

The game will select the winner to prevent cheating and stacking money

Only allow the purchase of kiosks from money gained through these activities

Also ... Finally a guild must have made a certain amount of in guild trades before it can buy a kiosk to prevent new guilds being made just to place multiple bids on the same trader

I think we need a plane of oblivion, access to which is sold in the crown store as a dlc...

In the center of this would be a wayshrine. Circling around this wayshrine would be small sister kiosks to the kiosks that are found in Nirn. Priority to distance from wayshrine would be the highest bids. But it wouldn't just be the winning bids. With this system in place every guild that bid would have their bid money taken and they would receive a spot based on the amount spent.

Say 4 guilds bid on one of the Rawl location. The winning bid was 15m gold, it wins and get's the kiosk in Rawl, but also a kiosk in the plane. Since it was they highest bid of all of the nirn locations it would be the first one and closest you see when porting in. The 3 other bids, which would currently be considered losing, would still not have a nirn kiosk, but they would have one in the plane. Say one of the other bids was 14m, so it would still get a relatively good spot close to the shrine in the plane. The other 2 bids say they were 10k, they would be among the furthest kiosks from the wayshrine.

This would ensure every guild could have a place, even though most may not want to go out to the 10k section. It would also ensure a rival guild/ghost guild couldn't completely cut you off from sales. I really feel this would cut down on the sleezyness that ends up taking place with the current system. It would also allow us to save time going from one location to the next loading in and out trying to find an item. We still have to search, just no more load screens every 5-6 traders. ZOS would make money with it being sold as DLC. And it doesn't remove the gold sink aspect of the current system as people are still going to want both the best spot in nirn and now the best spot in the oblivion plane as well. I really see this as a Win-Win-Win and probably easy to implement.

There's enough traipsing around and convoluted searching as it is, we don't need any more kiosks to add to the tedium.

I'd rather revamp the system. Although my personal view is that such a core part of any MMO as the trading system shouldn't be locked behind restrictions like guild membership and then further restricted by an artificial bidding process (which is actually an auction system and as such incompatible with the wishes of all those opposed to an auction house!), we are where we are and some players like the present system so I'd retain it but suitably revamped.

Buyers should be able to search properly for items centrally, and either go to the remote kiosk to collect their purchase or else pay extra to have it delivered in the mail. EQ2 players will be familiar with such a system and it works well there.

Sellers should have access to a NPC merchant in the main trading locations through whom a small number of items could be listed at a high rate of commission that would be shared between the guilds trading in those locations. It would open up trading to casual traders who can't, or prefer not to, join trading guilds as well as members of those guilds that were unsuccessful in that week's kiosk auctions.

The tutorial could include a quest introducing new players to the NPC merchant in their starting city, and ultimately introducing the concept of trading guilds.

As a PS4 user (no add ons like pc) the guild trader system is a cool system in theory. I get it sticks to the lore of the game. But there is a few quality of life changes that should happen.

1) a search function. Finding anything without an add on is so freaking difficult and annoying. 90% of the time it just makes me wanna quit the game when I need 1 thing.

2) buying a trader isn't the problem. I think that system should stay the same except when you buy a trader it should also be entered into a world trader. (So that way if I'm looking for a motif I can go to the main trader board and search it out without going to 20 zones and not finding one. Again this isn't a problem on PC they have an add on that shows where all the items are and what the different prices are.)

3) a combination of both 1 and 2 by maybe if they don't wanna work it out themselves just pay the people that made the add on to make it for console too!

In sum there is so much to do on this game I shouldn't have to spend 4-5 hours going zone to zone in "incredibly long load times" with no actual search function to find one item. Quality of life people we went over a year before we got text chat! We don't live in the stoneages anymore please understand it's a game and it should be a time sink into playing content not running around every City to find a particular item.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

nerfworthy wrote: »

Are you seriously in here advocating for FFXIV's market system... theirs is one of the worst IMO. Leave guild traders as is, I love it. It's unique and makes trading an adventure instead of standing at 1 board all the time.

Yes I am.

It's not the worst...

Well that's high praise. "Final Fantasy's Auction House, not the worst idea in MMO development, but it's right up there!"

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In ESO I'd be lucky to make 1 sale a week.

Too bad it's only your opinion, man.

This is on you. I've cleared almost 4 million in sales in a single day before. This is on a kiosk out in the hinterlands of the Dominion. If your stuff isn't selling, either there's no demand, you're asking too much, or both. No one's going to pay you 25k for your Aldmeri Dominion Shields Motif now, the market just isn't there anymore. To say nothing of your Pauldrons of the Dragon. Yeah, those just aren't selling because they're useless.

No it's not on me. I am in two trade guilds. I lowball the entire market (about 500 gold less than the lowest price on the market). You assume to much, and have the opinion of an ape.

Classy.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

If I could convert all my FFXIV gil to ESO gold I'd have well over 4 million a day.

And of course these economies are entirely comparable. Which, you know, they're not, because as far as I can tell, farming 1m gil worth of mats in an hour isn't particularly challenging. In ESO, similar farming will yield somewhere in the range of 20-30k. So, if we take these very rough values... if you could convert your gil to gold, you'd be pulling down somewhere in the range of 130k per day... which, you know what? Yeah, that's an entirely possible goal if you're an active trader.

Now, I'll grant you, it's hard to compare the economies between two games if you don't play both, but I can assure you, the value of gold in ESO is not a 1:1 ratio with gil.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

The current economy in this game is oligarchic...

Not what that word means, but I can't be bothered so, moving on.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

...and doesn't really cater to casual traders...

Again, this is incorrect, it doesn't cater to casual sellers. That's by design.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

...and those who are not willing to put up with the nuisance of guild fees, donations, and whatever get-rich-quick schemes these GMs dream up.

Or you could find, you know, good guilds. They do exist.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

For instance, I've been to some of the guild houses of multiple trading guilds, of which I used to be part. They were stocked with all the high end furnishings, yet were still asking for fees on top of the transaction and listing fees. I asked the GMs why they ask for fees, they said it was because they can't compete with other guilds that bid higher on traders.

So it's a get rich quick scheme because they need the money to make rent... that's not how any of that works.

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I responded by asking them how much of their home's decorating could outbid the competition next week? No answer.

Right. Because we know how aggressive statues are about bidding for specific guild traders... wait, what?

Or you're complaining because they were collecting attunable stations, which make the guild more attractive to prospective members, and chose to be tactless in your discussion on the subject.

Personally hate the guild trader system. Would much rather have an auction house with everything centralized and a search function so that I don't have to waste 2 hours traveling, dealing with load screens and going thru possibly hundreds of unneeded items, trying desperately to find 1 god forsaken thing only to inevitably give up the search. Add-ons on PC help but for console users, there's no such thing and it's honestly the worst thing about the guild trader system, right next to large trader guilds monopolizing all the good locations.