Where is everyone?

xan4silkb14_ESO · November 2018

JinMori wrote: »

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Eso is an enjoyable game, but not a good game, if wow gets better i will go back to in in a heartbeat, and ashes is looking very promising.

If ashes of creation delivers, eso will be left in the dust, and rightly so, the devs are lazy, they do what is barely necessary, but never take the step forward to make things really damn good, examples are like the extremely lazy "fix" for warden class passive.

Also, they have the tendency of making complete 180 when balancing, and make very rushed decisions.

I agree that ESO is an enjoyable game and not having a ton of time to spend on games right now I haven't really looked at what's upcoming. If Ashes of Creation can deliver on most of things it's promised I also think ESO will be left in the dust despite all of it's lore that I find amazing. The Class specialization that reminds me of Titan Quest, player choices and interactions with the world having meaningful impact, fluid economy. All these things sound like they are overreaching for a MMO.

I do agree that on some things, the devs of ashes seem to be indeed overreaching, but i honestly doubt that it will flop, the devs always interact with the community and deliver updates, have a stake in the company, because they personally put money into this, they genuinely seem to care, so either they are extremely good liars, or they really care.

I don;t know if they can keep all their promises, some of the things they said seem, really difficult, if not impossible to implement, but even if they don't deliver on all of them, the game could still be really amazing, better than any other mmo on the market.

I wasn't trying to infer that it will flop. Just that some of the things I've always really wanted in any MMO don't seem like they'll be able to be implemented as well as the developers would like.

As I recall, in Titan Quest the 36 different classes(since there was no difference in primary and secondary masteries) were neat, but some combos were outclassed by others. It's been awhile so I may be misremembering.

Having player choices affect the world is a really great idea, I'm just worried that as the game continues new players won't really be able to affect it, or it will be too easily influenced by a group of trolls.

A fluid economy where supply and demand by region can affect prices would be amazing. And, as far as I've read, with no fast travel, it should be more possible than in ESO.

So, Ashes looks like a game to keep my eye on while I hope that ZoS will turn it around and make ESO more fun again.

JinMori · November 2018

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Eso is an enjoyable game, but not a good game, if wow gets better i will go back to in in a heartbeat, and ashes is looking very promising.

If ashes of creation delivers, eso will be left in the dust, and rightly so, the devs are lazy, they do what is barely necessary, but never take the step forward to make things really damn good, examples are like the extremely lazy "fix" for warden class passive.

Also, they have the tendency of making complete 180 when balancing, and make very rushed decisions.

I agree that ESO is an enjoyable game and not having a ton of time to spend on games right now I haven't really looked at what's upcoming. If Ashes of Creation can deliver on most of things it's promised I also think ESO will be left in the dust despite all of it's lore that I find amazing. The Class specialization that reminds me of Titan Quest, player choices and interactions with the world having meaningful impact, fluid economy. All these things sound like they are overreaching for a MMO.

I do agree that on some things, the devs of ashes seem to be indeed overreaching, but i honestly doubt that it will flop, the devs always interact with the community and deliver updates, have a stake in the company, because they personally put money into this, they genuinely seem to care, so either they are extremely good liars, or they really care.

I don;t know if they can keep all their promises, some of the things they said seem, really difficult, if not impossible to implement, but even if they don't deliver on all of them, the game could still be really amazing, better than any other mmo on the market.

I wasn't trying to infer that it will flop. Just that some of the things I've always really wanted in any MMO don't seem like they'll be able to be implemented as well as the developers would like.

As I recall, in Titan Quest the 36 different classes(since there was no difference in primary and secondary masteries) were neat, but some combos were outclassed by others. It's been awhile so I may be misremembering.

Having player choices affect the world is a really great idea, I'm just worried that as the game continues new players won't really be able to affect it, or it will be too easily influenced by a group of trolls.

A fluid economy where supply and demand by region can affect prices would be amazing. And, as far as I've read, with no fast travel, it should be more possible than in ESO.

So, Ashes looks like a game to keep my eye on while I hope that ZoS will turn it around and make ESO more fun again.

No no, i know that you weren't implying that, that's just something i added myself. It was just another thing that i thought.

As for the last part, i think that they will be forced to do that, look at wow after wod, legion was good overall, very good i would say, they knew that if they slacked again, it would have dealt permanent and enormous damage to the company and to the game itself.

valeriiya · November 2018

I'm playing other games and still lurking here hoping they do something to save the game

Ohtimbar · November 2018

I'm only logging in for daily rewards. Perhaps not even that for much longer. RDR2 and DQXI are more than happy to take up the slack though.

Runs · November 2018

Only been logging in for daily writs/rewards and survey maps...

