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Would More PTS Participation Make the Game Better?
BleedMe_AnOcean
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What do you think? If more people participated in PTS/PTR or whatever ZOS calls it, would it help weed out some of the bugs before chapters/zones/other changes go live?
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I tried, I saw many feedback from lots of people but ZOS simply ignored all the feedback we gave...10
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BleedMe_AnOcean✭✭✭I tried, I saw many feedback from lots of people but ZOS simply ignored all the feedback we gave...
That's the answer I expected, to be honest. I haven't participated because I don't want to deal with a buggy experience. I considered it - briefly - which is why I'm asking my question here. If it's not worth it, and if grievances aren't heard, I'll just stick to non-PTS content.0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, because all of these problems, i'm sure at this point are intentionally neglected, the higher ups, don't care and never really cared about making a good game, all the resources are spent in making new content and crown store items, it's a cash grab.
Which is why this game will not last for many more years i think.5 -
BleedMe_AnOcean✭✭✭No, because all of these problems, i'm sure at this point are intentionally neglected, the higher ups, don't care and never really cared about making a good game, all the resources are spent in making new content and crown store items, it's a cash grab.
Which is why this game will not last for many more years i think.
Though I see your point, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think anything ZOS has done is malicious.
Remember that these companies are catering to a younger player base. For example, Fallout 76. Most can't stand it, but my 14yo son LOVES it and plays daily with his friends. They all preordered. They all played beta. He doesn't understand why it's getting so much hate, but I do.
Is ZOS attempting to make ESO a cash grab? Maybe to a degree, but if that were really 100% true, you'd find the best gear gated behind cash purchases. It's not - at least not yet.
It does sometimes seem as if they don't care about the state of the game. Though the forums are riddled with whiners and entitled brats who think their classes need to be OP while the rest get nerfed straight into the ground, I've seen plenty of well-thought, well-written, objective complaints by the masses go completely ignored. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why have a PTS and a place to talk about in-game bugs if said feedback is just being ignored?2 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There was this one time where people informed ZOS that the people depositing items in housing storage chest were bugged, and you could lose the stuff. ZOS went live anyway and many people lost their stuff in storage chest ...
This is just an example among others.7 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »What do you think? If more people participated in PTS/PTR or whatever ZOS calls it, would it help weed out some of the bugs before chapters/zones/other changes go live?
If more people tested things rather than carving out their next build it would be cool, but yeah even if they do ZOS dont listen i.e. Rune cage in Summerset.Xbox One | EU | EP
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »I tried, I saw many feedback from lots of people but ZOS simply ignored all the feedback we gave...
That's the answer I expected, to be honest. I haven't participated because I don't want to deal with a buggy experience. I considered it - briefly - which is why I'm asking my question here. If it's not worth it, and if grievances aren't heard, I'll just stick to non-PTS content.
PTS is honestly not really more buggy than live. Any bugs found on PTS tend not to be fixed for another update or two, unless it's a costume clipping issue or a mute NPC.1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »No, because all of these problems, i'm sure at this point are intentionally neglected, the higher ups, don't care and never really cared about making a good game, all the resources are spent in making new content and crown store items, it's a cash grab.
Which is why this game will not last for many more years i think.
Though I see your point, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think anything ZOS has done is malicious.
Remember that these companies are catering to a younger player base. For example, Fallout 76. Most can't stand it, but my 14yo son LOVES it and plays daily with his friends. They all preordered. They all played beta. He doesn't understand why it's getting so much hate, but I do.
Is ZOS attempting to make ESO a cash grab? Maybe to a degree, but if that were really 100% true, you'd find the best gear gated behind cash purchases. It's not - at least not yet.
It does sometimes seem as if they don't care about the state of the game. Though the forums are riddled with whiners and entitled brats who think their classes need to be OP while the rest get nerfed straight into the ground, I've seen plenty of well-thought, well-written, objective complaints by the masses go completely ignored. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why have a PTS and a place to talk about in-game bugs if said feedback is just being ignored?
Isn't fallout 76 a 18 + game? If that is the case, then they aren't really doing a good job marketing the game to the "correct" people.
And also who do you think these microtransaction i was speaking of are aimed to? They are aimed to people with little to no self control, children and adolescent are part of that category.Edited by JinMori on November 19, 2018 4:51PM1 -
BleedMe_AnOcean✭✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »No, because all of these problems, i'm sure at this point are intentionally neglected, the higher ups, don't care and never really cared about making a good game, all the resources are spent in making new content and crown store items, it's a cash grab.
Which is why this game will not last for many more years i think.
Though I see your point, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think anything ZOS has done is malicious.
Remember that these companies are catering to a younger player base. For example, Fallout 76. Most can't stand it, but my 14yo son LOVES it and plays daily with his friends. They all preordered. They all played beta. He doesn't understand why it's getting so much hate, but I do.
Is ZOS attempting to make ESO a cash grab? Maybe to a degree, but if that were really 100% true, you'd find the best gear gated behind cash purchases. It's not - at least not yet.
It does sometimes seem as if they don't care about the state of the game. Though the forums are riddled with whiners and entitled brats who think their classes need to be OP while the rest get nerfed straight into the ground, I've seen plenty of well-thought, well-written, objective complaints by the masses go completely ignored. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why have a PTS and a place to talk about in-game bugs if said feedback is just being ignored?
Isn't fallout 76 a 18 + game? If that is the case, then they aren't really doing a good job marketing the game to the "correct" people..
I don't mean kids. I mean young adults - not those of us who grew up playing Legend of Zelda on NES64 thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not really because most of the issues plaguing the game now and shortly after Murkmire released were well document and reported. They just didn't do anything about it.
