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Thank you ZOS for the 3% of spell critical nerf

Benemime
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Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

(Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)
  • Darkenarlol
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    do you really still beleive that they care and/or able to

    do something adequate? lol
  • Taleof2Cities
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    That ship sailed a month and a half ago.

    Best to come to terms with it now ... before another month and a half elapses and you still haven't changed your build out of spite.
  • pod88kk
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    Welcome to the party pal!!!!
  • USarmydrew09
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    I have been running a It's magic Sorcerer for 3 years and in one dlc they have single handedly destroyed the Sorcerer Because they cannot separate pve and PVP I'm still running a 100% damage shield strength but it doesn't do me any good if everything Burns through the shield like it's not even there the reason why sorceress Have Shields is because they run light armor so they need them for survivability taking that away you might as well just delete the Sorcerer altogether or put him as a craft or like I did my night played a few years ago
  • Skullstachio
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    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.
    If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...

    If a game does not respect your time, best thing to do is move on from it and find something else.
  • Lord-Otto
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    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    He's talking MINOR Prophecy, from the Exploitation passive, unique to sorcs.
  • Benemime
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    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    I already slot inner light, since it gives me 7% max magicka and 2% magicka recovery. I know about this set but I prefer other sets lol

    inner light(major prophecy) + netch's touch(bonus to spell critical) + destruction mastery (bonus to spell critical) + slimecraw (every piece from every set is golden, except jewelry, slimecraw also gives spell critical) = 50% spell critical. If I replace destruction mastery for julianos, it won't do much either. My staff is infused and I won't change that since I love proccing shock dmg glyph, and my mundus is lover (and I won't change to thief since I hate Spell Erosion CP because it's so costly, investing on other things on CP is much better than wasting dozens of points there to increase 1%).
    Edited by Benemime on November 8, 2018 2:34AM
  • Skullstachio
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    Lord-Otto wrote: »
    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    He's talking MINOR Prophecy, from the Exploitation passive, unique to sorcs.

    I know, but have you actually considered the combination of the two for enhanced crit'ability? (Because I have along with the calculus of Spell precision, Treasure Hunter, minor & major Prophecy and more.)
    Benemime wrote: »
    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    I already slot inner light, since it gives me 7% max magicka and 2% magicka recovery. I know about this set but I prefer other sets lol

    inner light(major prophecy) + netch's touch(bonus to spell critical) + destruction mastery (bonus to spell critical) + slimecraw (every piece from every set is golden, except jewelry, slimecraw also gives spell critical) = 50% spell critical. If I replace destruction mastery for julianos, it won't do much either. My staff is infused and I won't change that since I love proccing shock dmg glyph, and my mundus is lover (and I won't change to thief since I hate Spell Erosion CP because it's so costly, investing on other things on CP is much better than wasting dozens of points there to increase 1%).

    Interesting Acquisition of knowledge.
    Edited by Skullstachio on November 8, 2018 2:39AM
    If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...

    If a game does not respect your time, best thing to do is move on from it and find something else.
  • Banana
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    Ice heart will get it back and help out with the rubbish shields
  • lagrue
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    Pure nerf to all non-sorc magicka builds. Complained about it a month ago - was told it was for the group play of the game smh.
    "You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"
  • Benemime
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    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Lord-Otto wrote: »
    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    He's talking MINOR Prophecy, from the Exploitation passive, unique to sorcs.

    I know, but have you actually considered the combination of the two for enhanced crit'ability? (Because I have along with the calculus of Spell precision, Treasure Hunter, minor & major Prophecy and more.)
    Benemime wrote: »
    Alpha-Lupi wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    Do you think every magsorc uses crystal frags on their build? Do you think it's nice to force us to either create a build that uses frags or else we are stuck with mother's sorrow set to not rely on fragsorc (or other heavily crit based sets). Petsorcs and netchstouchsorcs are excluded. I won't use that awful recovery skill either that costs 1,2s to cast during a boss fight.

    What about the other magclasses that can't access minor prophecy??

    (Btw the same complain applies to stamclasses and their 3% crit nerf too)

    Have you tried the Treasure Hunter set? it provides major prophecy at all times while also adding up to 100 extra spell damage on the 5th piece (at the cost of being unable to use major prophecy from other sources such as potions, slotting certain abilities, etc.) It can also help manage your ability setup easier since you won't need to slot an ability such as magelight to gain major prophecy.

    I already slot inner light, since it gives me 7% max magicka and 2% magicka recovery. I know about this set but I prefer other sets lol

    inner light(major prophecy) + netch's touch(bonus to spell critical) + destruction mastery (bonus to spell critical) + slimecraw (every piece from every set is golden, except jewelry, slimecraw also gives spell critical) = 50% spell critical. If I replace destruction mastery for julianos, it won't do much either. My staff is infused and I won't change that since I love proccing shock dmg glyph, and my mundus is lover (and I won't change to thief since I hate Spell Erosion CP because it's so costly, investing on other things on CP is much better than wasting dozens of points there to increase 1%).

    Interesting Acquisition of knowledge.