Logging in every day for prologue quests and witches festival and murkmire release on top of normal daily quests. Too much to do in a short span to the point it's no longer fun, just monotonous work. Just burnt out.

I really wish they would stop adding *** to every event every year. Let my characters who have already completed them rest so that I can do finish the events on characters that haven't already completed.

I spend a lot of time on this game. Too much, in fact. But that's not a problem when it feels like fun. The last month did not feel that way at all.

Zathras · November 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

Maulclaw wrote: »

Jurand80 wrote: »

Fed up with the game. Don't even care about the free dlc reward (yet i still lurk the forums) Got a ps4 and rdr2. I guess you joined eso in it's end cycle. Prepare to play an empty game in a year once AoC hits the stores.

Why are you here then? Why do people who despise the game they're supposed to be playing so much to the point where they'll try to drag other players down.

were here because for some foolish reason we hope zos will fix things and chance their *** balancing practices and goals because while we hate zos, at some point we liked eso alot and want to enjoy it again.

Pretty much this. I love the lore and story telling, but I think the game would be better served with someone else at the helm.

I waited 4 years for a management change over at ANet, in GW2, and my patience paid off. Now it's so much better than before, and the arrogance that I saw there (and see here) from the old guard has disappeared.

It doesn't make sense to support a business, when the business doesn't support you as a customer.

TheCyberDruid · November 2018

Runs wrote: »

I spend a lot of time on this game. Too much, in fact. But that's not a problem when it feels like fun. The last month did not feel that way at all.

Yep, I'm actually playing less now with all the daily things to do. It just feels like running a mill rather than having fun

Best example is the Murkmire prologue quests achievements. You can do it in less days than say Clockwork City daily quests, but doing all six of them for 25 days feels like a huge drag where doing one per day of each kind for 30 days in Clockwork City wasn't bad at all (except the alchemy one...).

Bobby_V_Rockit · November 2018

I log in every day to get daily rewards, need the free DLC cos my sub is running out very soon and fallout 76 starts soon

Shantu · November 2018

New content just feels like the same old thing with a new skin with a rash of new bugs and performance issues. The recent mass nerfs that practically no one wanted do not give me an encouraging feeling about the mindset of the developers. Or maybe I just need a change. But for whatever reason, after a year and a half of ESO being my primary source of entertainment, I find myself logging in less, logging out sooner, and considering alternatives.

MajBludd · November 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno take a look at these posts. Might open some eyes

ezio45 · November 2018

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Ydrisselle wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Not happy with the game, ive barely been logging on just to get pissed and log out. Also been checing out wow as a result. Its ok.

Soon as i get the money rdr2 and black ops 4 are calling my name. well see how things go in update 21

Haha, i did the same. Checked out WoW but i didn't get far. I got as afar as stranglethorn and then i got a few quests:

Kill 10 young tigers
kill 10 adult tigers
Kill the boss tiger (which i already did during the young quest)
kill 10 young panthers
kill 10 adult panthers
kill the boss panther
kill 10 raptors
kill 10 something raports
Hang yourself

And i immediatly uninstalled the game.

I am pretty sure the main story is good. But the quests make me puke.

Anyway, there is no game i currently look forward to except Cyberpunk. RDR2 looks great but i don't want to play on PS4. I wanted to try Fallout76 but i read cheating will be so easy in that game and lockpick cheats already exist so i skip that one,

eh, im still holding out for the main story. I choose horde and sylvannas's story looks alot better than anything ive seen from eso. Like actual character development, whens the last time you saw that if ever in eso, or repeating characters for that matter. The introduction to wow though does seem very slow.

cyperpunk cant get here fast enough for me, cdpr is the last game company i have faith in. Fallout 76 looks like a buggy empty mess, which after other online games from bethesda..... I cant say im surprised about. Im giving 76 a hard pass. I checked out black ops 4 with my friends with couch coop and honestly its one of the better cods lately. Im excited to sink some hours into zombies. I heard kingdom come deliverance has seen steady improvement since its launch and its probably cheap used, might check out that. But at least right now RDR2 is what im focused on when the bills are paid lol

Only checking out wow rn because the first 20 lvls are free

Character development with Sylvanas? She does the same thing since Wrath of the Lich King... trying to kill everybody and raise them as forsaken.

More than that...looks like another Horde civil war. Already had one in MoP with Garrosh Hellscream. Story and character development? Not really...we have seen this before, and Sylvanas has been going down this road since the beginning. It's completely opposite of development. Sylvanas hasn't changed and the story (horde side) is a rehash with a different leader.

