Two questions on gear as a new CP160

Petoften · November 2018

1. What should I do for daggers for my (nightblade) rogue?

2. What 'set' items should I look for for stamina rogue (damage), whether buying, finding, undaunted pieces, or whatever? So many choices.

Latios · November 2018

Well, the game has 3 main roles. It seems you want to DPS. However, you must think about PvP or PvE as your objective when getting gear. They are drastically different.

Do you want to be competitive, or to just roleplay(rogue)? Do you want to play in PvE or PvP? We can start thinking about builds when you decide.

Also, Alcast's website has builds on NBs. Try checking there for some basic info.

Petoften · November 2018

Latios wrote: »

Well, the game has 3 main roles. It seems you want to DPS. However, you must think about PvP or PvE as your objective when getting gear. They are drastically different.

Do you want to be competitive, or to just roleplay(rogue)? Do you want to play in PvE or PvP? We can start thinking about builds when you decide.

Also, Alcast's website has builds on NBs. Try checking there for some basic info.

Ah - PvE, more casual than min/max (but what are choices), and I'll check Alcast also.

MartiniDaniels · November 2018

You may farm spriggans in Bangkorai and Automaton in Deshaan dungeon, also develop
fighters guild skill line first of all. you’ll be fine with that in the beginning, also training on dummy is a must, it will double or even triple your dps.

Mr_Walker · November 2018

MartiniDaniels gives solid advice. Spriggans and automaton is a good basic set. Don't forget to check Golden Vendor for Monster sets as well.

malicia · November 2018

@Petoften - on what server are you playing? I'd recommend that you join a casual/social guild. What gear you need depends very much on your play style, the content you want to do, the effort you want to put into it and your skill level.

Then the damage you do depends much more on skill and build balance than on gear.

A good guild will have people willing to spend the time to help with a build suitable for your goals

FrancisCrawford · November 2018

I play my Bosmer stamblade very casually, although he has duoed 10 or so of the easier group dungeons. Mainly, I play him in easy overland content as a thief, wearing Night Terror and Night's Silence gear. Unfortunately, an optimal thief uses a different morph (Concealed Weapon) from one of the key stamina nightblade class skills (Surprise Attack). Oh well.

When he's headed into a more serious fight (typically a dolmen/geyser or world boss), I change his gear. (This is easy to do via a PC add-on.) There I wear Briarheart, Spriggan's, and a monster set. (Sellestrix seems more likely than Kragh or Selene to proc at bow range, but Kragh has a better one-piece bonus.) Briarheart is a little harder to farm than overland dropped sets from the 15 basic zones or Summerset, because there are no dolmens to reliably supply jewelry. And no dropped set is easy to farm for weapons. You might find it easier to use one dropped set (like Spriggan's) and one crafted one (like Hunding's Rage).

Sparr0w · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

1. What should I do for daggers for my (nightblade) rogue?

2. What 'set' items should I look for for stamina rogue (damage), whether buying, finding, undaunted pieces, or whatever? So many choices.

2x daggers, infused. bow back bar, also infused.

Gear you have options, crafted sets (Crafted or bought) your best bet is Hundings. Although NMG, TBS, Mechanical Acuity could all be used.

Dungeon (Farmed only) sets you have Leviathan, Automaton. Toothrow & Vipers could both be used also.

Overland (Farmed or bought) you have Briarheart, Spriggans, Red Mountain, Swamp Raider.

Also there's a couple of trial and heavy armour sets which are pretty good, however having just hit cp160 I doubt you'll have them or the means to transmute them yet.

Good luck

Yorkie_2018 · November 2018

Would agree, unless you have the cash to buy Briarheart from a guild store, the easiest to get is Hunding’s Rage as a crafted set and Spriggans from Bangkorai overland content.

zaria · November 2018

Yorkie_2018 wrote: »

Would agree, unless you have the cash to buy Briarheart from a guild store, the easiest to get is Hunding’s Rage as a crafted set and Spriggans from Bangkorai overland content.

