Help With DPS Increase

Rontabs77 · November 2018

Hello All,

I am really wanting to increase my DPS by increasing my HA damage but I'm not sure how. My current DPS is 25K+ but my HA DPS is very low. I have seen parses where the HA damage is at 6K and 3K (2 entries in combat metrics). I am currently using Siroria (not perfect), but should I be using Infallible Mage instead to help with HA damage? Also, someone had advised me that Maelstrom staff will help, which I know it will for sure, but Maelstrom staff is my last option as it is very hard to get.

Here is my build:

And here is my parse:

Best regards,
Rontabs

WuffyCerulei · November 2018

Do definitely gold out your backbar staff and give it either a shock or absorb magicka enchant.

Kikke · November 2018

Change necro for something else like netch, julianos, spell strat, elegant etc.

Since you don't have a vma staff make sure to use that for 100% uptime for your secound (5) set bonus.

Apart from that, whats your rotation like?

kaithuzar · November 2018

All your gear should be gold, especially staff/weapons
.
Your cp is completely jacked.
You should have:
66 master at arms
27 elemental expert
~56 for the crit dmg one
~50-60 for penetration
Some in staff expert
IMO if you put any in thaumaturge you want 75 or nothing & since I don’t think you can set bosses off balance I chose nothing

I would swap necro for amberplasm or bright throats & use all infused spell dmg glyphs on jewelry

Maybe try either atro mundus if you need sustain or if not use spell penetration mundus (lover mundus)

I haven’t done pve in a while so I’m not sure about siroria & zann, do you think that’s a better combo than scathing & molag kena? Or maybe do siroria & skoria?

Sparr0w · November 2018

kaithuzar wrote: »

All your gear should be gold, especially staff/weapons
.
Your cp is completely jacked.
You should have:
66 master at arms
27 elemental expert
~56 for the crit dmg one
~50-60 for penetration
Some in staff expert
IMO if you put any in thaumaturge you want 75 or nothing & since I don’t think you can set bosses off balance I chose nothing

I would swap necro for amberplasm or bright throats & use all infused spell dmg glyphs on jewelry

Maybe try either atro mundus if you need sustain or if not use spell penetration mundus (lover mundus)

I haven’t done pve in a while so I’m not sure about siroria & zann, do you think that’s a better combo than scathing & molag kena? Or maybe do siroria & skoria?

you know this is a heavy attack pet build right? Where literally everything is aoe or dot...

Sparr0w · November 2018

Questions:

1. What's your rotation
2. Why are you using max mag & stam food?
3. Are you using potions? (Should be using spell damage, spell crit, restore mag, mag regen)
4. Are you weaving?

Suggestions:

1. Swap the crusher enchant back bar to a shock one, also swap the staff to another necro staff, you want the 5pc active at all times unless you have a vMA staff.
2. CP wise put 75 into thaum, drop master at arms a couple & spell erosion a little to up staff expert.
3. Try Ilambris monster set, Zaan wont proc much on a heavy attack build.
4. Drop bastian CP, it's basically useless now since shields are capped to 40/50% max health

Remember jump points, you want CP to be as low to a whole number as possible since it always rounds down. Note: If 51 in a tree gives exactly 19% you will have to put another in as it will still round down to 18%.

Vildebill · November 2018

Heavy attacking is seldom a big source of damage. I run almost the same gear as you on my pet sorc, but I have a siroria lightning staff instead of necro to have 5 necro all time (which you should have), and backbar maelstrom lightning which you should absolutely get if you want higher HA damage.

Take a look at your champion points as well, you need more in thaumaturge and master at arms.

A lot of crappy advises in this thread, only thing you need to gold out is your weapons, and I wouldn't gold out the julianos staff if I didn't plan to use the whole set. Necro is king on pet sorc so don't swap it out, and Siroria is probably the best damage set if not using spell strategist, and that set is both situational and over priced at the moment. So gear wise you are fine except from maelstrom staff (and I would use siroria lightning instead of necro). Arcane is also BiS trait on pet sorc so don't change that. You get higher damage with Zaan on the dummy, but in real situations you would most likely benefit more from Ilambris since a pet sorc often is ranged and has the AoE.

Sparr0w · November 2018

Vildebill wrote: »

Heavy attacking is seldom a big source of damage. I run almost the same gear as you on my pet sorc, but I have a siroria lightning staff instead of necro to have 5 necro all time (which you should have), and backbar maelstrom lightning which you should absolutely get if you want higher HA damage.