This is why I quit in Legion. WoW is awful.

still, se has a back story from what ive heard (new to wow) going from the defender of her people to pawn of the lick king to taking him town to queen of the undead and now warchief or the horde. There have been 0 things like that.

eso, make zone 1 like the queen, make zone 2 like the queen.

morrowind: be vivecs helper

1 want to see more repeating characters with eso and more complex plots then, oh deadric princes are causing trouble, lets save the world..... again.....

There are plenty of repeating characters. How far have you gotten?

all of ad's quests, all of morrowind, cwc, wrothgar, and most of summerset

only one ive seen repeat is raz

So you missed every returning character from the Pact and Covenant storylines.

probably i havent played thru those yet but from ad's side its pretty weak. i also forgot cadwell

woodap · November 2018

Worse update ever

todokete · November 2018

woodap wrote: »

Worse update ever

Worse player ever

NinchiTV · November 2018

This patch is ass. The meta is ass. Its heavy armor or get f***. Its zerg or get f***.

Bam_Bam · November 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Jurand80 wrote: »

Fed up with the game. Don't even care about the free dlc reward (yet i still lurk the forums) Got a ps4 and rdr2. I guess you joined eso in it's end cycle. Prepare to play an empty game in a year once AoC hits the stores.

Yeah same as previous 5 or 6 pretendants to "ESO killer" role failed to do that and when ESO gained numbers those games are now lurking in the shadows before being closed. Ashes of Creation will fail to take ESO position on market since ESO is too strong currently to be killed of by one title without strong franchise behind it especially that Ashes of Creation doesnt even look that good when it comes to gameplay.

Have to disagree. It's looking much better and its only pre-alpha https://bit.ly/2SY4V59

max_only · November 2018

I don’t know about this thread. Some of this seems like hyperbole. I can critique something I love, no issues there. It’s just in this thread... There are some blanket statements in this thread that are kind of absolutist. I know if I quote the specifics and respond I’ll be accused of “white knighting” Zos.

I’ve only been playing 2 years and from the changes I’ve seen, Zos does care about its players. They do care about the game. They are putting in way too much effort for these kinds of accusations. Sure, they make giant mistakes no question, AND it eventually comes around again and gets fixed. Look at Templars and Repentance. Giant dumb mistake to take away corpse sharing in Morrowind, now they brought it back. Take a look at Battlegrounds being for only those who bought Morrowind as a chapter. I pre-ordered that and I still thought it was a dumb idea to limit the population. I wasn’t surprised at all when they opened it up.

There’s a lot of bureaucracy and paper shuffling (and I bet some ego soothing) that takes place before things get reverted or changed. Try talking to any artist about their work and we can get pretty defensive. There’s a lot more that goes into producing this than most people can fathom.

Idk, leave if you want to, send me your stuff etc etc. I just don’t see the apocalyptic vision of the game this thread has.

FearlessOne_2014 · November 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Murkmire is kinda meh DLC. ESO like every MMO game have ups and downs.

This right here! Why Murkmire is the lowest ESO have gone. Some of us have gotten beyond pissed to have our playstyle completely destroyed. So until I see more favorable conditions for my fun factor with magicka classes. I'm currently not playing ESO, with ESO Plus cancelled.

I'm pretty sure some other players who was victims. Of the destruction of their class from Murkmire are doing the same. However there is still a slim chance, I'll return to ESO in 5 months or so.

WrathOfTheRipper · November 2018

RDR2 for me, and BF5 coming out will keep me busy until Anthem drops. Bye bye ESO. Recycled content, boring easy content, and Cyrodiil dead. Game will be dead in about 6 months or less.

SteveCampsOut · November 2018

Ecv10 wrote: »

New doc release and everything seems completely dead,I remember clockwork city being so crowded after that release I waited a week before going back lol,summerset still crowded but not as bad,now with murkmire release most guilds I am in are down to 19 out of 499 players (today)and there is no one in sight.

Frankly, another swamp holds no interest for me. In fact I'm surfing burn out at the moment and am only logging in to feed horses and bid on guild trader's for my guild. I've even canceled my Subscription and doubt even the new 12 month option will draw me back in for a couple months at least if not longer. I did run the circle grabbing the skyshards on my main on EU after the event was over but releasing a DLC in the middle of an event really killed my interest in doing it at all.

O_LYKOS · November 2018

Other games and people don’t like the update.

wolf486 · November 2018

Just got back into ESO after being away for a few months. I'm enjoying, couldn't find any other games that interested me to play. Other than login issues occasionally and longer wait times for random dungeons I have no issues. But I play this game at a more casual solo pace

Zardayne · November 2018

Knootewoot wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Not happy with the game, ive barely been logging on just to get pissed and log out. Also been checing out wow as a result. Its ok.