Yes get hurdling weapons and armor, jewelry and armor from some cheap overland set unless you can afford Briarheart who is idiotic expensive. Now you have an basic set, you can now farm more and get an monster set.

AcadianPaladin · November 2018

Spriggans x5 is good. Farm a dolmen in Bangkorai till you get purple rings and necklace. Then you can buy a couple armor pieces from the guild traders for cheap. Avoid helms and shoulders.

Hungings Rage x5 is also good and gets you to 10 slots. Crafted so easy to get your daggers. Avoid helms and shoulders.

You then have two slots left - helms and shoulders. I'd consider Slimecraw monster helm set x2. The shoulders are easy to get by running any group dungeons and farming Maj's box. The helm is one of the easier ones to get since Veteran Wayrest Sewers is a fairly straightforward intro to Vet dungeons.

There's 12 full slots that are pretty easy to get and pretty effective.

Petoften · November 2018

Thanks for the replies, good info to look into - but can you clarify the dagger recommendation? I see '2x daggers infused' but am not sure what that is saying exactly to do. Or I also see Hungings rage set daggers recommended?

Sparr0w · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

Thanks for the replies, good info to look into - but can you clarify the dagger recommendation? I see '2x daggers infused' but am not sure what that is saying exactly to do. Or I also see Hungings rage set daggers recommended?

For PvE stamina build you want to run 2x daggers, both of these in the infused trait. You will want to enchant these with an absorb stamina glyph and a poison damage glyph.

Daggers can be anything but for now since you would have just started farming I'd run both daggers in the crafted Hundings Rage set along with 3x body pieces.

Then farm 2x body pieces and 3x jewellery of another set (jewellery from Dolmens, body pieces from Delves, Bosses, Dungeons etc...) as overland weapons are hard to farm.

Wifeaggro13 · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

1. What should I do for daggers for my (nightblade) rogue?

2. What 'set' items should I look for for stamina rogue (damage), whether buying, finding, undaunted pieces, or whatever? So many choices.

remember gear is more about the trait when looking at your indvidual sets. ZOS thought they would be clever by hiding the grind behind this but all it did was remove the feeling of accomplishment when your piece dropped. Itemization in this game is very lack luster.

JumpmanLane · November 2018

can’t go wrong Hundings Spriggans to start. Main hand Beserker nirnhoned, off hand crusher sharp is still very viable as a start. Back bar nirnhoned befouled or something.

Colecovision · November 2018

The old tower is a quest in the south side of bankorai. It gives a precise spriggan's dagger as a reward called the scarb's sting. Spriggans infused daggers are very expensive, so go ahead and grab the free precise one. If you do it with a second character, you can get a second dagger. You do need the second character to be at level 50 of course.

There is a bow that you get for completing the will of the woods quest. I think it's infused, but I don't remember for sure.

If you are able to go with jewelry and weapons in spriggans, you can easily farm a second set in normal dungeons.

Petoften · November 2018

Colecovision wrote: »

The old tower is a quest in the south side of bankorai. It gives a precise spriggan's dagger as a reward called the scarb's sting. Spriggans infused daggers are very expensive, so go ahead and grab the free precise one. If you do it with a second character, you can get a second dagger. You do need the second character to be at level 50 of course.

There is a bow that you get for completing the will of the woods quest. I think it's infused, but I don't remember for sure.

If you are able to go with jewelry and weapons in spriggans, you can easily farm a second set in normal dungeons.

Huh - I'd done some questing around there but luckily hadn't done that quest early or I couldn't get the CP160 dagger.

I got it; it doesn't look like much, 1060 basic stats with set items, but if you guys say it's good.

Petoften · November 2018

JumpmanLane wrote: »

can’t go wrong Hundings Spriggans to start. Main hand Beserker nirnhoned, off hand crusher sharp is still very viable as a start. Back bar nirnhoned befouled or something.