For example, here is a video Alcast made about Torug's Pact before Murkmire was released. You really have no excuses when the most known player of your game reports a game breaking issue and still it makes it into the live servers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R38vrBfYSY Edited by MaxJrFTW on November 19, 2018 5:00PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4333 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »No, because all of these problems, i'm sure at this point are intentionally neglected, the higher ups, don't care and never really cared about making a good game, all the resources are spent in making new content and crown store items, it's a cash grab.
Which is why this game will not last for many more years i think.
Though I see your point, I'm not sure I agree. I don't think anything ZOS has done is malicious.
Remember that these companies are catering to a younger player base. For example, Fallout 76. Most can't stand it, but my 14yo son LOVES it and plays daily with his friends. They all preordered. They all played beta. He doesn't understand why it's getting so much hate, but I do.
Is ZOS attempting to make ESO a cash grab? Maybe to a degree, but if that were really 100% true, you'd find the best gear gated behind cash purchases. It's not - at least not yet.
It does sometimes seem as if they don't care about the state of the game. Though the forums are riddled with whiners and entitled brats who think their classes need to be OP while the rest get nerfed straight into the ground, I've seen plenty of well-thought, well-written, objective complaints by the masses go completely ignored. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why have a PTS and a place to talk about in-game bugs if said feedback is just being ignored?
Isn't fallout 76 a 18 + game? If that is the case, then they aren't really doing a good job marketing the game to the "correct" people..
I don't mean kids. I mean young adults - not those of us who grew up playing Legend of Zelda on NES64 thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread.
By young adult you mean from 18 to like 27? because if that is the case, i think most will agree that fallout 76 shouldn't have been released in that state, it's a buggy mess, it's basically almost a pre beta game.
It's a cashgrab, they knew that if the slapped on fallout, the game would have sold regardless of how bad it was.
I think it's time that we hold bethesda accountable for the buggy messes they release, especially if the game itself isn't that good anyway.Edited by JinMori on November 19, 2018 4:57PM0 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »What do you think? If more people participated in PTS/PTR or whatever ZOS calls it, would it help weed out some of the bugs before chapters/zones/other changes go live?
On the contrary, if in the next big update NO ONE uses the PTS version when they launch it full of bugs, people will start to complain and then they will do something.
But some people have the idea that they are the first and that has some value, when they are simply beta testers without pay.0 -
LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Every single player in the game’s history could log into the PTS, report the exact same issue and ZOS would still ignore the issue and not fix it before the update went live.
ZOS addresses the issues they want to fix and they do it on their own time table. They do not address issues based on player priorities on time tables.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BleedMe_AnOcean wrote: »What do you think? If more people participated in PTS/PTR or whatever ZOS calls it, would it help weed out some of the bugs before chapters/zones/other changes go live?
PTS is not really about finding bugs, although bugs are found and bugs are fixed. PTS is about them watching us play the game and letting us provide feedback on quests, dungeons, combat tuning, balance, etc. For that, more people would be better.
Keep in mind that ZOS wants to watch before they make changes, and then it takes time to decide what to change, how to change it, and whether the change worked. Don't expect changes for the first PTS patch, and sometimes, not even the 2nd one. I figure that most changes require a minimum of 2 weeks from the time they decide to do something to the time it hits PTS, or Live.
I also think that some things ZOS wants to watch on Live for a while before they change. People might suggest something during PTS, and maybe ZOS is nodding in agreement, but they might still go to Live and see how it plays out with the people who are not participating in PTS. Remember that there is no PTS for console players.
Finally, ZOS does not always agree. They can disagree on the change itself, and also the priority the change.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would definitly help spot some bugs here and there, the problem is most people dont wanna download 70gb again for the PTS and they are like meh why bother being a free beta tester for ZOS.
I mean it used to be at least if you could spot and report a major bug on the PTS, you'd get rewarded with 1.5k crowns (ofc only the first guy to report it) on the live server, no idea if its still a thing. I think thats incentive enough to get people to try the PTS.0 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Some of the issues found in PTS got fixed.
The ones that spring to mind are the pet deaths in vMA which were getting a lot of dev attention.
However the pets dying in overland AOE was reported very early in the PTS and that still went live and then got hot fixed, so I have no idea how they are prioritizing their bug list.
Then there are things which are NOT bugs, like the enchantments issues which were raised and problematic very early in the PTS and were WAI. The issue with that is that it's just a bad idea. It wasn't thought through properly and when someone did the thinking for them they ignored it.
I spent time in the PTS and I saw time others spent in PTS, but tbh it doesn't feel rewarding or worthwhile.0 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No
By the time it gets to the PTS, ZOS has it's intentions carved in stone, improvements need to be made before ZOS carves the tablets!“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy1 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Yes. Put 'em to work.
Maybe, even incentivize PTS participation. That's one way we can achieve superior PTS results.
Anecdotally, I've found my way into the PTS on more than one occasion. Played around a few things. Maybe, this way we can introduce many to the PTS who wouldn't have otherwise gone there.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've always been very willing to do PTS in all the games I've played including this one. Problem: I don't have the bandwidth to download even the first PTS release. Satellite is what I have, and my bandwidth is severely limited - I get 12 gig on a rolling 30 day basis - in other words it never resets....
When I need a mega-gig download, generally I have to ask a friend who plays to send me their updated game folder. All the years I played WoW and RIFT, my daughter did that for me, as she played too. I love where I live.... but the lack of real connection is a serious downside.0
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