Different flavors:
- shadiw mage with cloak - NB
- mobile lighting mage with ranged burst - sorc
- stationary light battery platform - Templar.
I'd say the best is Sorc. Undodgeable/unblockable curse burst and passive execute
Different flavors:
- shadiw mage with cloak - NB
- mobile lighting mage with ranged burst - sorc
- stationary light battery platform - Templar.
I'd say the best is Sorc. Undodgeable/unblockable curse burst and passive execute
I'd say worst is sorc.. the need to stay alive long enough to set up your 4-second burst makes glass-cannoning not work this patch imho.
Emma_Overload wrote: »Sorcerer would be best at 28 meters, but your Nightblade will be much more useful when you discover that there is no such thing as ranged combat in ESO.
At least when Swift was at 10%, gap closers had become less popular, and Rune Cage was still instant. Magsorc could do some interesting things, like Streak from the top of one tower, on the outer walls of a keep, to another, then turn around immediately for attack. The best players have that creativity or, at least, have learned the tricks of their trade. I was actually the one caught out, as I tend to get frustrated by strategic play. A similar principle in IC. There are locations where a sorc is able to streak onto protected platforms. Good players will use that to reset a fight.FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Sorcerer would be best at 28 meters, but your Nightblade will be much more useful when you discover that there is no such thing as ranged combat in ESO.
This right here. With spammable long range gap closers being a thing in ESO. Ranged PvP combat simply does not exist in this game. Even BnS had somewhat ranged combat where gap closers couldn't be spammed. And that was a melee MMO. This is the only MMO i've played where ranged combat is useless.
Insightful post. I just want to elaborate on a few things that come to mind.arkansas_ESO wrote: »As somebody's that's played glass cannons on both:
NB has higher damage potential if you're going all-in, but sorc's damage is less easily mitigated.
Both can use Soul Assault, but I agree that Soul Harvest is the better and more versatile skill. Soul Assault leaves you open to counter-attack and is quite useless in tower fights, due to LoS. I use Incap for the CC.NB ideally wants to use Soul Harvest to buff their Assassin's Will for the highest damage, but requires going melee range on a glass cannon that can't easily reposition due to shade bug. Sorc can just weave Overload into their combo.
Having played both warden and DK, I agree about DK, less so about warden. Flapping wings on a DK tends to shut down ranged magblades hard, because of the reflect. They tend to back off as their own attacks keep hitting them. The warden shield, though, people give you ultimate, but they can just bombard it and may succeed in powering through. This is from the PoV of a stam DK / stamden who cannot sustain either shield indefinitely.NB is going to be hard countered by certain classes (DKs with wings, Wardens with Shimmering) whereas a full-damage sorc can still burst through. Fury and Curse being unreflectable and Rune Cage being ranged help out a lot against mag DKs, for example.
Get a master ice staff and spam Frost Reach on people then . Not kidding, btw. Very effective in 1v1.FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Sorcerer would be best at 28 meters, but your Nightblade will be much more useful when you discover that there is no such thing as ranged combat in ESO.
This right here. With spammable long range gap closers being a thing in ESO. Ranged PvP combat simply does not exist in this game. Even BnS had somewhat ranged combat where gap closers couldn't be spammed. And that was a melee MMO. This is the only MMO i've played where ranged combat is useless.
Why is magden not on the list? I don't know how I'd build this patch, but magden was good for an average player, like me, when it first came out. Underrated. A basic Necropotence magicka stacking build had strong defenses (Dampen), great self-healing, decent-ish mobility (Bird of Prey, snare reduction passive), and tons of raw damage. Almost all of that has been nerfed, come to think of it, e.g. speed, CC (Arctic Blast looks like a bad joke), and shields. Yeah...
I played ranged magplar for a short while, e.g. with Crushing Shock and Dampen shield. I liked it, quite effective, but playing both Ranged and with Sweeps, it soon became apparent that Sweeps combines better with tankiness, not shields. What makes magplar unique, when you play mainly in IC, is that they are nigh-on invulnerable while they engage NPCs with Sweeps. You can be sniped while taking a flag. It does not matter. You deal with the sniper afterwards.