What are Berserker, crusher and befouled referring to?

Some said to use trait infused, others nirhorned.

Petoften · November 2018

I found the Hundings Rage crafting. And remembered my crafting levels are only about 6-7, so maybe it's not worth making until 10?

zaria · November 2018

Your crafting level need to be as high you can make items of your level. For 160 that is level 50, get some to craft it for you.

Varana · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

What are Berserker, crusher and befouled referring to?

Enchantments. Berserk: Increase weapon damage (Repora+Okori), Crusher: decrease target resistances (Itade+Deteri), Befouled: deal disease (Repora+Haoko).

Petoften wrote: »

Some said to use trait infused, others nirhorned.

The difference is not that big. Nirnhoned is quite expensive, so if it suits you better, go with Infused; depending on who you listen to, either one can come out on top.

If you're crafting stuff yourself, definitely craft only CP160 gear if you are at CP160+.

Sparr0w · November 2018

Varana wrote: »

Petoften wrote: »

What are Berserker, crusher and befouled referring to?

Enchantments. Berserk: Increase weapon damage (Repora+Okori), Crusher: decrease target resistances (Itade+Deteri), Befouled: deal disease (Repora+Haoko).

Petoften wrote: »

Some said to use trait infused, others nirhorned.

The difference is not that big. Nirnhoned is quite expensive, so if it suits you better, go with Infused; depending on who you listen to, either one can come out on top.

If you're crafting stuff yourself, definitely craft only CP160 gear if you are at CP160+.

Just adding to this Nirnhoned requires a potent nirncrux (can either farm it in Craglorn or buy one for around 15k), you then need to research the trait & either craft or transmute with 50 crystals. you have to do this as you cannot find nirnhoned weapons.

The DPS difference between infused and nirnhoned is minimal, this patch in particularly infused is actually slightly better so I would just stick with infused.

Poison & Beserking (increase weapon damage) glyphs are mandatory for pve stamina dps, the other glyph can be anything you choose, however I run an absorb stamina glyph which will allow you to run blue food for extra resources (including extra health).

Petoften · November 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Just adding to this Nirnhoned requires a potent nirncrux (can either farm it in Craglorn or buy one for around 15k), you then need to research the trait & either craft or transmute with 50 crystals. you have to do this as you cannot find nirnhoned weapons.

The DPS difference between infused and nirnhoned is minimal, this patch in particularly infused is actually slightly better so I would just stick with infused.

Poison & Beserking (increase weapon damage) glyphs are mandatory for pve stamina dps, the other glyph can be anything you choose, however I run an absorb stamina glyph which will allow you to run blue food for extra resources (including extra health).

Wouldn't you know it I'm in the middle of a research of nirnhorn now.

What are you referring to with transmute and 50 crystals, does that mean adding the trait to a weapon that doesn't have it? I think I know what crystals you're referring to, I get one for a dungeon (not sure if that's 1/day limit or unlimited).

What is the third glyph you refer to? I assume the first two, poison and berserking, are for the two weapons.

I'm at BS 9, so as I get from 40 to 50... should I make a set dagger or not? (I'll also re-read this thread for an answer).

Sparr0w · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Just adding to this Nirnhoned requires a potent nirncrux (can either farm it in Craglorn or buy one for around 15k), you then need to research the trait & either craft or transmute with 50 crystals. you have to do this as you cannot find nirnhoned weapons.

The DPS difference between infused and nirnhoned is minimal, this patch in particularly infused is actually slightly better so I would just stick with infused.

Poison & Beserking (increase weapon damage) glyphs are mandatory for pve stamina dps, the other glyph can be anything you choose, however I run an absorb stamina glyph which will allow you to run blue food for extra resources (including extra health).

Wouldn't you know it I'm in the middle of a research of nirnhorn now.

What are you referring to with transmute and 50 crystals, does that mean adding the trait to a weapon that doesn't have it? I think I know what crystals you're referring to, I get one for a dungeon (not sure if that's 1/day limit or unlimited).

