Sorc isn't as dead as I thought

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

@Sevn
I wrote an essay addressing each of the points you made but then i read again everything you said and just deleted everything cause it seems pointless. Seriously half of ur comments are off topic and spinning things i said. I dont even know what you even try to say at this point. First talking about a secret agenda because of a past confrontation between us even tho you are the one who turned this one into a confrontation by trying to belittle me for no reason, then telling me that you didnt say anything about BG scores even tho u literally talked about ur scores in the second comment. Then saying something about mmr/pvp rank which i dont even know what you try to say. Then calling me salty or egotistical while you attack everyone that dared to disagree with you. Then asking me a completely irrelevant question about whether i see good players fighting each other. Meh, just forget it. Ill just make you one question.

If you believe that you are not even a semi decent player then how on gods green earth do you actually believe that you are dominating good players. Like seriously, its common sense. You just literally threw ur entire argument out of the window with this comment. lol.

Again, I said dominating BG's, not good players, as it has been said good players fight only in cp cyro, right?

My off point was, you have no idea of my opponents skill level, nor do I. Having 3 times as many kills as deaths in a DM is considered dominating in my book. If I'm facing off against scrubs and winning handily, would that not classify as dominating BG's? You are the one that brought up the quality of my opponents in an effort to discredit my experience.

My main point was, if a player of my skill level, with my build can dominate the majority of the players they face in BG's, one on one at that, then magsorc isn't dead, just a certain playstyle, but apparently magsorc can only be played one way?

Just because I think my skill level is low doesn't mean it actually is. Showing humility is an underappreciated ability. Hope that clears it up for you.

Edit-
You know, I just did a little research on how the mmr pits folks and the only real conclusions were premades are placed in a higher que and maybe, MAYBE the number of medals gained are used for ranking. High ranked solo qued players are often thrown in on losing teams against premades. That's my experience, unless fighting the same group of players doesn't equal a premade. I play a tons, I get tons of medals, wouldn't that place me in a higher que?

So, in an effort to extend an olive branch to all I'll amend my statement, my magsorc, while not winning every match, is dominating most of the opposition I'm facing in BG's, especially one on one. Wait, isn't that my original post? Weird.

Edit-2

Now after more research I'm going to ask you to explain the mmr to me. From the info I gathered there is no set conclusion. So in an effort for clarity I'm interested in what info you have and where you found it. If you are going to use my lack of knowledge on something to discredit my experience I definitely expect you to have the official info on it.

So you are dominating BG pug matches, not actually competitive matches with good players. That was literally the point i made so basically you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. And no, good players are not just playing in cp cyro. I never said anything about CP or no CP.

Humility? You started this whole thing with how you dominate anyone you face and bashed every single person who said they are not impressed by ur build and ur gameplay. Where exactly is the humility in that attitude.

You have a high kill/death ratio in ur matches and thats dominating in ur book. Exactly what i told you, in ur book and good for you that you enjoy. However, a high kill/death ratio by itself without actual gameplay doesnt indicate actual domination for good players for various reasons. Especially when it comes to sorcs because of fury. You can literally just spam fury and ull get a high kill/death ratio. Thats not impressive. You dont even need an actual build for that.

I didnt say you are fighting scrubs to discredit your experience. Stop twisting my words. I said if you feel like u are dominating and you are enjoying it then good for you. You are free to play and enjoy the game in whichever way you like. I never told you to do something different. I just said that what you find as dominating, its not actually dominating for good players which is why you see people call the class underwhelming. Because in more demanding situations the class just falls short. Which is also why i told you to watch the EU duelling tournament just so you can get an idea of how the class will perform in more demanding situations.

As far as high MMR and competitive builds/players are concerned ull know when you are in a match like that when you melt in a few seconds. We are in a meta of doing dmg that bypasses most of the defences and ur build has no survivability to withstand any actual pressure and no heals to recover.

If you actually want advise to better help you understand what kind of players you are fighting and how good ur build would perform in more demanding situations, i told you from the beginning to post ur whole build and some gameplay of the matches you are dominating so people can explain to you. I didnt say that to start a confrontation. I said that to actually help you. Not everyone has a secret agenda against you.