    I invest 7 points on Spell Erosion because I wear infused on big pieces that won't give me full Lover mundus bonus, since infused gives "more" than divines on bigger pieces, already did the math comparing everything, infused on bigger pieces gives more dmg, if you invest many points on Spell Erosion you will lose dps. So divines on small pieces with Lover + 7 points on spell erosion will give enough spell penetration. If I had access to 6% spell critical from minor prophecy i'd be set. but ZOS ruined my life.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?
  • Benemime
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    lagrue wrote: »
    Pure nerf to all non-sorc magicka builds. Complained about it a month ago - was told it was for the group play of the game smh.

    WHo did this on their develop team? oh so every dungeon you go there's a magsorc?? what if it's a stamsorc that is the other dps? dark magic tree is such a *** tree we should gain minor prophecy from using Storm Calling or Daedric Summoning abilities that are much more rounded for both stam and mag sorcs, dps or tank. they literally bound minor prophecy to frags since every other skill from that tree isn't good for a dps rotation, no good for dungeon. dark magic is not good if you are tanksorc either.
    Edited by Benemime on November 8, 2018 3:05AM
  • Benemime
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    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.
    Edited by Benemime on November 8, 2018 3:12AM
  • Facefister
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    Get a sorc healer :)
  • WrathOfInnos
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    I miss the days when Daedric Tomb was a good skill.
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    I'm sorry that you choose to refuse to slot even a single skill from one of three trees available to the class and as a result cannot use skills you do not have slotted.

    My sympathies.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.
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    Why should you expect all builds to get access to all the same buffs?
    3% spell critical does not make or break a build. This update will already giving 5% more spell damage, as long there is a Templar in your group to balance it out.
    Netch's Touch is a bad set. BSW, Spell Strategist, even Julianos beats it in raw DPS.
    Edited by susmitds on November 8, 2018 3:57AM
  • lagrue
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    susmitds wrote: »
    Why should you expect all builds to get access to all the same buffs?
    3% spell critical does not make or break a build. This update will already giving 5% more spell damage, as long there is a Templar in your group to balance it out.

    Well if you want to look at it how it actually happened - all builds outside of group play got nerfs - this wasn't just a nice buff, ZOS stole this 3% from the 2 stars in the CP related to Weapon/Spell Critical... they were each nerfed from 12% to 9%. Also 3% is not always small...3% Spell Critical can account for 1-3k DPS depending - that's a huge hit. You are trying to play this off as a buff - but it's not, it's a half-handed nerf and redistribution of the critical to groups only.

    You shouldn't HAVE to be grouped up in the game to mitigate blatant nerfs, in my opinon. I play a Mag DK and we already have severe limits on our DPS abilities compared to other classes - any % lost is a huge nerf for us... there's only so much I can do to boost my DPS and now I've just lost 3% crit straight up, on my build that's result in ~1.8k less damage from my rotation overall.

    Just a fun fact but even with all Divines on everything + Thieves Stone you still couldn't get back that 3%. That 3% literally holds more weight than the entire Divines trait, period. That should say something considering virtually everybody tries to work in 4pc. Divines for that 1% bonus they get for 4 pieces...

    This game never used to force grouping down people's throat at all times, only when it was necessary (i.e. dungeons) - in fact this game was always great for respecting people's wishes to play solo and not have to suffer hugely. We can PVP solo, we can play 99% of the game solo - but now we're going to suffer nerfs for "group" synergy even though we all know groups are gonna stay largely the same split they are now anyway - the only that changes is that now the people nerfed have to rely on somebody else to give them their stats back. That's literally the only change.

    When you say "why should all builds get access to the same buff?" The answer is simple - it wasn't a buff. They took away CP that benefited 100% of all players, and gave it to specific classes which will benefit 100% of the time - but the other 80% of people who once had those buffs from CP are now screwed unless they group up. It was a buff to nobody, and a nerf to 80% of people. Plain and simple.
    Edited by lagrue on November 8, 2018 4:23AM
    "You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"
  • Tannus15
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    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.
  • susmitds
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    lagrue wrote: »
    susmitds wrote: »
    Why should you expect all builds to get access to all the same buffs?
    3% spell critical does not make or break a build. This update will already giving 5% more spell damage, as long there is a Templar in your group to balance it out.

    Well if you want to look at it how it actually happened - all builds outside of group play got nerfs - this wasn't just a nice buff, ZOS stole this 3% from the 2 stars in the CP related to Weapon/Spell Critical... they were each nerfed from 12% to 9%. Also 3% is not always small...3% Spell Critical can account for 1-3k DPS depending - that's a huge hit. You are trying to play this off as a buff - but it's not, it's a half-handed nerf and redistribution of the critical to groups only.

    You shouldn't HAVE to be grouped up in the game to mitigate blatant nerfs, in my opinon. I play a Mag DK and we already have severe limits on our DPS abilities compared to other classes - any % lost is a huge nerf for us... there's only so much I can do to boost my DPS and now I've just lost 3% crit straight up, on my build that's result in ~1.8k less damage from my rotation overall.