What is the third glyph you refer to? I assume the first two, poison and berserking, are for the two weapons.

I'm at BS 9, so as I get from 40 to 50... should I make a set dagger or not? (I'll also re-read this thread for an answer).

They're all weapon enchants, poison you have on your front bar, beserking (weapon damage) on your bow bar, then the final enchant is personal preference, however I run absorb stamina enchant as it hits basically the same as the alternatives but allows you to use blue food for extra health and stamina.

Yes when you get to max blacksmithing I would craft yourself 2x hunding daggers, 1x hundings bow and 3x hundings body pieces (weapons infused, body medium divines). Then farm for another set, probably spriggans or briarheart. Make sure to enchant the weapons and body, body should be all max stamina, or health on your chest.

Monster sets the easiest ones to get (these go on your head and shoulder) are Kra'ghs, followed by Selenes, then StormFist, then Velidreth. The order from best to worse is Veli>Selenes>Storm>Kra'gh however the difference is small so use any.

Regarding transmutes yes there is a cap on the limit you can get, not sure of exacts but it's like:
PVP: 20
Pledges: 12
Random dungeon: 5
Random Battleground: 5
PVP End of campaign: 50

Sure there's an exact count somewhere, Alcast might have done a video...

Varana · November 2018

There is no hard cap on crystals you get per day but you can hold only 100 (200 with ESO+) crystals on your account at any time. (Unopened geodes don't count so you can let them sit in your inventory.) The amount of crystals you get from a daily dungeon also depends on the difficulty - you'll get 1 on normal, 2-10 on vet, or something like that.
And yes, they're for changing traits like e.g. Training to Infused.

Petoften · November 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

They're all weapon enchants, poison you have on your front bar, beserking (weapon damage) on your bow bar, then the final enchant is personal preference, however I run absorb stamina enchant as it hits basically the same as the alternatives but allows you to use blue food for extra health and stamina.

Yes when you get to max blacksmithing I would craft yourself 2x hunding dagger

Thanks, still not quite clear on the enchants. If you had said the three were for each dagger and a bow, that'd make sense.

But poison is an add-on to the daggers; are you saying to enchant that somehow? Or did you just refer to the poison as an enchant? Doesn't the poison suppress the enchant on the weapon (have to determine which is better)?

I think I have one 'hunding dagger' from the quest, just use that instead of a crafted one? Should I upgrade the quality?

Sparr0w · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

They're all weapon enchants, poison you have on your front bar, beserking (weapon damage) on your bow bar, then the final enchant is personal preference, however I run absorb stamina enchant as it hits basically the same as the alternatives but allows you to use blue food for extra health and stamina.

Yes when you get to max blacksmithing I would craft yourself 2x hunding dagger

Thanks, still not quite clear on the enchants. If you had said the three were for each dagger and a bow, that'd make sense.

But poison is an add-on to the daggers; are you saying to enchant that somehow? Or did you just refer to the poison as an enchant? Doesn't the poison suppress the enchant on the weapon (have to determine which is better)?

I think I have one 'hunding dagger' from the quest, just use that instead of a crafted one? Should I upgrade the quality?

@Petoften You get weapons in a trait which will then be enchanted, you can have 1 enchant per weapon, so poison enchant on one dagger, absorb stamina enchant on another dagger, beserking enchant on the bow.

Poisons (not to be confused with poison enchant) do suppress enchants, these used to be used on the bow pre summerset, now they are only really used in PvP.

GreenhaloX · November 2018

For PvE, I prefer 2H over DW as I kill all things faster and better with 2H. However, for DW (I have played around with DW), particularly, since you've just reach CP 160 and not yet (comfortably) able to join in vet dungeons for the monster head piece, I would recommend using 2 x 5 pieces set for armor and jewelries, and Agility weapons; as Agility gives extra max 1400 stamina. I prefer sword and axe for the DW front bar and bow back bar; axe for the bleed. I also enchant Crushing on the Infused bow for fracture. Weapon increase on the sword and poison on the axe.