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

I certainly appreciate your input! Yep, as I stated I too could not find any conclusive evidence as to how the mmr works, but if someone is going to use my lack of knowledge of how it works to discredit my entire experience in BG's I expect them to have the full answer, though he wasn't the only one to use such a tactic against my post. The other one is more than welcome to explain it in detail as well.

Except that i didnt use anything to discredit your experience. Thats just you twisting my words because you didnt like the fact that i said what looks to you as domination, isnt even remotely impressive for good players.

Emmagoldman · November 2018

if you are having fun with magsorc, good for you! I hung mine up and went magwarden to change it up. On magsorc I ran amberplasim, and shacklebreaker and loaded third bar with mines, rune, and trap. I’d pull people into tight places and they would usually see a squishy sorc and hit everything. It was really technical and a tough build to play. That play style is done so the class isn’t appealing right now.

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

I certainly appreciate your input! Yep, as I stated I too could not find any conclusive evidence as to how the mmr works, but if someone is going to use my lack of knowledge of how it works to discredit my entire experience in BG's I expect them to have the full answer, though he wasn't the only one to use such a tactic against my post. The other one is more than welcome to explain it in detail as well.

Except that i didnt use anything to discredit your experience. Thats just you twisting my words because you didnt like the fact that i said what looks to you as domination, isnt even remotely impressive for good players.

So I take it you yourself do not know how the mmr works? This is the same person that said they do not speak on subjects they do not know? And chastised me for not knowing as well? Alrighty then.

Anyone and everyone? No, it was two individuals to be clear, you and feanor. As usual whenever the subject of sorcs comes up. No, I am not seeking help for my build. Why would I need advice on my build when I'm always in the positive?

Edit- you clearly stated that because I do not know how the mmr works you don't believe a single thing about my experience. Sounds like an attempt to discredit. Going back it looks like that was feanor who used my lack of knowledge of the mmr to discredit. My apologies. Point two, not once have I claimed to be a competitive pvper. Please qoute me saying so as you keep bringing that up in an attempt to imply I said I'm dominating good players.

Edit-2 let's call it shall we? Several days of this has lost its charm on me. I'm sure we will bump into one another in upcoming sorc threads lol.

Sevn · November 2018

Emmagoldman wrote: »

if you are having fun with magsorc, good for you! I hung mine up and went magwarden to change it up. On magsorc I ran amberplasim, and shacklebreaker and loaded third bar with mines, rune, and trap. I’d pull people into tight places and they would usually see a squishy sorc and hit everything. It was really technical and a tough build to play. That play style is done so the class isn’t appealing right now.

See this is a great post! Player acknowledges that their playstyle is dead and is happy their pain is someone else's joy. Far different from claiming the entire class is dead and stating your build is trash and you only win against scrubs.

I really hope you are able to salvage something from your build, best of luck to you!

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

I certainly appreciate your input! Yep, as I stated I too could not find any conclusive evidence as to how the mmr works, but if someone is going to use my lack of knowledge of how it works to discredit my entire experience in BG's I expect them to have the full answer, though he wasn't the only one to use such a tactic against my post. The other one is more than welcome to explain it in detail as well.

Except that i didnt use anything to discredit your experience. Thats just you twisting my words because you didnt like the fact that i said what looks to you as domination, isnt even remotely impressive for good players.

So I take it you yourself do not know how the mmr works? This is the same person that said they do not speak on subjects they do not know? And chastised me for not knowing as well? Alrighty then.

Anyone and everyone? No, it was two individuals to be clear, you and feanor. As usual whenever the subject of sorcs comes up. No, I am not seeking help for my build. Why would I need advice on my build when I'm always in the positive?

Edit- you clearly stated that because I do not know how the mmr works you don't believe a single thing about my experience. Sounds like an attempt to discredit. Going back it looks like that was feanor who used my lack of knowledge of the mmr to discredit. My apologies. Point two, not once have I claimed to be a competitive pvper. Please qoute me saying so as you keep bringing that up in an attempt to imply I said I'm dominating good players.

Edit-2 let's call it shall we? Several days of this has lost its charm on me. I'm sure we will bump into one another in upcoming sorc threads lol.

Did u just genuinely ran out of arguments and you are accusing me of whatever you can think of now? I dont know what MMR is? I know what MMR is. lol. The short version is that its something like ur rating for BGs. The better you do the most competitive ur matchmaking becomes. I dont feel inclined now to write an essay explaining you every little detail that comes into it. Just write ESO battlegrounds MMR on YT and watch the video from blobs which will direct you to detailed thread in the forums. Can you stop dragging this subject now?

