Is this announcement of changing racial passives just a way to make more money?

Kelces · November 2018

Interesting, I'm quite curious how this works out when it truely goes live. Most people like their specialist races and therefore the trial groups always seem to look alike in terms of composition of roles relative to race. There isn't much creativity happening in general with certain sets, armor type, traits and enchantments even without the racial part.

I hope this will provide a bigger incentive to choose something different than now, so certain endangered races get a proper population compared to others.

On the point of ZoS wanting to make more money with this particularly: Maybe, I imagine it was a choice of convenience to put in a different price for race change now. But even if it was planned, nobody is forced to buy anything. If you feel the urge and in a neurotic manner buy (a) token(s), you just need to look in the mirror for the one to blaim.

wolf486 · November 2018

Willing to bet most players choose race based on what they like, not min/maxing. It's why I see magic khajiit and bosmer often. They will sell a few from the extreme min/maxers who need that extra 0.000001% out of a character but most won't care at all.
ESO forums is where a small group cry the loudest about things, it doesn't make up the majority of the ESO community and what they want or care about.

zaria · November 2018

wolf486 wrote: »

Willing to bet most players choose race based on what they like, not min/maxing. It's why I see magic khajiit and bosmer often. They will sell a few from the extreme min/maxers who need that extra 0.000001% out of a character but most won't care at all.
ESO forums is where a small group cry the loudest about things, it doesn't make up the majority of the ESO community and what they want or care about.

They probably earn more with the current system, some wanting to make an magsorc and select Bosmer over Altmer as they find Bosmer to be a bit cuter only to realize the issue in half an year.

If racials get nerfed its unlikely you will earn 1% dps by switching unless ZoS messes up (yes its also an chance)

erlewine · November 2018

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

My Nord magsorc and Redguard magplar applaud you. I can not think of any circumstances that would have me change their race either.

I can think of one.

The circumstance where you want to do more damage.

Defilted · November 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

I doubt that they are trying to steer people towards the tokens. They really don't seem all that concerned about whether people follow the FotM, or whether people spend money to do it. I would imagine that most players don't care.

I agree that the majority of players are not Min/Maxers and just like choosing the race they like for lore or visual preference.

I am a Min/Maxer but I know this is a minority.

f047ys3v3n · November 2018

Sure, races are unbalanced. Redgaurd and Argonian are way too effective and Breton is pretty terrible.

Given how things are typically balanced around here I would prefer leaving well enough alone though.

Not looking forward to balancing by the same people who gave us the morrowind 40% reduction in resources, and a 2/3rds reduction in shield size and the complete removal of NB heals with nerfmire.

Ironically, I don't actually believe that ZOS is going to do this just to make crowns off of race changes. ZOS has been very well behaved with their crown store in general. They do not have a policy of pay to win and those that think they do are off base. I think ZOS genuinely wants to address the significant race imbalance that exists. I just have no faith in their ability. It seems most likely to me that all the current functional races will need to be respeced into the current dysfunctional races than that they well be brought closer to parity.

DMuehlhausen · November 2018

I know they won't, but honestly if they make changes to all the passives they should allow free race changes anyway. With as powerful as the racials are in this game that is almost like making major changes to skills and not refunding skill points.

xxthir13enxx · November 2018

Sorry, I didn’t read the other comments but thought I’d just add...

Yes...

MartiniDaniels · November 2018

Tsssh.. they just count word "argonian", "redguard" in nerf posts and at certain threshold unavoidable doom is coming upon OP exploiters.

IMO they shouldn't nerf redguard and altmer just slightly buff khajits and bosmers and bretons, add some sustain to nords, that's all.

starkerealm · November 2018

Jaimeh wrote: »

I'm scared for my Redguards

Redguards have been overperforming for years. There are players out there who legitimately believe you need to be a Redguard for stam DPS. I know at least one idiot who would kick non-Redguard stams on sight.

Similar issue with Argonians and their potion effect.