Take a look at your champion points as well, you need more in thaumaturge and master at arms.

A lot of crappy advises in this thread, only thing you need to gold out is your weapons, and I wouldn't gold out the julianos staff if I didn't plan to use the whole set. Necro is king on pet sorc so don't swap it out, and Siroria is probably the best damage set if not using spell strategist, and that set is both situational and over priced at the moment. So gear wise you are fine except from maelstrom staff (and I would use siroria lightning instead of necro). Arcane is also BiS trait on pet sorc so don't change that. You get higher damage with Zaan on the dummy, but in real situations you would most likely benefit more from Ilambris since a pet sorc often is ranged and has the AoE.

Agree, I only ever gold weapons & monster set, unless you're pushing the last 1-2% dps and need gold gear it's not worth it.

Rontabs77 · November 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Do definitely gold out your backbar staff and give it either a shock or absorb magicka enchant.

Ok. I'll do that.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Questions:

1. What's your rotation
2. Why are you using max mag & stam food?
3. Are you using potions? (Should be using spell damage, spell crit, restore mag, mag regen)
4. Are you weaving?

Suggestions:

1. Swap the crusher enchant back bar to a shock one, also swap the staff to another necro staff, you want the 5pc active at all times unless you have a vMA staff.
2. CP wise put 75 into thaum, drop master at arms a couple & spell erosion a little to up staff expert.
3. Try Ilambris monster set, Zaan wont proc much on a heavy attack build.
4. Drop bastian CP, it's basically useless now since shields are capped to 40/50% max health

Remember jump points, you want CP to be as low to a whole number as possible since it always rounds down. Note: If 51 in a tree gives exactly 19% you will have to put another in as it will still round down to 18%.

Answers to Questions:
1) WoE -> LL -> Familiar -> Swap -> D. Prey -> Swap -> 1x or 2x HA depending on magicka
2) Honestly, it was what I can afford at purchase. But I thought pet damage scales with max magicka
3) No pots during that parse..
4) No, not weaving.. maybe because I am using a gamepad.

Thank you for your suggestions @Sparr0w , I'll definitely do them. And, yes, I should have already replaced my back bar weapon. I'll definitely do that.

Best regards,
Rontabs

Sparr0w · November 2018

Rontabs77 wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Do definitely gold out your backbar staff and give it either a shock or absorb magicka enchant.

Ok. I'll do that.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Questions:

1. What's your rotation
2. Why are you using max mag & stam food?
3. Are you using potions? (Should be using spell damage, spell crit, restore mag, mag regen)
4. Are you weaving?

Suggestions:

1. Swap the crusher enchant back bar to a shock one, also swap the staff to another necro staff, you want the 5pc active at all times unless you have a vMA staff.
2. CP wise put 75 into thaum, drop master at arms a couple & spell erosion a little to up staff expert.
3. Try Ilambris monster set, Zaan wont proc much on a heavy attack build.
4. Drop bastian CP, it's basically useless now since shields are capped to 40/50% max health

Remember jump points, you want CP to be as low to a whole number as possible since it always rounds down. Note: If 51 in a tree gives exactly 19% you will have to put another in as it will still round down to 18%.

Answers to Questions:
1) WoE -> LL -> Familiar -> Swap -> D. Prey -> Swap -> 1x or 2x HA depending on magicka
2) Honestly, it was what I can afford at purchase. But I thought pet damage scales with max magicka
3) No pots during that parse..
4) No, not weaving.. maybe because I am using a gamepad.

Thank you for your suggestions @Sparr0w , I'll definitely do them. And, yes, I should have already replaced my back bar weapon. I'll definitely do that.

Best regards,
Rontabs

@Rontabs77

Note: I've not played petsorc for a while so my information might be a little outdated.

Ok, I'd always stick to 2 heavy attacks if you're just using 1 pet. Make sure you always heavy attack on your front bar, cast blockade and LL from your back bar. My rotation is
LL > la > Blockade > swap > la > Curse > la > PET > HA x2
which isn't the best but nets 40k+ consistently. Another rota I've seen but not tested is:
LL > la > Blockade > swap >ha > Curse > ha > PET > la > SKILL
with the skill being another DOT if you use one.

Yeah pet scales with max magicka, however shields and survival scale with your max health, I'd definitely pick up blue max magicka/health food, it's fairly cheap. The one I use is Melon-Baked Parmasan Pork.

