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Getting kicked off for trying to do a dolmen? Issues rant.

daemondamian
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So I was just in Alikr desert & everything was running normally no problem, got a soul shard, found a wayshrine, harvested some mats but then when I got to a dolmen my controls stopped working, then everybody froze & a minute later I was kicked/logged off.

So I go back on harvest some more mats & maybe 5-10 minutes hear the dolmen go off & figure why not try it again.

The same thing happens, lose controls, everything freezes & I get kicked off again.

This is absolutely ridiculous, I'm an 6 monthly renewing ESO+ member & also just bought 21k of crowns- what exactly am I paying for? Poor service?

Or is that they've got my money now so it doesn't matter whether I can even play the game & do what I want in it like join in on a dolmen?

Earlier in the day I was in pvp in Cyrodil when suddenly I couldn't swap to my back bar which was kind of annoying because I ended up dying.

There are occasions where I try to log on & it keeps saying it can't connect (despite the internet working fine for like everything else) so the only thing I figured I can do is to restart my pc then it connects

There are also other times where I log in, go to swap out or rearrange my skills & the slots are blank & even after slotting the skills back in they disappear again & the only solution is to restart my pc.

Do these sorts of things happen to anyone else?

Yes I do run the Steam version which may have something to do with some of my issues (?) but if I had known I was going to have such issues *I wouldn't have bought the steam version* & if it doesn't run properly on Steam why are ZOS allowing them to sell the game on the Steam platform in the first place?
  • Salvas_Aren
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    The service for loyal or honest customers gets worse.

    I was kicked several times for refining ore at a bench. Now I use a mass processing tool for it. It's more convenient, true. However, it's sad that I need it to stay on the server, while bots are not affected by those stupid anti-bot mechanics.

    Whatever they do to improve the game, they should try the opposite.
  • daemondamian
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    The service for loyal or honest customers gets worse.

    I was kicked several times for refining ore at a bench. Now I use a mass processing tool for it. It's more convenient, true. However, it's sad that I need it to stay on the server, while bots are not affected by those stupid anti-bot mechanics.

    Whatever they do to improve the game, they should try the opposite.

    Yeah it seems stupid and wrong some people can get an advantage in the game by using bots and ZOS do nothing about them even though supposedly they say they do if the bots are reported.

    I just discovered a new "fun" thing about kicked/logged off back to the login screen; when you're doing Vet Maelstrom Arena and are almost finished a round or at the final round stage; when you log back in you have to restart the round from the beginning again.

    Also about Maelstrom Arena - I abandoned trying to use a volatile familiar or matriarch twilight in there completely because they just die and then it takes too long to re-summon them. Either they should be made immortal in the arenas like in trials and dungeons or the summoning time should be reduced or removed just for in the arena.

    Plus the Maelstrom Lightning staff seems to be the BiS for sorcerers using Wall of Elements but the drop is random and it is so hard to get for a sorcerer build let alone a pet sorcerer build.

    ZOS must really hate pet sorcerers lol :D

    I'm hoping my alt nightblade char might succeed if my sorcerer can't get past the ice level.
  • CP5
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    You do know the dolmens in that zone are so heavily farmed that there are always an insane number of players there, and thats what is likely causing you to crash, not zos hating you?
  • daemondamian
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    CP5 wrote: »
    You do know the dolmens in that zone are so heavily farmed that there are always an insane number of players there, and thats what is likely causing you to crash, not zos hating you?

    I'm not crashing but getting logged/kicked out back to the login screen but regardless you're saying it's because of the large amount of players there that is causing that to happen - is this because the servers aren't big or have the capacity to have that many players so they randomly kick off x amount of players to reduce the load?

    It would be cool if that were the case that ESO+ plus members would be exempt from that or at least placed least on the list to kick off if the servers are overloaded.

    Also I don't know maybe they could put some more money towards better servers?

    Actually though I've been to Alik'r dolmens before and been in the big groups dolmen grinding and this hasn't happened that much but it is frustrating when it happens two times in a row after getting kicked out and having to log back in again.

    If the dolmens have a set capacity it would also be good if they could find a way to to limit the amount of players at them rather than kicking off players.