Anyone and everyone who disagreed with you i said. I didnt specify numbers but that wasnt even the point. And you dont need advice? Hm, something about humility u were talking earlier. At this point im not even sure if u know what humility means.

I said because of what you said throughout this thread including the MMR thing i do not believe that u are a good player. Something you even confirmed urself. Thats not discrediting what you experience in BGs. If what you experience is domination then good for you and keep doing it.

Here is the thing. You play BGs and u are doing good most likely because you are fighting players of lower skill level. And you viewed that as domination and wondered why people call the class underwhelming. This is a common mistake for players who lack knowledge on the class and PVP in general since you cant understand certain situations. And i told you, sorcs have the most inflated BG numbers because of fury and they are the ultimate pug smashing class. If thats ur criteria of how good the class is then yes sorcs are god mode. However good player dont even bother with that. In the competitive scene where the true power of the class is put in test, well the class just falls short for several reasons. If you want a more detailed explanation of why the class just falls short id be happy to briefly explain or direct you to a more detailed thread. And i told you to watch the duelling tournament to get an idea.

A tournament which placed several rules to disallow tanks from participating which actually is in favour of sorcs since they are the class with the most problems fighting against tanks. And the sorc who participated played very good. Exceptional movement, excellent sustain, very few mistakes arguably played better than most if not everyone he faced but he just couldnt kill anyone. He was just forcing one stalemate after the other until he eventually got abused by a cheesy setup who literally heavy attacked him to death because the class has trash healing. And here you are wondering what will happen when u go up against those builds with no healing full divines setup. Well like i told you, its going to be a rude awakening.

Beardimus · November 2018

Emmagoldman wrote: »

if you are having fun with magsorc, good for you! I hung mine up and went magwarden to change it up. On magsorc I ran amberplasim, and shacklebreaker and loaded third bar with mines, rune, and trap. I’d pull people into tight places and they would usually see a squishy sorc and hit everything. It was really technical and a tough build to play. That play style is done so the class isn’t appealing right now.

I'm with you.

OL focused builds are rekt
3rd bar rekt
Sorc healer utility space down

All for what. A spammable? Very frustrating.

Ender1310 · November 2018

It comes down to overperforming and not being forced to make the same damage sacrifices everyone else had to. Grats on figuring it out and now that your class is more balanced I wish you success!

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

I certainly appreciate your input! Yep, as I stated I too could not find any conclusive evidence as to how the mmr works, but if someone is going to use my lack of knowledge of how it works to discredit my entire experience in BG's I expect them to have the full answer, though he wasn't the only one to use such a tactic against my post. The other one is more than welcome to explain it in detail as well.

Except that i didnt use anything to discredit your experience. Thats just you twisting my words because you didnt like the fact that i said what looks to you as domination, isnt even remotely impressive for good players.

So I take it you yourself do not know how the mmr works? This is the same person that said they do not speak on subjects they do not know? And chastised me for not knowing as well? Alrighty then.

Anyone and everyone? No, it was two individuals to be clear, you and feanor. As usual whenever the subject of sorcs comes up. No, I am not seeking help for my build. Why would I need advice on my build when I'm always in the positive?

Edit- you clearly stated that because I do not know how the mmr works you don't believe a single thing about my experience. Sounds like an attempt to discredit. Going back it looks like that was feanor who used my lack of knowledge of the mmr to discredit. My apologies. Point two, not once have I claimed to be a competitive pvper. Please qoute me saying so as you keep bringing that up in an attempt to imply I said I'm dominating good players.

Edit-2 let's call it shall we? Several days of this has lost its charm on me. I'm sure we will bump into one another in upcoming sorc threads lol.

Did u just genuinely ran out of arguments and you are accusing me of whatever you can think of now? I dont know what MMR is? I know what MMR is. lol. The short version is that its something like ur rating for BGs. The better you do the most competitive ur matchmaking becomes. I dont feel inclined now to write an essay explaining you every little detail that comes into it. Just write ESO battlegrounds MMR on YT and watch the video from blobs which will direct you to detailed thread in the forums. Can you stop dragging this subject now?