Potions are basically essential for higher dps (although pricey, so may want to slot Surge for the spell damage buff).

Also highly advise learning weaving, getting one light attack and one skill off per second, or very close to. It's a free 5-10k dps and after a while becomes natural, also it will proc Zaan a lot more frequently. Alcast and T3hasiangod both have really good videos on this.

The build I'd personally use is: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=99596 When you get closer to max CP you can up all blue trees & the last couple CP use to put thaumaturge to 81.

I use Boundless on the front bar ^ but that is a flex slot, can put another DoT there, or Surge for Major Sorcery (spell damage buff) and a heal.

Rontabs77 · November 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Rontabs77 wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Do definitely gold out your backbar staff and give it either a shock or absorb magicka enchant.

Ok. I'll do that.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Questions:

1. What's your rotation
2. Why are you using max mag & stam food?
3. Are you using potions? (Should be using spell damage, spell crit, restore mag, mag regen)
4. Are you weaving?

Suggestions:

1. Swap the crusher enchant back bar to a shock one, also swap the staff to another necro staff, you want the 5pc active at all times unless you have a vMA staff.
2. CP wise put 75 into thaum, drop master at arms a couple & spell erosion a little to up staff expert.
3. Try Ilambris monster set, Zaan wont proc much on a heavy attack build.
4. Drop bastian CP, it's basically useless now since shields are capped to 40/50% max health

Remember jump points, you want CP to be as low to a whole number as possible since it always rounds down. Note: If 51 in a tree gives exactly 19% you will have to put another in as it will still round down to 18%.

Answers to Questions:
1) WoE -> LL -> Familiar -> Swap -> D. Prey -> Swap -> 1x or 2x HA depending on magicka
2) Honestly, it was what I can afford at purchase. But I thought pet damage scales with max magicka
3) No pots during that parse..
4) No, not weaving.. maybe because I am using a gamepad.

Thank you for your suggestions @Sparr0w , I'll definitely do them. And, yes, I should have already replaced my back bar weapon. I'll definitely do that.

Best regards,
Rontabs

@Rontabs77

Note: I've not played petsorc for a while so my information might be a little outdated.

Ok, I'd always stick to 2 heavy attacks if you're just using 1 pet. Make sure you always heavy attack on your front bar, cast blockade and LL from your back bar. My rotation is
LL > la > Blockade > swap > la > Curse > la > PET > HA x2
which isn't the best but nets 40k+ consistently. Another rota I've seen but not tested is:
LL > la > Blockade > swap >ha > Curse > ha > PET > la > SKILL
with the skill being another DOT if you use one.

Yeah pet scales with max magicka, however shields and survival scale with your max health, I'd definitely pick up blue max magicka/health food, it's fairly cheap. The one I use is Melon-Baked Parmasan Pork.

Potions are basically essential for higher dps (although pricey, so may want to slot Surge for the spell damage buff).

Also highly advise learning weaving, getting one light attack and one skill off per second, or very close to. It's a free 5-10k dps and after a while becomes natural, also it will proc Zaan a lot more frequently. Alcast and T3hasiangod both have really good videos on this.

The build I'd personally use is: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=99596 When you get closer to max CP you can up all blue trees & the last couple CP use to put thaumaturge to 81.

I use Boundless on the front bar ^ but that is a flex slot, can put another DoT there, or Surge for Major Sorcery (spell damage buff) and a heal.

Ok @Sparr0w , I'll try these out, specially the change in rotation. May I ask what is the logic behind casting blockade and LL from back bar and doing HA in front?

WrathOfInnos · November 2018

Looking at your parse, a Maelstrom Staff would add around 1.5k to your DPS. Not mandatory, but if you are willing to patiently learn each round you can definitely clear vMA with 25k DPS.

You should drop the Mage Mundus, it is weak compared to others. The Lover would be best for solo content (or minimal group support) and the Thief when you have a tank that is debuffing enemy resistances (Breach, Alkosh, Crusher).

For CPs, you need to consider jump points. Basically everything rounds down to the nearest integer. So something at 19.99% will give the same as 19.01%, try to get everything just over a whole number.

I think Siroria is the right gear choice. IA doesn’t add much to heavy attacks, and you can get nearly the same Minor Vulnerability uptime with an infused shock enchant.

You should also use Spell Power potions, for the Major Sorcery buff.

Sparr0w · November 2018

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Rontabs77 wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Do definitely gold out your backbar staff and give it either a shock or absorb magicka enchant.

