The gold goes out of the game.

Gold comes into the game out of thin air all the time. There need to be places for the gold to go or there will be too much of it.

Shantu wrote: »

The gold sinks are just a silly annoyance that serve no useful purpose.

that's debatable... if they don't suck gold out of the player economy everything on the trade market keeps getting more & more expensive and prices the new players out.
You can object to a particular gold sink, fine...
but we need to make everyone part with some cash every day, gold that's going away into the void.

Got to agree with the others here. Most games suffer from a point where your gold/money is totally useless. One way to combat it is with micro-transactions and/or pay-to-win, like what GTA V Online did. Introduce new, overpowered weapons that were necessary to compete or survive, and price them ridiculously high.

As far as I can tell, ESO is avoiding micro-transaction/play-to-win stuff with this. If you want to drop hundreds or thousands to travel, instead of ride a horse for 10 seconds to a wayshrine, good for you. If you want to repeatedly respec your character, fine. But its going to cost you.

Of course there will always be player who have millions with nothing to spend it on. That is going to be unavoidable. But I am okay with these gold sinks over the alternative.

Amadis001 wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

So, what's the point of making players pay a chunk of gold for jumping to a wayshrine or resetting their skill line, morphs, attributes, or CP?

A lot of people don't realize at first that they can just walk to the nearest wayshrine and teleport to any other wayshrine for free. In two years of playing, I don't think I've ever paid the teleport fee.

--Scott

walking is too hard. i use a teleport addon.

I'm always a cheap stake when it comes to porting so I just port to a random guildy then use that wayshrine for free

Its not only a gold reduction system. The hard currency is fictional with no backing, so there is no standard as to which things are bought and sold.

We need static purchases and sales to give approximate value of items we want to sell. Without these subtle guides the players will set the free market.

Aso there are. ery simple ways to travel for free. Port to a friend or guild member.

Port to your free room or house near a wayshrine.

Join pvp campaign.

Also the timer on the jumps coincide with the world boss spawn timer and are just a bit faster than dolmens. If you wait until its 146 you will be able to kill the next boss right as you get to them. If upu take thei00 gold option, you will be waiting for spawn.

Its like crossing signals, you can cross whenever you want but it may be rough going too soon.

I think it’s just a brake on the choices you can make to delay the player and make it take longer before you run out of them and quit the game.

Wayshrines should be one per zone. They are now just to close together and it makes the world feel to small and less occupied because everybody is spawning left and right.

And travelling from zone to zone with these single wayshrines should cost no less then 10k to discourage people.

josiahva wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

The gold goes out of the game.

Gold comes into the game out of thin air all the time. There need to be places for the gold to go or there will be too much of it.

This is the most ridiculous position ever. There will be too much of it? How much is too much exactly? As an example, I never have much more than 100k available. I have no interest in accumulating gold...I can get virtually anything I want without it with a little work...if I am not willing to work that much for it, I dont really want it. Who really cares if there is "too much" gold? Or not enough gold for that matter? The only use for gold is to skip tasks you dont like doing(like fishing for example), but that equates to skipping content for me. If I want something...I will work for it the hard way....repairs and wayshrines, along with various potions are the vast majority of my gold expenditure...I never actually buy anything else

I see you don't understand economics.

Gold sinks are vital in any multi-player game with persistence. If the servers were frequently completely wiped, or if it was a single player game there would be no need for them. Since neither of those are true, gold sinks are the only thing that keeps rampant inflation from completely destroying the game economy.

How would you like it if you were a new player and you wanted to buy enough materials to craft yourself a set of level 10 gear, but checking guild traders you found that it would cost you 5 million gold to get those mats? And here you are with about 2,000 gold to your name. Without gold sinks that's exactly what would happen.

Gold gets generated out of nothing in a game. Because of that, there needs to be a mechanism to remove gold from the economy. Otherwise the players who have been playing the longest keep building up more and more gold indefinitely, so hyper inflation sets in, and the only people who can afford to buy anything are the people who have been playing the longest. That's a death sentence for any MMO, because an MMO must continue to attract new players in order to maintain a stable population (there is always some degree of attrition among veteran players). If new players are shut out of some of the most basic elements of the game, like buying simple items from other players, then they're not going to stick around.

UrQuan wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

The gold goes out of the game.

Gold comes into the game out of thin air all the time. There need to be places for the gold to go or there will be too much of it.

This is the most ridiculous position ever. There will be too much of it? How much is too much exactly? As an example, I never have much more than 100k available. I have no interest in accumulating gold...I can get virtually anything I want without it with a little work...if I am not willing to work that much for it, I dont really want it. Who really cares if there is "too much" gold? Or not enough gold for that matter? The only use for gold is to skip tasks you dont like doing(like fishing for example), but that equates to skipping content for me. If I want something...I will work for it the hard way....repairs and wayshrines, along with various potions are the vast majority of my gold expenditure...I never actually buy anything else

I see you don't understand economics.

Gold sinks are vital in any multi-player game with persistence. If the servers were frequently completely wiped, or if it was a single player game there would be no need for them. Since neither of those are true, gold sinks are the only thing that keeps rampant inflation from completely destroying the game economy.

How would you like it if you were a new player and you wanted to buy enough materials to craft yourself a set of level 10 gear, but checking guild traders you found that it would cost you 5 million gold to get those mats? And here you are with about 2,000 gold to your name. Without gold sinks that's exactly what would happen.

Gold gets generated out of nothing in a game. Because of that, there needs to be a mechanism to remove gold from the economy. Otherwise the players who have been playing the longest keep building up more and more gold indefinitely, so hyper inflation sets in, and the only people who can afford to buy anything are the people who have been playing the longest. That's a death sentence for any MMO, because an MMO must continue to attract new players in order to maintain a stable population (there is always some degree of attrition among veteran players). If new players are shut out of some of the most basic elements of the game, like buying simple items from other players, then they're not going to stick around.

Is that how the economy works though? Just a piece of pie is around 5k gold, I don't see how any civilian can survive in Tamriel with the gold inflation.