Fang keep

As a tank, Moonhunter Keep is my least favorite dungeon at the moment. It is all heavy bleeds, enrages, immobilization and one shots. I appreciate the challenge, and with a good group, or at least one that communicates, it can almost be fun. Most of the time it is just a claustrophobic annoyance. Won't stop me hunting the slayer and cosmetic achievements tho.

Bloodroot forge is still a close second just because the bullcrap RNG on Galchobhar's rock islands is the only thing standing between me and a no death run most of the time.

I actually quite like Fang Lair but getting a group from group finder that can get past the menagerie is a crapshoot.

Still can't find a group to do hard mode for Fang Lair, Scalecaller, Moonhunter or March of Sacrifices. I don't mind the challenge but I feel like they have pumped the difficulty up to the point where most people just can't be bothered even trying. They might do it once but never go back again and given the only real motivation to do so beyond getting the cosmetic item is a single extra undaunted key I can see why.

They need to tone down the difficulty or buff the rewards imho.

If the dungeon/trial team would put half as much efford into creating fun and challenging mechanics, as they put into punishing low dps groups, this game could actually have a good "endgame".

Alpheu5 wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

As a tank, Moonhunter Keep is my least favorite dungeon at the moment. It is all heavy bleeds, enrages, immobilization and one shots. I appreciate the challenge, and with a good group, or at least one that communicates, it can almost be fun. Most of the time it is just a claustrophobic annoyance. Won't stop me hunting the slayer and cosmetic achievements tho.

Bloodroot forge is still a close second just because the bullcrap RNG on Galchobhar's rock islands is the only thing standing between me and a no death run most of the time.

I actually quite like Fang Lair but getting a group from group finder that can get past the menagerie is a crapshoot.

Still can't find a group to do hard mode for Fang Lair, Scalecaller, Moonhunter or March of Sacrifices. I don't mind the challenge but I feel like they have pumped the difficulty up to the point where most people just can't be bothered even trying. They might do it once but never go back again and given the only real motivation to do so beyond getting the cosmetic item is a single extra undaunted key I can see why.

They need to tone down the difficulty or buff the rewards imho.

Way back in the day when the key progression was this...:

• Normal Dungeon/Veteran Dungeon - 1 Silver Key
• Veteran Dungeon, Hard Mode - 1 Gold Key
• Veteran DLC Dungeon, Hard Mode - 2 Gold Keys

...there was a clearly superior reward for doing the most difficult dungeons on the more difficult option. Now, completing vSP HM gives the same reward as vFG1 HM. They need to re-scale the DLC rewards again and offer something like 3 or 4 keys and a guaranteed 25 transmute gem for completing a Vet DLC HM pledge since their difficulty is so much higher than your typical HM run.

They said they are working on something to rework the rewards/scaling. But you know I believe when I see it.

Bevik wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

As a tank, Moonhunter Keep is my least favorite dungeon at the moment. It is all heavy bleeds, enrages, immobilization and one shots. I appreciate the challenge, and with a good group, or at least one that communicates, it can almost be fun. Most of the time it is just a claustrophobic annoyance. Won't stop me hunting the slayer and cosmetic achievements tho.

Bloodroot forge is still a close second just because the bullcrap RNG on Galchobhar's rock islands is the only thing standing between me and a no death run most of the time.

I actually quite like Fang Lair but getting a group from group finder that can get past the menagerie is a crapshoot.

Still can't find a group to do hard mode for Fang Lair, Scalecaller, Moonhunter or March of Sacrifices. I don't mind the challenge but I feel like they have pumped the difficulty up to the point where most people just can't be bothered even trying. They might do it once but never go back again and given the only real motivation to do so beyond getting the cosmetic item is a single extra undaunted key I can see why.

They need to tone down the difficulty or buff the rewards imho.

Way back in the day when the key progression was this...:

• Normal Dungeon/Veteran Dungeon - 1 Silver Key
• Veteran Dungeon, Hard Mode - 1 Gold Key
• Veteran DLC Dungeon, Hard Mode - 2 Gold Keys

...there was a clearly superior reward for doing the most difficult dungeons on the more difficult option. Now, completing vSP HM gives the same reward as vFG1 HM. They need to re-scale the DLC rewards again and offer something like 3 or 4 keys and a guaranteed 25 transmute gem for completing a Vet DLC HM pledge since their difficulty is so much higher than your typical HM run.

They said they are working on something to rework the rewards/scaling. But you know I believe when I see it.

Their solution will be probably be nerfs to all classes and races, buffs to all bosses and some new crown store exclusive motifs you can only buy if you have 100 motif tokens only accessible by completing vAS+2.

You reminded me about my first and last run through the veteran Falkreath Hold. On normal mode it seemed super easy (15 mins run with 20k of total dps group) so I took my tank to the vet version.

Holy moly... I will remember those 3 hours of pain for the rest of my life. I admit that I was messing up too since the mechanics was new to me and I don't have the sharpest reacton. The group was also far not the best for the vet with about 25-30k total dps and was dying sometimes for silly reasons. There were name callings, t-bagging (dps guys did that of course), etc, but we still kept going forward.

The "best" part was of course when we reached the final boss. I didn't count how many times we died and how many dps left and were replaced... If the all previous part of the dungeon took about 1 hour, this fight took another 2 freaking hours full of cussing and switching dps... The problem was not just in us but in RNG mechanics. For example the boss simultaneously called for ads and created the ring of inner fire, so I had to run around the big cirle trying to gather those aggro those ads and prevent them from killing squishy dps. While doing that I didn't notice that boss woke up and charged a mega fire ball exlisuvely for me... Also, sometimes its scream did not have a warning text and was catching some people out of guard (those who weren't keeping eyes on its actual animations).

I don't know how, but after another 4-5 wipes with the last dps replacement we somehow managed to get that damned domihaus head piece and everyone thanked each other for the patience.

I'm never ever going back there again.

I still need to go through the Bloodroot Forge sometime tho so to unlock the notable house, but I need to take a month of mental break before this act of masochism.

I enjoy the mechanics of the newest dungeons as they are not solely dps driven. It requires learning and coordination.
None of the loot/achievements locks you out of any other content.
Really your choice to do. I thought it brilliantly done.
I offer up a different way to look at it. There has to be content that is considered hard. Debts could have locked it beyond an insane dps wall that not everyone can achieve or make it skill based but incredibly hard. They could have made it required for BIS. None of which they did.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

even mario bros was full of "one shot" mechs. Stop QQing.

If you can't interrupt a one shot mechanic that is visibly telecasting for a couple of seconds before firing, then... maybe its not the one shot mechs that are the problem.

I don't think the oneshot pounces from the beasts in MHK are telegraphed for even a second? I never spot them before they hit me anyway. And the really big things will even oneshot you with light attacks.

Best way to do that dungeon is with a healer spamming Time Stop.

One-shot mechs is what makes this game somewhat exciting again.
Since there is now an actual threat one must be vigilant of, no matter how powerful his char happens to be.