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Bots in normal dungeons

richo262
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I don't know if this is a new thing, I normally do vets and the occasional normal DLC dungeon.

I ran a few normals recently as I was leveling a toon, it was COH1. The dungeon was already active, as though a couple of the players had quit. Myself (Tank), and a DPS joined and caught up to the 2nd boss.

I noticed almost no heals and that one of the DPS had no rotation. DPS was reasonable, but that was because the DPS that joined with me was decent and was pulling the weight of himself and most of the other.

Both the Healer and the other DPS ran a similar course, essentially on tram lines. We picked up they were bots fairly quickly, as we walked forward they stutter stepped up with us. They maintained a position just behind us. The healer would primarily just block. I remember the name of the Healer bot as [Redacted].

Myself and the human DPS could not kick them because there was 2, the vote failed everytime. We asked them to say something to prove they were not a bot, silence.

I didn't post about it because, what if I'm wrong?

Anyway, just now, perhaps 5 days later, I had a dungeon (Moonhunter Keep Normal) with [Redacted], and that name rang a bell. It clicked after a wipe on the first boss. There were no interrupts, very few heals, but this time, [Redacted] was speaking utter garbage. Random lines and quotes, meaningless tripe, random comments, mostly in broken English, mostly unintelligible, the comments that were no gibberish were like, 'Oh look werewolves', 'Down with the Aldermi!', as soon as I recognized the name I tried to talk to it to see if I can get some sort of intelligent response, nope, it just continued the nonsense.

It was behaving like a bot, but it speaks to give the illusion of not being one. They are now botting Random Normals for XP.

Edit : I've removed the name with Redacted in the event there is a 0.1% chance it was not a bot. I will say the word 'Sally' was present within the name, just in case another may have come across this phenomena.
Edited by richo262 on November 15, 2018 2:40PM
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Use ranged weapon and make them tank for you 🤷‍♀️
  • The_Protagonist
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    This was bound to happen sooner or later! Looks like you helped them evolve.

    Let us know what you find the next time around.

    It's against ToS for those botters to exist, it's unethical and ruins the game for real people.

    But you have to admit it is interesting on how they are evolving LOL.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    This was bound to happen sooner or later! Looks like you helped them evolve.

    Let us know what you find the next time around.

    It's against ToS for those botters to exist, it's unethical and ruins the game for real people.

    But you have to admit it is interesting on how they are evolving LOL.
    They will evolve to real tanks and dps and will carry any dungeon for normals 😹
  • idk
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    Report them next time you suspect they are bots. Granted, fake healers and really bad dps are not all that uncommon, but bots tend to have specific behaviors. Let Zos sort it out.
    Use ranged weapon and make them tank for you 🤷‍♀️

    And this is another option on top of reporting them.
  • Mr_Walker
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    I would not have thought that was possible. I'm assuming PC?
  • russelmmendoza
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    Seriously?

    I am just lost for.........
  • TempPlayer
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    Omg, is her user name skynet.
    The next time you meet her, she will physically standing behind you with a humanish rubber skin. :p
    Seriously, bot in vet dungeon is a new low. Please report her.
  • richo262
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    Normal, not vet.

    I think they think they can get away with normal because if they get a decent group they can actually scrape by without a healer, the group may just think they have a garbage healer.

    We completed the nCOH dungeon because we couldn't kick and we didn't want the timer, and it was do-able. We did manage to kick on nMHK because it was just 1 bot, 2 bots can block a vote kick.
  • Khrogo
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    Healers with no heals, DDs with no rotation, broken English? Sound like a normal Groupfinder group to me. Seems like Arrow Spray, Arrow Spray, gobbledygook, Arrow Spray has been the meta for years now.
  • Dragonnord
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    No way. You were just trolled by real players. :D
  • Vildebill
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    Haha this is standard scenario when using the group finder. Zero DPS, weak heals and people not answering. Have I been playing with bots the whole time? :open_mouth:
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  • richo262
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    Hah nah we were pretty thorough, we could essentially move them on command. We step forward, they step forward, they followed us almost like NPC's and were on tram lines, both of them. It was either a compelling troll, or bots.
  • THE_BIG_BOSS
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    Once i was grouped with a naked khajiit Vampire cloaking through the whole Dungeon while the Rest was Killing the mobs :D
  • Rake
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    Oh, look, werewolves
  • Elsonso
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    If they were bots, report them next time you have a chance.

