generalmyrick wrote: »

Argonian, willows, mazzatun, engine guardian?

Is this a serious question? Willows is a terrible set, unless you're talking about niche scenarios, such as going heavy into health regen and combining it with Troll King. The set has been notorious for NOT taking all sources of regen into account, such as drinks, when calculating it's buff in the past. This may be fixed, but last time I tried, the extra regen it got me was so lacklustre it wasn't competitive with other stat-boosting sets. rabidrufus64 is right that it might work well on NB or with, say, wood elf, but you have to test whether that, in fact, all stacks multiplicatively or whether Willows - as usual - ignores most of your other buffs and just calculates from the base regen. My suspicion is that you won't be a sustain monster from using Willows.

Health regen is nice when the set is stronger (Troll King), when you get it for free (Citrus Fillet), when you really only want the speed (Steed mundus), or when you specifically build for it (Troll King + Orgnum's Scales + Willows, let's say). In other cases it's a highly questionable stat to invest in. Whenever I have a choice between tri-regen drinks and dual-regen drinks, I find that dual-regen (just mag regen + stam regen) plays better.

What's more, you're stacking all regen for ... what? If you aren't tanky enough, PvPers will burst you and no amount of health regen will help. You need a certain amount of tankiness or you need to be elusive. Let's get to that next. If you want to be a magblade, regen doesn't help with Cloak sustain out of combat. Don't ask why. What you need is Atro mundus, drinks, and some cost reduction instead. Let's say you are a stamblade, then. Stam regen is very nice. I play a woodelf stamblade and having 2.3K stam regen upwards is really nice for that playstyle. However, dodge rolling DOES have escalating costs. If you want to do it constantly, which is what a trolly all-regen setup is perhaps aiming for, you don't need regen, you need - guess what - cost reduction. You can roll all the way from Alessia to Sejanus with an all medium, all Well-Fitted, all stamina cost reduction setup.

Engine Guardian is a decent set that was popular in the past, not least when templars could repent it. Personally I never liked it, because I don't like random things. An argument could be made that sorcs and DKs can convert the wrong resource with skills, or perhaps any class can meditate when they get health. I just find that sometimes the set procs constantly, sometimes it just doesn't. Meh.

I've never tried Mazzatun. Having that set, and being an Argonian, is a bit like having access to 3 tri-stat potions every 45 seconds. That may be nice, but it doesn't synergise with Willows. If you want to use Willows you absolutely have to stack into all regens, otherwise the bonus isn't worth it. Come to think of it, I did try Willows on my woodelf stamblade, but you need double regen drinks and Troll King with it. Even then it did not add great stamina + magicka regen, and Troll King alone did not make a stamblade tanky.

At the end of the day, there are two problems here. Mazzatun + Argonian is OK, or Willows Path (subject to all the caveats), but I don't like them in combination. The other problem is, you'll be severely compromised in either damage or defense. If you build for damage, medium, your damage won't be great, your Vigor won't be great, you'll be squishy, and you'll have to do a lot of dodging. If you build for damage, light, you'll be super squishy and you'll have low magicka, meaning your shields will be crap. If you build for defense, let's say heavy + Protective jewelry, you're basically a regen tank. Your damage will suck even more. To be clear, Willow's Path is really the biggest problem. It requires you use drinks. It is best combined with other sets (Troll King) that it can amp up. That pigeonholes your build into a kind of trolly tank build, a DK maybe. Like I said, I tried it on stamblade, and it didn't feel great at all.

Actually, I've gone off on too many tangents. The main thing is, you're building for all sustain. What do you need that for? Oversustaining is wasteful. You don't need that for Imperial City PvE. Having 2K regen on your primary resource will pretty much sustain you without heavy attacks. Depends on build, but there or thereabouts, and that's achievable without any of this.

The other question is, do you want to be a tank or healer troll, in PvP? Cause that's really the only scenario where you might want tons of sustain, but those sets aren't the way to get it. If you're blocking on either stamina or magicka, then that resource sustain is wasted. If you're shielding, you also only need magicka. More likely you should be looking at sets like Desert Rose.

Incidentally, one of your biggest sources of sustain in Imperial City with a destro staff is that passive which gives you back something like 3.6K magicka, if I'm not mistaken, for killing a mob with a destro skill.

Try Dunmer DK, Pelinal’s

generalmyrick wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Try Dunmer DK, Pelinal’s

dunmer, necro, pelinals?

A friend of mine was toying around with a hybrid on his MagDk this week. Added rending and steel tornado hit pretty hard. He ran skoria and I forgot the second set. Wasn’t necro. Hit pretty hard. I remember he had half in stam half in magicka. I’ll ask him what his second set was. He dropped it though. Hybrids don’t really work. We all concluded (after a bunch of duels) that his skill was really carrying him and not the build. (He’s really good and a known 1vXer). So, he dropped it.

The funny thing is, when he first started he ran a crappy hybrid build. He got really good at the game and came back to it. Tried to make a go of it but dropped it. I was like, “you gave up THE DREAM”. He was like “I can wreck people with it! But...NAH...”

Pelinals is def an interesting set. It makes your light and heavy attacks scale off of you highest stat, say magicka. But you still need a bunch of stam for your DW (or w/e weapon ABILITIES). He went DW. Also to break free and block. Um maybe shacklebreaker or Sloads even. I know he went 1 Balough and 1 Kena for all the weapon and spell damage for a bit; but liked Skoria a bit better as it was basically a dot build.

It was interesting all in all, particularly pelinals.

generalmyrick wrote: »

where might this build shine?

Nowhere, ESO