Soon as i get the money rdr2 and black ops 4 are calling my name. well see how things go in update 21

Haha, i did the same. Checked out WoW but i didn't get far. I got as afar as stranglethorn and then i got a few quests:

Kill 10 young tigers
kill 10 adult tigers
Kill the boss tiger (which i already did during the young quest)
kill 10 young panthers
kill 10 adult panthers
kill the boss panther
kill 10 raptors
kill 10 something raports
Hang yourself

And i immediatly uninstalled the game.

I am pretty sure the main story is good. But the quests make me puke.

Anyway, there is no game i currently look forward to except Cyberpunk. RDR2 looks great but i don't want to play on PS4. I wanted to try Fallout76 but i read cheating will be so easy in that game and lockpick cheats already exist so i skip that one,

A least in WoW's quests you have to find the tigers. You grab a quest in ESO and follow the carrot to the objective. It's pretty mindless here too.

Abigail · November 2018

Zardayne wrote: »

A least in WoW's quests you have to find the tigers. You grab a quest in ESO and follow the carrot to the objective. It's pretty mindless here too.

Different strokes, I guess. Nothing annoys me more than spending hours hunting for stuff; or worse: having to break immersion by googling locations.

HighKinlady · November 2018

Playing different games . Side note : got onto the Xbox beta for BDO and within the first ten minutes saw a game master . They do exist

Rain_Greyraven · November 2018

Still log in every day..also am playing RDR2

Drummerx04 · November 2018

I'll be logging in today for the first time in two weeks only because I RUN a trials group. Murkmire was a horrendous patch in both stability and balance. I just can't justify putting up with ZOS any more.

Cronopoly · November 2018

max_only wrote: »

I don’t know about this thread. Some of this seems like hyperbole. I can critique something I love, no issues there. It’s just in this thread... There are some blanket statements in this thread that are kind of absolutist. I know if I quote the specifics and respond I’ll be accused of “white knighting” Zos.

I’ve only been playing 2 years and from the changes I’ve seen, Zos does care about its players. They do care about the game. They are putting in way too much effort for these kinds of accusations. Sure, they make giant mistakes no question, AND it eventually comes around again and gets fixed. Look at Templars and Repentance. Giant dumb mistake to take away corpse sharing in Morrowind, now they brought it back. Take a look at Battlegrounds being for only those who bought Morrowind as a chapter. I pre-ordered that and I still thought it was a dumb idea to limit the population. I wasn’t surprised at all when they opened it up.

There’s a lot of bureaucracy and paper shuffling (and I bet some ego soothing) that takes place before things get reverted or changed. Try talking to any artist about their work and we can get pretty defensive. There’s a lot more that goes into producing this than most people can fathom.

Idk, leave if you want to, send me your stuff etc etc. I just don’t see the apocalyptic vision of the game this thread has.

What I know for certain is that the people in this thread are those that are bothering to still lurk,..for a bit longer...There are untold others that just left.

Maura_Neysa · November 2018

Cronopoly wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

I don’t know about this thread. Some of this seems like hyperbole. I can critique something I love, no issues there. It’s just in this thread... There are some blanket statements in this thread that are kind of absolutist. I know if I quote the specifics and respond I’ll be accused of “white knighting” Zos.

I’ve only been playing 2 years and from the changes I’ve seen, Zos does care about its players. They do care about the game. They are putting in way too much effort for these kinds of accusations. Sure, they make giant mistakes no question, AND it eventually comes around again and gets fixed. Look at Templars and Repentance. Giant dumb mistake to take away corpse sharing in Morrowind, now they brought it back. Take a look at Battlegrounds being for only those who bought Morrowind as a chapter. I pre-ordered that and I still thought it was a dumb idea to limit the population. I wasn’t surprised at all when they opened it up.

There’s a lot of bureaucracy and paper shuffling (and I bet some ego soothing) that takes place before things get reverted or changed. Try talking to any artist about their work and we can get pretty defensive. There’s a lot more that goes into producing this than most people can fathom.

Idk, leave if you want to, send me your stuff etc etc. I just don’t see the apocalyptic vision of the game this thread has.

What I know for certain is that the people in this thread are those that are bothering to still lurk,..for a bit longer...There are untold others that just left.

Truth

qbit · November 2018

I’ve been having it off with an old FWB struggling with addiction and there is a zerg of white knights spring loaded and salty af that she is positing about us on Facebook.

I may logon today to pay my dues. I really hope someone has bought my over priced target dummies.

JJBoomer · November 2018

with how they've broken the mac client with no fix in sight, that's a big hit to player population as well since that client is unplayable at the moment because people are topping out at 2 fps in the wilderness with no one around.

i too am looking at ashes of creation and am researching boot camp. Maybe ESO is in hospice now, and all the crap ZOS has done lately is the euthanasia.