    So it's not really about hate I guess - more neglect, disdain and lack of respect perhaps because the game is setup to automatically screw over some players regardless of whether they're ESO+ members or not because they can't afford or can't be bothered to upgrade the servers or find some other potential solution to the problem.
  • ArchMikem
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    Sounds like your system cant handle the Alikr Dolmen ball groups.
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  • daemondamian
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sounds like your system cant handle the Alikr Dolmen ball groups.

    Um it's handled them 98% of the time I've done them (all 3 in continuous rotation for hours on end) & I've done them in the big groups with so much group dps and players that they're finished off in seconds.

    If it was my system then why did it just put me back at the login screen as opposed to say completely freezing my computer or the game completely crashing and why if it was my system did it only happen those 2 times as opposed to the tons of other times I've had no problems whatsoever?
  • theyancey
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    I rode both the Auridon and Alik'r dolmen trains several times today with no issues.
  • Yorkie_2018
    If it’s worked 98% of the time previously and no-one else is currently experiencing it, I would guess it is a newly formed problem with your hardware or internet, neither of which you seem interested in examining further as you seem so hell bent on blaming ZOS...
  • daemondamian
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    If it’s worked 98% of the time previously and no-one else is currently experiencing it, I would guess it is a newly formed problem with your hardware or internet, neither of which you seem interested in examining further as you seem so hell bent on blaming ZOS...

    There's numerous posts from people complaining about getting logged off, it seems to happen to a lot of people randomly but you are suggesting there's no possibility it's a server issue or problem with the game but the problems is with either the internet or system of the people that it has happened to.

    Since when has data storage and internet transfer had an infinite expanding capacity a company like ZOS can use without actually physically adding more hard drive/server storage or taking up more bandwidth or are you saying this is what they do and there are no limitations so players would never be kicked off due to system capacity being reached/exceeded?

    Fair enough some players might have internet or system issues but you seem hell bent on saying it's purely an internet or system issue, that ZOS has no problems with it's servers or capacity and has no limitations?

    Also my system runs everything else perfectly well, I never had a disconnect problem of getting kicked out/logged off when playing Dark Souls PTDE or DOTA2 and the times that I got logged/booted off ESO back to the login screen the internet has been working perfectly well for my other programs requiring a connection such as Chrome, so if it was an internet problem why does only ESO experience it and none of my other programs?
    Edited by daemondamian on November 26, 2018 10:13PM
  • Yorkie_2018
    Looking at it logically, there is a chain of technology that enables you to play ESO. You have ownership of one key piece (PC) and are a customer of a third party responsible for maintaining another key piece (internet) in that chain, as the majority of players are playing without issue (your “numerous posts” comment is not tangible enough to determine volume) then there is a more than good chance that the issue lies with one of those two key pieces of technology that lies within your remit. I’m not saying it isn’t ZOS, just that you automatically jumped to that conclusion when in fact you should start your troubleshooting closer to home.

  • The Uninvited
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    Do these sorts of things happen to anyone else?

    */sarcasm on* No, not at all. We all don't know what you're talking about. */sarcasm off*
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  • Tryxus
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    Do these sorts of things happen to anyone else?

    Usually in Cyrodiil, when I'm nearing/entering a large battle with lots and lots of players and a few of those players refuse to load/render for me.

    Game is like "Nope!", freezes then kicks me to the login screen...
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  • mague
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    So I was just in Alikr desert & everything was running normally no problem, got a soul shard, found a wayshrine, harvested some mats but then when I got to a dolmen my controls stopped working, then everybody froze & a minute later I was kicked/logged off.

    Alik'r has three dolmen near teleport towers. There are really many players on horses grinding those dolmen. So, there is an army permanently teleporting at once and mounting at once. And then a thunderstrom of visual effects is going off at once.