For solo play I would say it's between NB and sorc. Other classes aren't even in the running due to their lack of mobility / escape mechanics. People use Mist Form, but I'd take Cloak / Shade / Streak any day. That said, I love my magplar for it's versatility. You only need minimal build changes to be decent in nTrials and vDungeons, and I love giving shards to people. It's what I run vDSA with. That's a boon for someone whose main focus is PvP.
Why is magden not on the list? I don't know how I'd build this patch, but magden was good for an average player, like me, when it first came out. Underrated. A basic Necropotence magicka stacking build had strong defenses (Dampen), great self-healing, decent-ish mobility (Bird of Prey, snare reduction passive), and tons of raw damage. Almost all of that has been nerfed, come to think of it, e.g. speed, CC (Arctic Blast looks like a bad joke), and shields. Yeah...
I played ranged magplar for a short while, e.g. with Crushing Shock and Dampen shield. I liked it, quite effective, but playing both Ranged and with Sweeps, it soon became apparent that Sweeps combines better with tankiness, not shields. What makes magplar unique, when you play mainly in IC, is that they are nigh-on invulnerable while they engage NPCs with Sweeps. You can be sniped while taking a flag. It does not matter. You deal with the sniper afterwards.
For solo play I would say it's between NB and sorc. Other classes aren't even in the running due to their lack of mobility / escape mechanics. People use Mist Form, but I'd take Cloak / Shade / Streak any day. That said, I love my magplar for it's versatility. You only need minimal build changes to be decent in nTrials and vDungeons, and I love giving shards to people. It's what I run vDSA with. That's a boon for someone whose main focus is PvP.
Because a magden can't be a glass cannon.
WuffyCerulei wrote: »Templars got pretty buffed this patch and are doing better than nightblades in both damage and sustain. Heck, a friend who was playing a magblade in vAS+2 went magplar and loves it. While our magblades are unfortunately struggling to sustain. And the best builds for magplar dps is all ranged.
WuffyCerulei wrote: »Templars got pretty buffed this patch and are doing better than nightblades in both damage and sustain. Heck, a friend who was playing a magblade in vAS+2 went magplar and loves it. While our magblades are unfortunately struggling to sustain. And the best builds for magplar dps is all ranged.
WuffyCerulei wrote: »Templars got pretty buffed this patch and are doing better than nightblades in both damage and sustain. Heck, a friend who was playing a magblade in vAS+2 went magplar and loves it. While our magblades are unfortunately struggling to sustain. And the best builds for magplar dps is all ranged.
Um, huh? Magblade struggle to sustain?
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »Templars got pretty buffed this patch and are doing better than nightblades in both damage and sustain. Heck, a friend who was playing a magblade in vAS+2 went magplar and loves it. While our magblades are unfortunately struggling to sustain. And the best builds for magplar dps is all ranged.
Sure we’re talking about pve or pvp? I’m lost at the sustain comment, no magblade should struggle to sustain besides melee.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »as you all know, it bears repeating obviously. if you want a proper vote then you need to get all of the @names in eso because this forum is a very small % of the games community.
a very Large portion of eso community never come to these forums.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »Templars got pretty buffed this patch and are doing better than nightblades in both damage and sustain. Heck, a friend who was playing a magblade in vAS+2 went magplar and loves it. While our magblades are unfortunately struggling to sustain. And the best builds for magplar dps is all ranged.
Sure we’re talking about pve or pvp? I’m lost at the sustain comment, no magblade should struggle to sustain besides melee.
Idk why but this question irks me so bad. This is the pvp section of the forum; welcome. Now please stop asking if we’re talking in respect to pve....
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »as you all know, it bears repeating obviously. if you want a proper vote then you need to get all of the @names in eso because this forum is a very small % of the games community.
a very Large portion of eso community never come to these forums.
Very true, sorta given up saying the same thing, why people do polls on here completely baffles me, you say a number of times, that the vast majority of the playerbase never come here, yet they still persist on their polls.