Anyone and everyone who disagreed with you i said. I didnt specify numbers but that wasnt even the point. And you dont need advice? Hm, something about humility u were talking earlier. At this point im not even sure if u know what humility means.

I said because of what you said throughout this thread including the MMR thing i do not believe that u are a good player. Something you even confirmed urself. Thats not discrediting what you experience in BGs. If what you experience is domination then good for you and keep doing it.

Here is the thing. You play BGs and u are doing good most likely because you are fighting players of lower skill level. And you viewed that as domination and wondered why people call the class underwhelming. This is a common mistake for players who lack knowledge on the class and PVP in general since you cant understand certain situations. And i told you, sorcs have the most inflated BG numbers because of fury and they are the ultimate pug smashing class. If thats ur criteria of how good the class is then yes sorcs are god mode. However good player dont even bother with that. In the competitive scene where the true power of the class is put in test, well the class just falls short for several reasons. If you want a more detailed explanation of why the class just falls short id be happy to briefly explain or direct you to a more detailed thread. And i told you to watch the duelling tournament to get an idea.

A tournament which placed several rules to disallow tanks from participating which actually is in favour of sorcs since they are the class with the most problems fighting against tanks. And the sorc who participated played very good. Exceptional movement, excellent sustain, very few mistakes arguably played better than most if not everyone he faced but he just couldnt kill anyone. He was just forcing one stalemate after the other until he eventually got abused by a cheesy setup who literally heavy attacked him to death because the class has trash healing. And here you are wondering what will happen when u go up against those builds with no healing full divines setup. Well like i told you, its going to be a rude awakening.

Alrighty, let us carry on. I asked do you know how the mmr works in ESO. Not if you know what mmr is. Really? You know damn well I wasn't asking if you knew what mmr is. I in fact did search YouTube, Google and it lead me to a detailed thread, here by Thogard.

There was no set conclusion. "You don't even know how the mmr works". I just find it odd for someone to sneer at someone else's lack of knowledge when they themselves lack it, because no one has it, not even with as much testing as Thogard has done.

You didn't specify numbers because any and every one sounds more robust than "you just keep barking at the same two individuals from previous sorc threads".

Me stating I'm content with my character, therefore advice is not needed, does in no way negate my humility, it's a fact, not a boast. Learn the difference. I have stated, several times, this is my BG toon. I would use a completely different character/class for any other pvp. Why keep bringing up how this build would perform in other areas, against opponents she was not meant to shine in?

You weren't seeking a confrontation huh lol? All you had to say in your original statement was that's bg's, sorcs have always been fine in there. I would have agreed. End of discussion. You didn't. You ended it with a lame no offence with a full on intention of offending. Why do people say that nonsense when they follow up with insults? You knew damn well what you were going to write next wasn't going to sit with me when you wrote it.

It was an unnecessary addition and you know it.

Thogard · November 2018

Everything in that thread MMR thread holds up.

At this point we’re 99% sure that it’s a character’s cumulative medal scores from all BG matches.

Lord_Eomer · November 2018

Yea, Stam Sorc still doing good after all its Stamina Supremacy!

Sheezabeast · November 2018

Cat fight!

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Sevn · November 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Everything in that thread MMR thread holds up.

At this point we’re 99% sure that it’s a character’s cumulative medal scores from all BG matches.

Your thread was extremely insightful and helpful. What tier would one fall under who plays a lot of bg's with a high medal count?

Vahrokh · November 2018

Imo in Pelican's videos you see "post Nerfmire patch" magsorc.

Sure, he dominates. Sure, he's awesome. Sure, this means magsorc is viable for someone of his skill.

BUT

he's playing 1h + shield.

I didn't roll a magsorc to become a sort of longer range DK or a "battlemage". Battlemage sure has its TES lore and whatever but what if someone just wanted to play a... mage? Or a summoneer / "warlock", but still with a "mage" setup? That is, glass cannon or similar? Because the cannon has been removed, so it makes little sense to go glass.

I am ok with others who feel "fair" for all classes needing to go full impen, full heavy, full resist, full BUNKER. But what about someone who wants to play like an old "Arcane mage" of Wow-esque memory or "Sorceress" of Warhammer memory: that is glass cannon with big nuke (possibly with a group supporting him)? I can't possibly see how to do that in ESO.