    My PC can handle it, but it is intense. Sometimes worse then an epic defence of a keep.
    Edited by mague on November 27, 2018 11:13AM
  • Lake
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    Never. I do have a good PC though.
  • Hoolielulu
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    I've been kicked roughly a dozen times in the past two days. Sometimes I'm fighting, sometimes I'm crafting, sometimes I'm just standing there. I've never had this problem before. I think I'm going to have to accept it because ZOS.
  • Grimm13
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    Looking at it logically, there is a chain of technology that enables you to play ESO. You have ownership of one key piece (PC) and are a customer of a third party responsible for maintaining another key piece (internet) in that chain, as the majority of players are playing without issue (your “numerous posts” comment is not tangible enough to determine volume) then there is a more than good chance that the issue lies with one of those two key pieces of technology that lies within your remit. I’m not saying it isn’t ZOS, just that you automatically jumped to that conclusion when in fact you should start your troubleshooting closer to home.

    you are overlooking yet another third party, the internet provider and the Transmission lines. Some providers have a flooding stop gap, possible they have placed that protocol on the service or is on the computer from a new installed protection update. Line trouble can also dump you as a data flood causes it to kick in, the system times out during the freeze and you end up at the login screen.

    many places to look for trouble, not just with the game provider.
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  • Fleshreaper
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sounds like your system cant handle the Alikr Dolmen ball groups.

    Um it's handled them 98% of the time I've done them (all 3 in continuous rotation for hours on end) & I've done them in the big groups with so much group dps and players that they're finished off in seconds.

    If it was my system then why did it just put me back at the login screen as opposed to say completely freezing my computer or the game completely crashing and why if it was my system did it only happen those 2 times as opposed to the tons of other times I've had no problems whatsoever?

    Computer parts go bad. I would start with, disabling all of your addons. Hit the dolmen again, no, problem. Turn your addons back one 3 at a time, until you find the one that is causing the problem. If disabling the addons does not work, try downloading some memory scanners. Run them on your memory. You can try other zones with large dolmen groups. Basically, you are going to have to trouble shoot this. It's clearly not a game problem and if it is, you will have to prove it because it's not wide spread.
  • Jakx
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    @daemondamian Would you mind posting the system specs of your computer? I think the truthful answer of what hardware you're using would answer why you're crashing to login. Also how many addons are you running?

    Hate to tell you but as the poster said above. Guaranteed to be a personal problem with either your system or addons. It does sound like a memory overload which can often happen with too many addons trying to process information when theres a ton of people on screen.
    Edited by Jakx on November 27, 2018 2:52PM
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  • The Uninvited
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    It's clearly not a game problem and if it is, you will have to prove it because it's not wide spread.

    You clearly haven't been to Cyrodiil lately.
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  • Yorkie_2018
    Grimm13 wrote: »

    you are overlooking yet another third party, the internet provider and the Transmission lines. Some providers have a flooding stop gap, possible they have placed that protocol on the service or is on the computer from a new installed protection update. Line trouble can also dump you as a data flood causes it to kick in, the system times out during the freeze and you end up at the login screen.

    many places to look for trouble, not just with the game provider.

    Sorry, I should have been clearer, the ISP was the third party I was talking about.
  • PrayingSeraph
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    I rarely get lag or kicked, but the past week has been REALLY bad with that for me. Lots of lag and freezes
  • idk
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    Are you getting kicked back to character select of to loggin? That minor detail is huge and it is not clear from the OP what exactly is occurring. I understand you are upset, but "Kicked off" is not very descriptive and it is the little detail in this matter that can help figure out where the issue actually lies.
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    Get use to it, if you want loyal service try another game. This game is still in early alpha atm lol:) they are also working on another game rumor has so this game isnt priority I don't think it ever was:) after they kick you they blame it on YOUR side for not being connected to the internet xD
    Edited by Zelos on November 27, 2018 7:59PM
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  • idk
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    Zelos wrote: »
    Get use to it, if you want loyal service try another game. This game is still in early alpha atm lol:) they are also working on another game rumor has so this game isnt priority I don't think it ever was:) after they kick you they blame it on YOUR side for not being connected to the internet xD

    Zos is not working on a different game. A different part of Bethesda is working on the next TES game.
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    idk wrote: »
    Zelos wrote: »
    Get use to it, if you want loyal service try another game. This game is still in early alpha atm lol:) they are also working on another game rumor has so this game isnt priority I don't think it ever was:) after they kick you they blame it on YOUR side for not being connected to the internet xD

    Zos is not working on a different game. A different part of Bethesda is working on the next TES game.

