Is PvP dead in ESO?

technohic · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Its struggling. Controls unresponsive and getting worse year after year and mist effective play is stack up and spam abilities on one bar and just run back and forth over top of players hoping to secure a kill. Can debate the legitimacy if the playstyle all you want, but if you ever step back at a distance and watch, you can see where it's not exactly compelling gameplay. It us however; the most effective method given how broken the game is.

Talking to a guilty last night; he made a good point. There just isn't money to be made in PVP so I wouldn't count on any changes.

Gilvoth · December 2018

no it's not dead.
bias pole choices.

Arthg · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

no it's not dead.
bias pole choices.

Telling someone their "pole" is biased - I mean, how... This is beyond the pale.

Arandear · December 2018

Hmmm, I spend the majority of my time PvPing in ESO, I actually DO think BG's are somewhat dead. They often seem VERY imbalanced. Open world however I feel is in a good state, disregarding the performance of Vivec which is at it's worst and absolutely disgusting at the moment. Can't help but feel ZOS should be doing more regarding the performance of their PvP Server.

Lylith · December 2018

been dead to me since the murkmire nerf update.

ymmv.

ATomiX96 · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Whoever says that pvp is in a healthy state is either a troll or a zergsurfer / zergling.
Also to people that say that pvp hasnt been as good as it is right now are out of their mind or just playing for a few months.

Juhasow · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Sergykid wrote: »

never on PC EU stood more than 5 mins in que for BGs. Usually it joins up in 1-2 mins.

Lucky You. Or low MMR participant.

Starlight_Knight · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

its not dead.. However, i have lost a few friends so far because of infuriating things like lag and cheap no skill wins.
Makes me sad to see it going downhill.

pod88kk · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Definitely on the way out, but the pve people are propping it up for the moment with the search for Spell Strategist gear

MaxwellC · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

@TheRealSniker
Quite sure a few pointed it out but name shaming isn't gonna sit well with the forum moderators so I'd advise you to censor it.

Kova · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Its dying at a slow rate, but it's not because of performance or salty players.

Its because we as a community wanted it to be something it was never going to be, a fun experience that allows for unique competitive play that's always fair and balanced, even for casual players.

It easily hits each of these points at different times, but never at once. So you have casual players not getting kills or completing objectives because of a power gap, you have competitive players getting tired of fighting the same old unbalanced meta that's been around for years now, and a lot of people aren't having fun like they use to.

Eso pvp is usnsure of what it wants to be.

Does it want to be an esport with intuitive combat? No, that would shut out casual players, but it will gladly pretend there's a skill level behind the armor sets.

Does it want to be a big AvA warzone with responsive gameplay? No, that's way too much on the megaservers, but it'll imitate a large battle by using pinch points that still stress the servers.

Maybe eso pvp was just suppose to be a fun time set to elder scrolls lore and we've taken it waaaaay too seriously.

Drdeath20 · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Far too much wrong to actually have a competitive and somewhat balanced pvp experience on eso but for right its easy to get AP, its mildy fun, and theres stuff worth farming for.

idk · December 2018

A significant number of the strong players that did not leave the game early in 2014 left no long after the game was a year old. Most of those that hung on in hope or came back and tried the game left once more so Cyrodiil already had a major bleed off early on. Is had ben a skeleton of itself for a long time.

Not sure how many know but the pop caps are significantly smaller than they were originally. So when you see a campaign full now just know that is a fraction of the number of players we used to have in a major campaign and we used to have more than one strong campaign.

DanteYoda · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

I always turn into angry german kid when i pvp, because my ping and the community is generally garbage...

So i learnt years ago to avoid it completely, in four to five years i've never once done ESO pvp..

Kalante · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

well solo play is dead thats for sure

Gilvoth · December 2018

Arthg wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

no it's not dead.
bias pole choices.

Telling someone their "pole" is biased - I mean, how... This is beyond the pale.

bi·as
[ˈbīəs]
NOUN
prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

the only choices we have point to a specific line of thinking that is his alone and are insulting to zenimax devs.
the choice i answered by, was not on the list

IE:
"pvp is not dying."

was not a choice, his choices are infact bias geared to his personal point of view, because,
he only allows choices that point towards a failing pvp system in eso.
when infact, it is not dying.
and that, is biased.

Edit:
and just in case there is question as to the last choice in the pole, where it states as a choice:

"ESO PvP is in a healthy state"

the following is my rebuttal or, refute or, negate:

"at the time this thread and my comment was made, the OP had pictures, showing reference to an agenda, that bad things were afoot in cryodiil, and battlegrounds, (even though there could be many pictures showing another point of belief) by picture references.
"hinting, that the last choice of "ESO PvP is in a healthy state" was meant as an insult, that if someone chose that choice they would have to not be aware of the bad things he has in the OP as reference that pvp was "all bad" "

"all of this indicating that pvp was dying if you go by his pictures and influence of the thread start Alone, and, is what my comment was based on."