Set-wise.. Spriggans, fine if you want it, but there are better sets (to me as least.) If you can get into trials (it may take a bit of farming), then get Twice-Fang instead; better than Spriggans. I also like Innate Axiom for the extra juice to class abilities. War Maiden is also good for the stamblade or magblade's magic damages. If you want extra juices for your Rapid Strikes and other DW skills, then get Sword Dancer. It drops from one of the non-DLC dungeons. I think Crypt of Heart or Vault of Madness. Sorry, I can't remember; been awhile.

So, let's say any of these:

- 5x Sword Dancer, 5x Innate Axiom, Agility Sword, Dagger or Axe and Agility bow. Your choice on sharpened or infused. Me, I prefer sharpened sword, infused axe and bow

- 5x Twice Fangs, 5x War Maiden and Agility

- 5x War Maiden and 5x Innate Axiom and Agility

- Maybe 5x Spriggans and Innate Axiom and Agility

You can play around with it. When you're able to get 2x monster set, there are lots of good one to throw on a stamblade; from Velidreth, Grothdarr, to Stormfist and Domihaus. Play around with it and see what you like. Until then, I recommend the Agility for weapons so you can still get 2 x 5-piece sets into your build. Same as if you're running a new CP 160 mag toon, I recommend Willpower for the weapons then. If you're into the Maelstrom fanatic, then go for it; use those in place of Agility (have fun farming those.. ha ha.) Personally, I prefer 2x 5-piece sets and the monster pieces; rather, than adding in the Maelstrom and only getting 1x 5-piece set. You will need to get 3x Willpower or Agility jewelries to compensate if you're using Maelstrom; which is still powerful. It's just preference, and mine happens to be the perks and proc of 2x 5-piece sets. However, with my 2H stamsorc and 2H stamblade, I do use Maelstrom bow because my 2H is Sword-Singer, and you don't need a Sword-Singer bow (even if such exits.)

Also, for any stam toon, you definitely want to get Razor Caltrops and Vigor. All and all, however, get away from the DW transparent craze. 2H greatsword is much better..

(well.. when they come to finally fix the damn reticle issue that causing Dizzying Swing to misfire and reset. What a ffing load of crapshoot!)

Juju_beans · November 2018

Petoften wrote: »

1. What should I do for daggers for my (nightblade) rogue?

2. What 'set' items should I look for for stamina rogue (damage), whether buying, finding, undaunted pieces, or whatever? So many choices.

I do crafting so for my NB I have Hundings/Spriggans. Hundings weapons and they are golded out.
I filled in gaps with some Agility jewelry until I got some monster sets via Golden vendor.

Petoften · December 2018

OK, before I get to some of the fancier ideas above I haven't seen in game, my blacksmithing is now level 10, so I'm ready to craft a dagger. I have the scarab sting, Spriggan's Thorns set, which I upgraded to epic.

Otherwise, I'm using 5/5 Viper's Sting and 3/5 unfathomable darkness, mainly because they seemed ok and I got them.

Option 1: Craft a set dagger (which set? Another Spriggan's or something else?)

Option 2: Craft a dagger with a trait (just learned nirnhorn's' today).

Option 3: other ideas?

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

The best weapon+jewelry sets for your gearup are non-crafted ones. So you would have to buy or farm them.

Also, as a real rogue, you would pickpocket or kill NPCs, probably for loot or your bad boy guilds, DB and TG.

Therefore, you would need an additional gearup. I recommend 3 parts Night Terror and 5 parts Night Mother's Embrace. All armor and weapons. For the jewels and the last armor piece, I recommend either 4 parts Might of the Lost Legion or one part Domihaus and 3 parts Sload’s Semblance (other sets work similar for 2/3 piece boni, but this one could be used otherwise too). Jewels in swift trait.