Something i wish i knew when i reached 160cp! (might be a good tip for new players)

Creationofgod · November 2018

It is possible to have 2 Full 5pc sets and a 2pc monsterset active at all times!

When you browse the forums as a new player, you will see a lot of players using the frontbar back bar setup! so i followed that to !
but i wish i knew back then that you actually can have 3 sets active at all times!

the key to this is using 2 weapons of the same set !

one weapon of the set frontbar and a weapon of the same set backbar ! this will count as 2 pc's.
This allow's you , when using 2 jewelry of that same set to only use one body piece an thus you can combine an heavy armor set with an light armor set but still get the 5 pc bonus passive's
and on top of that use a monster set !

Vildebill · November 2018

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

Creationofgod · November 2018

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

yeah , and everyone according to you can actually do vma ?

first off all not everyone has that DLC ! and vma is not achievable for everyone playing this game !

Vildebill · November 2018

Creationofgod wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

yeah , and everyone according to you can actually do vma ?

first off all not everyone has that DLC ! and vma is not achievable for everyone playing this game !

The only thing I can agree upon is that everyone can not do vMA if they don't have the DLC, otherwise it's perfectly doable for every player and has been for a long time.

Pretty off topic though, front bar and back bar setups are still the best and what most people use

Creationofgod · November 2018

Vildebill wrote: »

Creationofgod wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

yeah , and everyone according to you can actually do vma ?

first off all not everyone has that DLC ! and vma is not achievable for everyone playing this game !

The only thing I can agree upon is that everyone can not do vMA if they don't have the DLC, otherwise it's perfectly doable for every player and has been for a long time.

Pretty off topic though, front bar and back bar setups are still the best and what most people use

well i agree with that! but not for all players a viable option !

and for the newer players not always possible without dlc or a low cp level

Vildebill · November 2018

Creationofgod wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Creationofgod wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

yeah , and everyone according to you can actually do vma ?

first off all not everyone has that DLC ! and vma is not achievable for everyone playing this game !

The only thing I can agree upon is that everyone can not do vMA if they don't have the DLC, otherwise it's perfectly doable for every player and has been for a long time.

Pretty off topic though, front bar and back bar setups are still the best and what most people use

well i agree with that! but not for all players a viable option !

and for the newer players not always possible without dlc or a low cp level

Well nothing's easy when you're new is it?

It has been done without CP, heck it has even been done with the broom you got in the crown store a while ago, so it should be doable for everyone taking the time to learn.

But sure, double barring weapons works fine, but it's not the best option.

Geekgirl · November 2018

So this is great information for the more casual player who may not be interested in BiS.

It's good information to pass on, as I imagine there are quite a few players who may not realize that with identical weapon sets they can do the 5/5/2.

Thanks for pointing this out to folks who may not have figured it out, @Creationofgod .

Aliyavana · November 2018

You shouldn't really worry about vma weapons at your level.

zaria · November 2018

Note that if you look at older builds two hand weapons counted as just one pieces, this was changed with the werewolf dungeons.

Creationofgod · November 2018

zaria wrote: »

Note that if you look at older builds two hand weapons counted as just one pieces, this was changed with the werewolf dungeons.

i did not know that!

laksikus · November 2018

Creationofgod wrote: »

It is possible to have 2 Full 5pc sets and a 2pc monsterset active at all times!

When you browse the forums as a new player, you will see a lot of players using the frontbar back bar setup! so i followed that to !
but i wish i knew back then that you actually can have 3 sets active at all times!

the key to this is using 2 weapons of the same set !

one weapon of the set frontbar and a weapon of the same set backbar ! this will count as 2 pc's.
This allow's you , when using 2 jewelry of that same set to only use one body piece an thus you can combine an heavy armor set with an light armor set but still get the 5 pc bonus passive's
and on top of that use a monster set !

weapons count as 2 set pieces. that has been that way since more than 1 year.
you dont have to have a weapon of the set on backbar to have 3 sets active at the same time on front bar

Saturnana · November 2018

What you're referring to sounds like a dual-wield (or sword + shield) situation? You're absolutely right in that it works the way you describe! What may also be very handy for newer players to know, is that you can actually make full use of the 5/5/2 set combo in any other build as well, if you shuffle around your set pieces for a bit. ^^ This is because a few updates back, ZOS changed the way set pieces count towards their respective set bonuses. 2H pieces count as two set slots now, or so to speak.