Your Redguards will be fine, it's not like they're being changed to a mag race.

brandonv516 · November 2018

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

I won't pay another dime for race changes. I've done at least 4 of them already. If they aren't provided for free and they completely *** on Argonian then I will be done.

Rocki · November 2018

Kelces wrote: »

If you feel the urge and in a neurotic manner buy (a) token(s), you just need to look in the mirror for the one to blaim.

Why would we be the ones to blame, for caring about stats in a game/genre that clearly encourages it? Just because YOU don't care about that aspect of the game, doesn't mean that other people are wrong because THEY care about it. Your opinion about how the game is supposed to be enjoyed is just that, your opinion, and it's not worth more than anyone else's.

starkerealm · November 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

I won't pay another dime for race changes. I've done at least 4 of them already. If they aren't provided for free and they completely *** on Argonian then I will be done.

Yeah... Because if the balances aimed at making sure that Argonians aren't the single best pick for tanking, so that non-Pact players can tank, you're leaving.

Cool.

Kelces · November 2018

Rocki wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

If you feel the urge and in a neurotic manner buy (a) token(s), you just need to look in the mirror for the one to blaim.

Why would we be the ones to blame, for caring about stats in a game/genre that clearly encourages it? Just because YOU don't care about that aspect of the game, doesn't mean that other people are wrong because THEY care about it. Your opinion about how the game is supposed to be enjoyed is just that, your opinion, and it's not worth more than anyone else's.

If you can't control your urge to buy something, who's fault is it?

Rocki · November 2018

Kelces wrote: »

Rocki wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

If you feel the urge and in a neurotic manner buy (a) token(s), you just need to look in the mirror for the one to blaim.

Why would we be the ones to blame, for caring about stats in a game/genre that clearly encourages it? Just because YOU don't care about that aspect of the game, doesn't mean that other people are wrong because THEY care about it. Your opinion about how the game is supposed to be enjoyed is just that, your opinion, and it's not worth more than anyone else's.

If you can't control your urge to buy something, who's fault is it?

Right now, I don't have any desire to buy anything. I put thought into my characters before I created them, I chose the races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill and I'm currently happy with those choices.

Now, ZoS wants to change the racial passives and potentially ruin the time and thought and planning I put into each of my characters. And you think I'm to blame?

What makes you think choosing a race based on the way they look is the 'right' way? Can you not see that for some people, the character model on the screen isn't that important? I don't care that much about whether my character has a tail or grey skin or whatever, I care about what I can actually do with them, playing the game is more important than the way things look.

How can you be so arrogant to think that choosing races based on they look is the correct way and choosing them based on what will actually help you in fulfilling the role you want is wrong?

Kelces · November 2018

Rocki wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

Rocki wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

If you feel the urge and in a neurotic manner buy (a) token(s), you just need to look in the mirror for the one to blaim.

Why would we be the ones to blame, for caring about stats in a game/genre that clearly encourages it? Just because YOU don't care about that aspect of the game, doesn't mean that other people are wrong because THEY care about it. Your opinion about how the game is supposed to be enjoyed is just that, your opinion, and it's not worth more than anyone else's.

If you can't control your urge to buy something, who's fault is it?

Right now, I don't have any desire to buy anything. I put thought into my characters before I created them, I chose the races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill and I'm currently happy with those choices.

Now, ZoS wants to change the racial passives and potentially ruin the time and thought and planning I put into each of my characters. And you think I'm to blame?

What makes you think choosing a race based on the way they look is the 'right' way? Can you not see that for some people, the character model on the screen isn't that important? I don't care that much about whether my character has a tail or grey skin or whatever, I care about what I can actually do with them, playing the game is more important than the way things look.

How can you be so arrogant to think that choosing races based on they look is the correct way and choosing them based on what will actually help you in fulfilling the role you want is wrong?

I'm simply having fun, without having to use a "b.i.s." or "meta" setup. If you can't do that, tough. Welcome to the world of MMO's.

Your opening argument was, that Zenimax is supposedly about to bring certain changes to race passives to make more money through race changes. So again: Who is forcing you to buy those tokens?

Tell me...