Ok. I'll do that.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Questions:

1. What's your rotation
2. Why are you using max mag & stam food?
3. Are you using potions? (Should be using spell damage, spell crit, restore mag, mag regen)
4. Are you weaving?

Suggestions:

1. Swap the crusher enchant back bar to a shock one, also swap the staff to another necro staff, you want the 5pc active at all times unless you have a vMA staff.
2. CP wise put 75 into thaum, drop master at arms a couple & spell erosion a little to up staff expert.
3. Try Ilambris monster set, Zaan wont proc much on a heavy attack build.
4. Drop bastian CP, it's basically useless now since shields are capped to 40/50% max health

Remember jump points, you want CP to be as low to a whole number as possible since it always rounds down. Note: If 51 in a tree gives exactly 19% you will have to put another in as it will still round down to 18%.

Answers to Questions:
1) WoE -> LL -> Familiar -> Swap -> D. Prey -> Swap -> 1x or 2x HA depending on magicka
2) Honestly, it was what I can afford at purchase. But I thought pet damage scales with max magicka
3) No pots during that parse..
4) No, not weaving.. maybe because I am using a gamepad.

Thank you for your suggestions @Sparr0w , I'll definitely do them. And, yes, I should have already replaced my back bar weapon. I'll definitely do that.

Best regards,
Rontabs

@Rontabs77

Note: I've not played petsorc for a while so my information might be a little outdated.

Ok, I'd always stick to 2 heavy attacks if you're just using 1 pet. Make sure you always heavy attack on your front bar, cast blockade and LL from your back bar. My rotation is
LL > la > Blockade > swap > la > Curse > la > PET > HA x2
which isn't the best but nets 40k+ consistently. Another rota I've seen but not tested is:
LL > la > Blockade > swap >ha > Curse > ha > PET > la > SKILL
with the skill being another DOT if you use one.

Yeah pet scales with max magicka, however shields and survival scale with your max health, I'd definitely pick up blue max magicka/health food, it's fairly cheap. The one I use is Melon-Baked Parmasan Pork.

Potions are basically essential for higher dps (although pricey, so may want to slot Surge for the spell damage buff).

Also highly advise learning weaving, getting one light attack and one skill off per second, or very close to. It's a free 5-10k dps and after a while becomes natural, also it will proc Zaan a lot more frequently. Alcast and T3hasiangod both have really good videos on this.

The build I'd personally use is: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=99596 When you get closer to max CP you can up all blue trees & the last couple CP use to put thaumaturge to 81.

I use Boundless on the front bar ^ but that is a flex slot, can put another DoT there, or Surge for Major Sorcery (spell damage buff) and a heal.

Ok @Sparr0w , I'll try these out, specially the change in rotation. May I ask what is the logic behind casting blockade and LL from back bar and doing HA in front?

Reasoning is usually you have a lot lower spell damage and max magicka on the back bar, so heavy attacks will do considerably less dps.

Where as DoT damage, as long as it's not single target (I think) will refresh their damage every tick, so doing it this way you're usually getting less dps the first 2 ticks and more dps the last 6 ticks, as well as more dps from heavy attacks.

Rontabs77 · November 2018

Managed to do 27K+, self-buffed, no pots, but this time with LA weaving. Did away with siroria as well. I guess I'm content with this for now. After reading so much about sorcs, I've come to the realization that they are not the best single-target damage dealers.

Vahrokh · November 2018

You can do at least 38k with pet sorc and your gear. 34k or so without pots.

GaunterODim · November 2018

Dont forget applying elemental drain if youre solo.

MLGProPlayer · November 2018

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Managed to do 27K+, self-buffed, no pots, but this time with LA weaving. Did away with siroria as well. I guess I'm content with this for now. After reading so much about sorcs, I've come to the realization that they are not the best single-target damage dealers.

Make sure you're cancelling your light attack animations. You should be getting at least 3-4x more DPS from your light attacks.

Your ability damage will go up too as you'll be getting off more abilities per second.

Rontabs77 · November 2018

Thank you all for your help because I have managed to do 30K+ DPS.

Protossyder · November 2018

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Thank you all for your help because I have managed to do 30K+ DPS.

Well, you used the lover mundus stone which is an insta dps increase

You would never use lover as magicka dd, unless you run maelstrom arena (or have no alkosh in your group)
Also, make sure you have 100% pot uptime, there is no reason to have less.