I personally use the following set-up:
Head + Shoulders --> 2p monster set
Chest + Legs + Waist + Hands + Feet --> 5p crafted set
Ring (x2) + Necklace + Front-bar DW dagger (x2) + Back-bar 2H Axe --> 5p overland set

The monster + crafted set are always up because they're not even on a bar that could switch them out potentially.
The overland set is always up because 3 jewelry pieces + two daggers = 5 set pieces.
And even when I switch bars; 3 jewelry pieces + an axe that counts as two set slots = also 5 set pieces.

Didn't put the crafted set on weapons + jewelry because crafting jewelry yourself is CRAZY expensive & totally not worth it (for me at least), even considering jewelry crafting has been out since May.. and ideally there should be enough materials floating around the economy to make do.

Also, the above set-up doesn't give me any control over possible proc sets, because any set bonus effects would always be 'on'. I know some more experienced players (that run two proc sets) sometimes intentionally have them separated / only one active on each bar - so that they have full control over when a certain effect can and cannot be procced. I am not nearly on that level.. xD But should I need to run something similar one day, I can always switch around the set pieces for Hands & Feet with the weapon pieces.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2018

You realized 7 + 3 = 2 x 5 = 5 + 3 + 2 ...

Gratz? Kind of hard to be overwhelmingly inspired by this.

BleedMe_AnOcean · November 2018

Good info. Appreciated.

A PSA: Not all of us are all that concerned about being at the top of the charts. If that's what makes *you* happy, that's wonderful and I support you. Hell, I'll help you farm your gear. However, some of us like to experiment with different setups when we slay our foes in cold blood.

This is a nice tip for doing just that.

Thanks again, OP.

Creationofgod · November 2018

lnsane wrote: »

What you're referring to sounds like a dual-wield (or sword + shield) situation? You're absolutely right in that it works the way you describe! What may also be very handy for newer players to know, is that you can actually make full use of the 5/5/2 set combo in any other build as well, if you shuffle around your set pieces for a bit. ^^ This is because a few updates back, ZOS changed the way set pieces count towards their respective set bonuses. 2H pieces count as two set slots now, or so to speak.

I personally use the following set-up:
Head + Shoulders --> 2p monster set
Chest + Legs + Waist + Hands + Feet --> 5p crafted set
Ring (x2) + Necklace + Front-bar DW dagger (x2) + Back-bar 2H Axe --> 5p overland set

The monster + crafted set are always up because they're not even on a bar that could switch them out potentially.
The overland set is always up because 3 jewelry pieces + two daggers = 5 set pieces.
And even when I switch bars; 3 jewelry pieces + an axe that counts as two set slots = also 5 set pieces.

Didn't put the crafted set on weapons + jewelry because crafting jewelry yourself is CRAZY expensive & totally not worth it (for me at least), even considering jewelry crafting has been out since May.. and ideally there should be enough materials floating around the economy to make do.

Also, the above set-up doesn't give me any control over possible proc sets, because any set bonus effects would always be 'on'. I know some more experienced players (that run two proc sets) sometimes intentionally have them separated / only one active on each bar - so that they have full control over when a certain effect can and cannot be procced. I am not nearly on that level.. xD But should I need to run something similar one day, I can always switch around the set pieces for Hands & Feet with the weapon pieces.

yeah that a good way to use this setup , and i took a while for me to notice that it worked like this.

zaria · November 2018

lnsane wrote: »

What you're referring to sounds like a dual-wield (or sword + shield) situation? You're absolutely right in that it works the way you describe! What may also be very handy for newer players to know, is that you can actually make full use of the 5/5/2 set combo in any other build as well, if you shuffle around your set pieces for a bit. ^^ This is because a few updates back, ZOS changed the way set pieces count towards their respective set bonuses. 2H pieces count as two set slots now, or so to speak.

I personally use the following set-up:
Head + Shoulders --> 2p monster set
Chest + Legs + Waist + Hands + Feet --> 5p crafted set
Ring (x2) + Necklace + Front-bar DW dagger (x2) + Back-bar 2H Axe --> 5p overland set

The monster + crafted set are always up because they're not even on a bar that could switch them out potentially.
The overland set is always up because 3 jewelry pieces + two daggers = 5 set pieces.
And even when I switch bars; 3 jewelry pieces + an axe that counts as two set slots = also 5 set pieces.

Didn't put the crafted set on weapons + jewelry because crafting jewelry yourself is CRAZY expensive & totally not worth it (for me at least), even considering jewelry crafting has been out since May.. and ideally there should be enough materials floating around the economy to make do.

Also, the above set-up doesn't give me any control over possible proc sets, because any set bonus effects would always be 'on'. I know some more experienced players (that run two proc sets) sometimes intentionally have them separated / only one active on each bar - so that they have full control over when a certain effect can and cannot be procced. I am not nearly on that level.. xD But should I need to run something similar one day, I can always switch around the set pieces for Hands & Feet with the weapon pieces.