    I think ZOS is working on a different game (nothing to do with TES), but I've seen nothing to suggest that it's the ESO team that is working on it. However, there's no convincing some people that developers actually care about the project they're working on. Then again, I suppose that's fair given that some of us cannot understand why others can claim to love a game they take every opportunity to slam.
  • idk
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    Tandor wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    Zelos wrote: »
    Get use to it, if you want loyal service try another game. This game is still in early alpha atm lol:) they are also working on another game rumor has so this game isnt priority I don't think it ever was:) after they kick you they blame it on YOUR side for not being connected to the internet xD

    Zos is not working on a different game. A different part of Bethesda is working on the next TES game.

    I think ZOS is working on a different game (nothing to do with TES), but I've seen nothing to suggest that it's the ESO team that is working on it. However, there's no convincing some people that developers actually care about the project they're working on. Then again, I suppose that's fair given that some of us cannot understand why others can claim to love a game they take every opportunity to slam.

    Heck, maybe they are, but Zos seems to have increased their interaction with us as well.

    In the same token OP has clearly opened this thread just to complain without any interest in getting their situation resolved.

    If they were interested in getting their situation resolved they would have explained what is actually occurring since, as I pointed out already, there is a big difference between being kicked to character select and being kicked to loggin. Not to mention client actually crashing.

    They would also create a tech support ticket as well.

    If being kicked to character select it does have to do with the handoff between servers (physical or virtual).

    If being kicked to login screen then it is more likely internet connection is lost.

    If the internet connection is lost it only takes a moment and the connection to the game will not resume. It often takes short period of time before the game client responds and returns to login.

    If it is the latter of the two it is less likely to be a Zos issue.
  • daemondamian
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    I'm posting an update on this in case it helps anyone else experiencing the same or similar issues and to correct the misperception that all I ever wanted by making the original post was just to complain.

    In regards to being kicked out/back to the character login screen whilst attempting to do a busy Alik'r Dolmen or having other issues resulting in getting kicked out/back to the character login and/or being unable to interact or use the e key or having problems with the skills window;

    I don't believe it is my system being unable to handle the load.

    These are my results from Can You Run It and I run ESO on the highest settings except maybe for shadows due to the fact that sometimes I play it with Nvidia 3D Vision enabled and I think the shadows look buggy except on lower quality and I have only sometimes gotten minor lag at super busy Dolmens or when I start the game and Master Merchant is loading its report or if Avast starts it's scheduled weekly scan.

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    I realised that the time I've had the problem with the Dolmens and the times I've had other similar problems (unable to interact, skills window errors etc) is when there has been a long interval since previously playing ESO or I have been playing ESO on off for a long interval. By long I mean say overnight.

    If I restart my pc (I rarely turn it off) or it's been off then I generally don't have any issues or problems.

    I think it has something do with my internet connection.

    I have noted that if I use Utorrent to start a download of something after my pc has been on for a long interval that sometimes the torrents may only reach a certain lower speed that isn't the most of what my connection is capable of.

    After restarting my pc those same torrents will start downloading at the highest possible speed.

    I still sometimes but rarely get booted off/back to the login screen even when my pc hasn't been running for a long interval or has been restarted before I start playing ESO but as there is something about my internet connection that affects both Utorrent and ESO if my pc has been running for a long interval, in order to avoid very likely having these kinds of problems I simply just restart my pc first.
  • myskyrim26
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    @daemondamian

    A lot of people are farming dolmens. Actually, you can get more if doing 4 player dungeons. But if it is your first char, I strongly advise you to do quests. I rushed to 160 CPS and regreted it on my first char. 160 CPs give you nothing but a headache if you're not ready for it
    Edited by myskyrim26 on December 17, 2018 7:52AM
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    Only DC I have recovered the past 3 months was my router thinking a dungeon a great time to reboot.
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  • daemondamian
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    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    @daemondamian

    A lot of people are farming dolmens. Actually, you can get more if doing 4 player dungeons. But if it is your first char, I strongly advise you to do quests. I rushed to 160 CPS and regreted it on my first char. 160 CPs give you nothing but a headache if you're not ready for it

    Thanks it actually happened to my 2nd alt character (I have 3 almost 650 CP now and 2 more leveling up to 50). My original main sorcerer has completed all of the dolmens everywhere so I generally only farm dolmens if looking for a particular jewelry set.

    My preferred way to level up to 50 is now doing the main Morrowind Vivec quest, the main quest in Mournhold and the Psijic skill line quests or holiday event quests.
    Edited by daemondamian on December 17, 2018 9:10AM
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