    Also, @richo262 , best to remove the name of the bot from your OP since that is considered bad juju here on the forum. Don't want you to get in trouble.
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  • richo262
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    I didn't post the first time because I wasn't certain, after seeing this twice, I am pretty certain. If any mods wish to replace the name with just 'Sally' or remove it entirely , they are welcome to. Given I came across this person twice in 5 days with the same behavior, I posted it so if others have also come across this, and possibly this character, that they can confirm.
  • D0PAMINE
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    Down with the Aldmeri!
  • Dragonnord
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    If they were bots, how they could stop and maintain position behind you? Bots don't "think" nor "decide" depending on what real players do, they can just be configured to follow fixed paths. They don't have AI.

    I suppose you have a video or at least some screenshots?
     
    Edited by Dragonnord on November 15, 2018 10:19AM
  • Medhir
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    i have a strong feeling if they are really bots then this is just part of the preparation for drops farming at the Undaunted Celebration starting at november 29.
  • zaria
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    Medhir wrote: »
    i have a strong feeling if they are really bots then this is just part of the preparation for drops farming at the Undaunted Celebration starting at november 29.
    Makes some sense as during that event it has some chance of working unlike now.

    Pretty sure the bot software can know location to others in group like they do with mobs.
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    In wow they have an follow function, some in guild had some dd who was afk while set to follow healer.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • goldenflameslinger
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    I just don’t see why anyone would invest in making a bot for that. The gear is bound so it’s not like you can sell it.
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  • richo262
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    It is for XP, random normals.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    I have some doubts about this, video would be interesting to see.

    If you're going to Bot, Dolmens would be a far easier way to go for what amounts to the same rate of XP. There's no tricky pathing to figure out, and nothing to have to follow.

    It would be less pain simply to actually do, even if poorly, the first day's random and be done.

    There are half a dozen ways you could verify and remedy this. It's not as if it's difficult to get stuck in several places in any given dungeon. Also, after first boss kill, run back the beginning (you say they'll follow) and then use the portal to get placed near the next pull. You could also let them trail behind you just in some lava or other environmental AoE. Let them rez repeatedly and burn up their soul gems.

    You could travel to player after leaving them in an odd spot. This will also place you and your other real person DPS at the beginning of the dungeon, again, where you could use the portal. They'd have to have more sophisticated coding to match those actions.

    I honestly doubt you found bots. I think you found one or more non-active players trying to autopilot a dungeon for a carry while watching Netflix or some other nonsense.

    In either case, capture some video, and report away. No call for this kind of crap.
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
  • Salvas_Aren
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    Well, this woul be easy.

    If you get grouped with bots, leave the dungeon, not the group.

    Do some pickpocketing in a profitable place. Watch what they will do.
  • zaria
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    Well, this woul be easy.

    If you get grouped with bots, leave the dungeon, not the group.

    Do some pickpocketing in a profitable place. Watch what they will do.
    If they was set to follow you leaving trough the entrance would be fun just to see if they follows.
    And yes getting the guards in an town hostile to you had been an fun end, they would programmed to resurect however.
    And probably to queue again.

    Honestly I don't see bots works well, even in normal its mechanics of various kind and this includes the bugged door in wayrest. and you would probably be reported all the time.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Salvas_Aren
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    Sending 2 bots into a dungeon is the least clever thing one could do.

    If I did it (do I have to mention that I dont do?) I would send 4 bots into a dungeon, probably of the same class or maybe 2. Basically 0 risk of getting caught.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Healbots with <1 ms reaction, no dps ambitions and 100% buff uptime will be much appreciated 🙏🏻
  • richo262
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    The problem with sending 4 would be, they wouldn't accomplish anything.

    1 - Highest probability of not getting noticed, but can be kicked.
    2 - High probability of getting noticed, but cannot be kicked.
  • The_Brosteen
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    OH MY GOD THEY'RE GETTING SMARTER

    I personally welcome our future robot overlords.
  • zaria
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    Sending 2 bots into a dungeon is the least clever thing one could do.

    If I did it (do I have to mention that I dont do?) I would send 4 bots into a dungeon, probably of the same class or maybe 2. Basically 0 risk of getting caught.
    Problem is that you need to navigate an path trough all of them and kill mobs and bosses. Most 2 dungeons has mechanics who would kill you unless followed as dps will be low.
    If you could do that sending the same group to skyreach would be simpler as its an short route and you can pretty much spam ultimates and AoE,
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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