Gilvoth · December 2018

Kalante wrote: »

well solo play is dead thats for sure

i Strongly disagree with you about that.
i solo play daily now for several years in eso, "daily"
and also:
@Sypher was just doing a livestream on eso recently and it proved that solo play is alive and well.
he even made reference to solo play multiple times in the stream selling eso as if it was a product he was proud of.
and i whole-heartedly agree with his sentiments
so i have to disagree with you, solo play is most assure alive and well in pvp in cryodiil.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

not rly dead...its been dying from day 1 of the game when devs refused to focus on their best game part and instead focused on RP snowflakes who left the game anyway...so instead of having a top game with solid pvp and stable high population they now have only a handful of snowflaking RP with minimal pvp activity on a broken map...that's just it...recipe for failure witnessed since day 1...also the pvp its in a terminal cancer state so yeah at some point we will put the nails in the coffin.

eso_lags · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Unbearable lag is pvps biggest issue but ya it is 100% dying. On xbox, for example, there was a time where every night at prime time every campaign (besides azuras star or whatever its called now) was pop locked. Now the under lv 50 camp looks dead every time i look, shor is usually dead except for weekends and sometimes at prime time, and vivec is populated but usually unplayable.

And even vivcec isnt always pop locked. Things have definitely changed and a lot less people are playing in cyrodil. You could blame some of this on BGs but i think people, for the most part, are just sick of the performance. Its just unplayable most of the time..

Coming from a small scale perspective, my 2 choices on a normal night are to either go into a dead shor campaign run by one alliance, or go into vivec where all my skills have extreme delays and i can barely play. This is normal for a lot of people and im guessing most people, like myself, just dont bother to go in.

ZarosA · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

It is dying and will continue to die

Mr_Walker · December 2018

Well documented performance issues aside, part of the problem is, despite the intent being "it's one game", it's really two. You need different gear and different skills for PvP vs PvE. So your options are to either have dedicated toons, or if you have a single, favourite, or main toon, respec it every time you want to play PvP, (or vice versa).

Bit of a dogs breakfast, really.

lokulin · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

Not an avid PvPer but since Murkmire killed my build I can't be bothered adapting yet again just to put up with the lag, load screens and endless riding in circles that cyrodiil offers. Battlegrounds is less fun too. Feel like I'm not the only one either.

Ragnarock41 · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

PvP died the day they killed the performance.

eso_lags · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

well solo play is dead thats for sure

i Strongly disagree with you about that.
i solo play daily now for several years in eso, "daily"
and also:
@Sypher was just doing a livestream on eso recently and it proved that solo play is alive and well.
he even made reference to solo play multiple times in the stream selling eso as if it was a product he was proud of.
and i whole-heartedly agree with his sentiments
so i have to disagree with you, solo play is most assure alive and well in pvp in cryodiil.

Your sig says it all. PC NA. For those of us on console solo is pretty much dead. Sure, i still go and solo but its like hitting a brick wall. Like i said in my last post i can either play in a dead campaign or play in a camp where desync and lag make playing unbearable.. My skills are unresponsive 50% of the time, that is a massive issue. But crashing, freezing, glitching players, and so much more...

And thats just when im actually getting a decent fight.. Most of the time its just me getting trampled, like mufasa, by 30 people.. But thats how it is now. Everyone just balls up because the performance is so bad. Lots of players who i used to see trying to solo/small group i now see in zergs or large groups. We can thank the terrible performance for that.

Its all a cycle. Poor performance leads to less people playing in cyrodil, which leads to one campaign being populated and others being dead, which leads to even more poor performance, which leads to more people balling up because they cant play effectively anyway so why not get some help..

I actually saw that stream last night. Its funny, i came in right around the time you're talking about. Im not sure how long he was playing but he was having issues with lag too. Its not just console but im pretty sure console gets it worse. Either way i agree with a lot of what he said. The combat in this game is so amazing compared to other mmos, but the performance is awful..

Zelos · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

It's dead, too far gone:)

Juhasow · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

well solo play is dead thats for sure

i Strongly disagree with you about that.
i solo play daily now for several years in eso, "daily"
and also:
@Sypher was just doing a livestream on eso recently and it proved that solo play is alive and well.
he even made reference to solo play multiple times in the stream selling eso as if it was a product he was proud of.
and i whole-heartedly agree with his sentiments
so i have to disagree with you, solo play is most assure alive and well in pvp in cryodiil.

Since I dont want to look for that clip let me guess what sypher was playing on. Stamina nightblade with procs ? Definietly proff solo PvP is not dead....

Finviuswe · December 2018

I've been saying it's dying for years now.

zyk · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

Compared to what it used to be, AvA is practically dead at every level. I very much resent ZOS for letting it sink so low.

REdream90 · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Very strange queue time...farmed BG a week and a max time i have waited is 2 minutes...

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

It is dying and it will keep dying unless they improve server performance. No matter what combat or balance changes they introduce, it won't matter simply because there is nothing you can do when the lag kicks in, not to mention the countless bugs. At the moment playing in cyrodiil is a frustrationg experience. Struggling to understand what's happening around you, skills not firing, delays in animations, stuck in combat, loading screens out of nowhere. All these things are the norm at the moment in Cyrodiil and that is making it less appealing for players.