Waffennacht · November 2018

I'm now scoring in the positives with

Desert Rose
Chudan - absolutely need bar space and boundless is too expensive
Armor master
Willpower

However still have far more success with Stam builds.

I do not really have the capability to kill a similarly tanky build

Some builds still have the capability to melt me

For the first time ever I'm shield stacking (because it feels necessary)

I've HEAVILY invested into survivability (as you can tell by the sets)

I've been running speed poisons - 6 sec of major expedition and 40% snare where sorc has no real native access to.

Bleeds + spin2win is way more effective imo

pieratsos · November 2018

@Sevn
So now, no one knows what it is and everyone lacks knowledge on the subject. Lmao. What*****ever.

Previous sorc threads? Am i not allowed to talk about a class ive played for years now? Right. Ok, whatever floats ur boat i guess. Im sure ur feedback as someone who lacks basic knowledge on the class and PVP in general is more valuable than people who played the class for years and have a deep understanding of how it works.

Your build is not a BG build. That was literally my point. In more competitive BG matches it wouldnt shine. You are the one dragging the subject not me. For the last time. Your build works for what you do, because you dont need an actual build for that, not because ur build is good for that. There is a big difference between the two. You just lack knowledge to differentiate the two. In any type of situation where you actually need a PVP build, ur build just wont cut it. It lacks basic qualities that every PVP build regardless of content should have. If you like it play it. Im not telling you not to. But it is what it is. Its not a matter of whether you or me like ur build. Its a matter of facts.

Insulted you? I actually tried to help you and offered advise but the only thing you've been trying to do is turn it into a confrontation and trying to insult me because i disagreed with you. I may not have insulted you thus far but you really make it hard not to. Now by all means, keep telling me that i insulted you and how you are humble and how ur build is a BG build or whatever other mumbo jumbo bs you think it is. The only thing i regret is that i dont actually play on PS4 to actually take you on like you wanted to and delete ur so called BG build on every single class and then post those videos here just for the lolz. Cause the sad part is that this the only way nut jobs like you will learn.

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

@Sevn
So now, no one knows what it is and everyone lacks knowledge on the subject. Lmao. What*****ever.

Previous sorc threads? Am i not allowed to talk about a class ive played for years now? Right. Ok, whatever floats ur boat i guess. Im sure ur feedback as someone who lacks basic knowledge on the class and PVP in general is more valuable than people who played the class for years and have a deep understanding of how it works.

Your build is not a BG build. That was literally my point. In more competitive BG matches it wouldnt shine. You are the one dragging the subject not me. For the last time. Your build works for what you do, because you dont need an actual build for that, not because ur build is good for that. There is a big difference between the two. You just lack knowledge to differentiate the two. In any type of situation where you actually need a PVP build, ur build just wont cut it. It lacks basic qualities that every PVP build regardless of content should have. If you like it play it. Im not telling you not to. But it is what it is. Its not a matter of whether you or me like ur build. Its a matter of facts.

Insulted you? I actually tried to help you and offered advise but the only thing you've been trying to do is turn it into a confrontation and trying to insult me because i disagreed with you. I may not have insulted you thus far but you really make it hard not to. Now by all means, keep telling me that i insulted you and how you are humble and how ur build is a BG build or whatever other mumbo jumbo bs you think it is. The only thing i regret is that i dont actually play on PS4 to actually take you on like you wanted to and delete ur so called BG build on every single class and then post those videos here just for the lolz. Cause the sad part is that this the only way nut jobs like you will learn.

You are so right, until I start getting destroyed with her, this nut job will continue to believe that there is more than one playstyle for a class. Highly doubt that would be you, on any platform, so have no regrets.

D0PAMINE · November 2018

My Sorc build is weird af. So it was an easy change for me to make. Others were completely destroyed.

Edit: if anyone is interested, it might not be appeal but here it is.

1 Worm Helm
1 Kena Shoulder
3 Willpower Jewelry
5 Julianos
1 Worm Inferno Infused
1 Asylum Lightnimg Nirnhoned.

Worm Bar: Bound Aegis, Ligntning form, Haunting Curse, Ele Blockade, Mages Wrath

Asylum Bar: Inner Light, skill i forget, surge, force pulse, frags

Ult for Worm: destro
ult for Asylum: shooting star

Its an old build and has about 20k resist in spell and phys.

Trash the build if you want idgaf.