If you use dungeon sets armor is much easier to get than weapons so it makes sense to craft them.
Making an purple jewelry piece cost 60K, that is more than gold out two daggers and an bow, find you have made them cp150 and do it again. Really only worth it on trial sets if you can not do trial in vet.
And yes managing proc is an bit above my level to.

Saturnana · November 2018

zaria wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

What you're referring to sounds like a dual-wield (or sword + shield) situation? You're absolutely right in that it works the way you describe! What may also be very handy for newer players to know, is that you can actually make full use of the 5/5/2 set combo in any other build as well, if you shuffle around your set pieces for a bit. ^^ This is because a few updates back, ZOS changed the way set pieces count towards their respective set bonuses. 2H pieces count as two set slots now, or so to speak.

I personally use the following set-up:
Head + Shoulders --> 2p monster set
Chest + Legs + Waist + Hands + Feet --> 5p crafted set
Ring (x2) + Necklace + Front-bar DW dagger (x2) + Back-bar 2H Axe --> 5p overland set

The monster + crafted set are always up because they're not even on a bar that could switch them out potentially.
The overland set is always up because 3 jewelry pieces + two daggers = 5 set pieces.
And even when I switch bars; 3 jewelry pieces + an axe that counts as two set slots = also 5 set pieces.

Didn't put the crafted set on weapons + jewelry because crafting jewelry yourself is CRAZY expensive & totally not worth it (for me at least), even considering jewelry crafting has been out since May.. and ideally there should be enough materials floating around the economy to make do.

Also, the above set-up doesn't give me any control over possible proc sets, because any set bonus effects would always be 'on'. I know some more experienced players (that run two proc sets) sometimes intentionally have them separated / only one active on each bar - so that they have full control over when a certain effect can and cannot be procced. I am not nearly on that level.. xD But should I need to run something similar one day, I can always switch around the set pieces for Hands & Feet with the weapon pieces.

If you use dungeon sets armor is much easier to get than weapons so it makes sense to craft them.
Making an purple jewelry piece cost 60K, that is more than gold out two daggers and an bow, find you have made them cp150 and do it again. Really only worth it on trial sets if you can not do trial in vet.
And yes managing proc is an bit above my level to.

I'm terrible at keeping a tab on prices, so I didn't know this. Thanks for the tip!

I'll certainly keep it in mind and mix things up next time I want to craft a set.

kathandira · November 2018

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

I'd love to see a new player who just hit 160 get them self a Maelstrom weapon. lol

For those who aren't ready for that level of content yet, they should be going with the classic 5/5/2 setup. Which is what the OP is trying to say.

Nestor · November 2018

kathandira wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

I'd love to see a new player who just hit 160 get them self a Maelstrom weapon. lol

For those who aren't ready for that level of content yet, they should be going with the classic 5/5/2 setup. Which is what the OP is trying to say.

Been playing since Beta. Still dont have a vMA run done. Still melt the mobs just fine. Unless your chasing Vet Trials Leaderboard Time (1% of the game conetent) you dont need best in slot. Heck, you dont even need the Meta. In fact, unless you have a perfect rotation, the Meta/BiS thing is questionable for its utility

kathandira · November 2018

Nestor wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Too bad no one told you that maelstrom weapons is BiS for practically everything DPS wise PvE, that's why there's a back bar and front bar talk going on.

I'd love to see a new player who just hit 160 get them self a Maelstrom weapon. lol

For those who aren't ready for that level of content yet, they should be going with the classic 5/5/2 setup. Which is what the OP is trying to say.

Been playing since Beta. Still dont have a vMA run done. Still melt the mobs just fine. Unless your chasing Vet Trials Leaderboard Time (1% of the game conetent) you dont need best in slot. Heck, you dont even need the Meta. In fact, unless you have a perfect rotation, the Meta/BiS thing is questionable for its utility

Agreed.

I run a Educational Normal Trial run with my guild on Tuesdays. So long as the player is 160, they are welcome to join. They could be wearing a total mess of gear, and it doesn't matter. So long as they can perform the required mechanics, they will do just fine.

What I usually find is that once people experience the problems they face in Trials, they will reach out to others to learn to optimize. But in general, we are able to complete all but HoF with my learning group. Only one we've seen any struggle on has been NCR on the Overcharge boss. But after a few attempts, they eventually get it, and we complete the rest of the trial without an issue.

Optimization is totally required in Veteral Trials. No denying that. But for Normal, I find it is quite forgiving.