SodanTok wrote: »

Disagree

(no need to say why, OP already counter argued own point in first post)

Good luck getting Helm and Shoulds junk for 5 piece item.

I am not against drop but ZOS need to find a way they give befits equipping it.

Currently its useless comparing Moster Set

Helms and shoulders are mostly trash, but removing them isn't the solution. Removing them from the loot tables is a band aid fix that may solve some issues now, but if they ever become desirable again, ZOS needs to go in and reverse the change. The real solution involves examining why they are undesired and fix the root problem. Helm and shoulder monster sets are the main reason.

One way to change things a bit could be to add a 3rd potential monster set piece. If you have 3 potential pieces to choose from, then any one of those slots becomes viable for a standard 5 pc set. Perhaps if you could get monster head, shoulder and chest potentially. Now I could slot monster items in my chest and head and use the shoulder slot for a 5pc bonus. There are issues with this of course, which would allow you to equip a 2 pc monster set as well as a single monster piece instead of a 5 pc bonus, but I would argue that might actually create more options overall than what we currently have.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

You need to remove them from item drop table, unfortunately they drop a lot and are worthless. No player buy them or uses them anymore, may be 1% out of 100 then why torturing remaining 99% Players.

First, ZOS doesn't hear you, second they don't care, third they generally don't agree.
There is already a huge amount of worthless items in game, but they still remain for an obvious reason - deconstruction. Without worthless items you would have to decon items that have some value, right? Which would be a waste of gold.
All those cp140 white trash or cp160 set helms and shoulders in different quality, these are not useless, just not a market items.

I use helm and shoulders on my stamblade for PvP. 5 piece Marksman, 5 piece Eternal hunt spread between armour and jewellery. Masters duel wield front bar and Agility bow back bar (until I can get a better bow).

I know several healers that don't run monster sets at times too.

So no, don't stop dropping helm and shoulders please, there are many other viable builds that don't use monster sets too I'm sure.

redspecter23 wrote: »

Helms and shoulders are mostly trash, but removing them isn't the solution. Removing them from the loot tables is a band aid fix that may solve some issues now, but if they ever become desirable again, ZOS needs to go in and reverse the change. The real solution involves examining why they are undesired and fix the root problem. Helm and shoulder monster sets are the main reason.

One way to change things a bit could be to add a 3rd potential monster set piece. If you have 3 potential pieces to choose from, then any one of those slots becomes viable for a standard 5 pc set. Perhaps if you could get monster head, shoulder and chest potentially. Now I could slot monster items in my chest and head and use the shoulder slot for a 5pc bonus. There are issues with this of course, which would allow you to equip a 2 pc monster set as well as a single monster piece instead of a 5 pc bonus, but I would argue that might actually create more options overall than what we currently have.

Please no 3rd piece. Better to know which pieces have less value. Plus, the head of the boss it the piece that makes the most sense.

Fine as is.

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

While there are some set pieces that should not exist (impossible to proc the condition, given the weapon type, generally) these are not two of them.

They will generally get bypassed in favor of Monster sets, but that does not render them automatically useless, either.

Well, afaik they patch out impossible to proc sets. Viper does not drop any type ranged weapon, to give you an example.

And with this example, we see where that leads: ranged Viper weapons are a bit niche but far from useless. There are a few sets where restricting drops makes sense (basically those giving a bonus to abilities of a specific weapon type) but it's generally not a good idea.

I don't think that builds without monster sets are en vogue at the moment but esp. before the two-hander change with Summerset, not using a two-piece monster set was not that rare, and who knows what changes will come in the future.

In the meantime, decon.

There's more to the game than just endgame farming. New players need the helm and shoulder to drop as well. For those who are new and don't have summerset, they cant craft rings to complete a set. There's also build diversity. Sanctuary set is a viable (again its not optimal but it's viable) set for both tanking and healing. I'd love to have a sword and board for that one, as well as a resto staff.

So yeah to answer your question op, I don't think that's a good idea.

The system as it is works no need to make the fun and/or builds for some players just to make meta farming better.

I use set shoulders and helm on my healer though, because of the resto master staff else I'd have to lose the benefit of the 4 and 5 piece bonus from one of the other sets.