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

@Sevn
So now, no one knows what it is and everyone lacks knowledge on the subject. Lmao. What*****ever.

Previous sorc threads? Am i not allowed to talk about a class ive played for years now? Right. Ok, whatever floats ur boat i guess. Im sure ur feedback as someone who lacks basic knowledge on the class and PVP in general is more valuable than people who played the class for years and have a deep understanding of how it works.

Your build is not a BG build. That was literally my point. In more competitive BG matches it wouldnt shine. You are the one dragging the subject not me. For the last time. Your build works for what you do, because you dont need an actual build for that, not because ur build is good for that. There is a big difference between the two. You just lack knowledge to differentiate the two. In any type of situation where you actually need a PVP build, ur build just wont cut it. It lacks basic qualities that every PVP build regardless of content should have. If you like it play it. Im not telling you not to. But it is what it is. Its not a matter of whether you or me like ur build. Its a matter of facts.

Insulted you? I actually tried to help you and offered advise but the only thing you've been trying to do is turn it into a confrontation and trying to insult me because i disagreed with you. I may not have insulted you thus far but you really make it hard not to. Now by all means, keep telling me that i insulted you and how you are humble and how ur build is a BG build or whatever other mumbo jumbo bs you think it is. The only thing i regret is that i dont actually play on PS4 to actually take you on like you wanted to and delete ur so called BG build on every single class and then post those videos here just for the lolz. Cause the sad part is that this the only way nut jobs like you will learn.

You are so right, until I start getting destroyed with her, this nut job will continue to believe that there is more than one playstyle for a class. Highly doubt that would be you, on any platform, so have no regrets.

Except that its not even about the different playstyles of the class. Sorry mate, you got a long way ahead of you before you even understand the mechanics of the class. Let alone being able to judge the viability of different playstyles. But by all means you dont have to take it from me. Feel free to post ur BG domination build with some gameplay in the forums and feast on the feedback. Well thats of course assuming anyone decent enough bothers to reply to someone who believes that a PVP build with zero defence is dominating anything besides killing mudcrubs.

Jeremy · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I tried the most common sorc build last night. Sure it wasn't my idea, but, it did absolutely horribly.

2-4 18 assists.

Shields still drop very quickly with full impen and 31k resistance.

Meh, I'll try a different build I suppose, but I hated how clunky sorc felt

I wouldn't even bother with resistance in PvP.

I tried out my healer one time in there with 35k resistance and if it didn't make any difference. Better off stacking health if you ask me.

Impenetrable does help a little though.

Emma_Overload · November 2018

Ender1310 wrote: »

It comes down to overperforming and not being forced to make the same damage sacrifices everyone else had to. Grats on figuring it out and now that your class is more balanced I wish you success!

Sorcs don't do anywhere NEAR the damage other classes do and haven't for a long time. WTF are you talking about? Only Magden is weaker than Mag Sorc!

D0PAMINE · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm now scoring in the positives with

Desert Rose
Chudan - absolutely need bar space and boundless is too expensive
Armor master
Willpower

However still have far more success with Stam builds.

I do not really have the capability to kill a similarly tanky build

Some builds still have the capability to melt me

For the first time ever I'm shield stacking (because it feels necessary)

I've HEAVILY invested into survivability (as you can tell by the sets)

I've been running speed poisons - 6 sec of major expedition and 40% snare where sorc has no real native access to.

Bleeds + spin2win is way more effective imo

Sorcs need a spammable similar to DK claws.

iiYuki · November 2018

People are suddenly dropped into it though I think that's what got a lot of people, one day you're fine and the next day you're get one shotted. Its incredibly frustrating and jarring especially if you were someone who doesn't read the natch potes, play the PTS or follow the forums/ other news sources.
Same with the numbering, a 60% nerf is massive and straight away you think well shields are dead, I suppose it then links in with other abilities since they nerfed CC, self heal and mobility abilities too there is nothing to fall back on, you can't replace shields with anything else other than increasing your HP pool at the determent of you magicka pool therefore the only way to survive is to lower your DPS.

oxygen_thief · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm now scoring in the positives with

Desert Rose
Chudan - absolutely need bar space and boundless is too expensive
Armor master

there is no sense to stack resistances you will die because of bleeds. the only way for a sorc to survive is to hit as a truck and kill faster than bleeds, poisons and oblivion damage will melt you.