    This game never used to force grouping down people's throat at all times, only when it was necessary (i.e. dungeons) - in fact this game was always great for respecting people's wishes to play solo and not have to suffer hugely. We can PVP solo, we can play 99% of the game solo - but now we're going to suffer nerfs for "group" synergy even though we all know groups are gonna stay largely the same split they are now anyway - the only that changes is that now the people nerfed have to rely on somebody else to give them their stats back. That's literally the only change.

    When you say "why should all builds get access to the same buff?" The answer is simple - it wasn't a buff. They took away CP that benefited 100% of all players, and gave it to specific classes which will benefit 100% of the time - but the other 80% of people who once had those buffs from CP are now screwed unless they group up. It was a buff to nobody, and a nerf to 80% of people. Plain and simple.

    For 3% spell critical loss to be 1-3k loss, you need to be doing 50k-150k without it. They will obviously steal power away from the CP system to keep things in balance. Unlike unscaled level system, the problem with scaled levelling and horizontal progression is power creep will keep making everything easier. You are getting 30 CP every patch, It gives far more to DPS, sustain and survivability than 3% spell crit. The result is that people are now able to previously unthinkable things, like clearing vMA naked or clearing vMA without a single skill on bar.
    No, you are wrong about ESO never trying to enforce grouping. They tried that with Craglorn, they tried that with IC and they tried to sneakily enforce it quite a few times. This is probably one of the few things, they did right this patch by giving you added bonuses for grouping and returning power to the classes' support system from CP.
  • Benemime
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    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    I won't give you my build if that's what you are asking. Good luck on finding yours on YouTube lol
  • Benemime
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    susmitds wrote: »
    Why should you expect all builds to get access to all the same buffs?
    3% spell critical does not make or break a build. This update will already giving 5% more spell damage, as long there is a Templar in your group to balance it out.
    Netch's Touch is a bad set. BSW, Spell Strategist, even Julianos beats it in raw DPS.

    It's actually 6%
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    Tonturri wrote: »
    I'm sorry that you choose to refuse to slot even a single skill from one of three trees available to the class and as a result cannot use skills you do not have slotted.

    My sympathies.

    Do you even play with sorc? Do you even know what you are talking about when you are defending Dark Magic tree? lol.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.

    Thank you for that. I actually run a pet sorc. My bars look like this-

    Inner light- scamp- matriarch- deadric prey- crystal frags- ulti destro ulti

    Power surge- scamp- matriarch- lightning flood- unstable blockade, ulti atro

    You only need to proc frags once every 20 seconds and since I run a 6 second rotation, that is easy to maintain. Don't really see why you need drestro touch on the front bar. Pretty bad dps skill.


    Benemime wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    I won't give you my build if that's what you are asking. Good luck on finding yours on YouTube lol

    You are super aggressive for no reason. Seek out therapy.
  • Benemime
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.

    As far as I know force pulse counts as 3 hits and it is 3 times easier to proc frags. Or was that just a myth?
    Edited by Benemime on November 8, 2018 11:45PM
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Benemime wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.

    As far as I know force pulse counts as 3 hits and it is 3 times easier to proc frags. Or was that just a myth?

    FP does counts as 3 hit for damage sets but only it is only one cast, not 3. so no more or less frag procs then any other skill.
  • carlos424
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.

    Thank you for that. I actually run a pet sorc. My bars look like this-

    Inner light- scamp- matriarch- deadric prey- crystal frags- ulti destro ulti

    Power surge- scamp- matriarch- lightning flood- unstable blockade, ulti atro

    You only need to proc frags once every 20 seconds and since I run a 6 second rotation, that is easy to maintain. Don't really see why you need drestro touch on the front bar. Pretty bad dps skill.


    Benemime wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    I won't give you my build if that's what you are asking. Good luck on finding yours on YouTube lol

    You are super aggressive for no reason. Seek out therapy.

    Assuming you heavy attack every rotation, try slotting clench. Hit clench while also holding heavy attack. Clench will pop off at the end of heavy attack, bar swap and continue the rotation. You will be surprised at how much more dps you will get by swapping out frags for clench.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    carlos424 wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    Yeah, pet sorc don't run frags.

    flappy, imp, d-touch, bound aegis, prey -- atro
    flappy, imp, wrath, blockade, liquid lightning -- destro ult

    this is not unusual.

    force pulse doesn't proc frags any more or less than any other skill, but heavy attack max magicka builds like pet sorcs won't be spamming skills enough to make slotting frags worthwhile. Because they are heavy attack focused dark deal is also out.

    Thank you for that. I actually run a pet sorc. My bars look like this-

    Inner light- scamp- matriarch- deadric prey- crystal frags- ulti destro ulti

    Power surge- scamp- matriarch- lightning flood- unstable blockade, ulti atro

    You only need to proc frags once every 20 seconds and since I run a 6 second rotation, that is easy to maintain. Don't really see why you need drestro touch on the front bar. Pretty bad dps skill.


    Benemime wrote: »
    Benemime wrote: »
    what do your bars look like that you cant slot frags?

    do you know that there's lightning based builds (netch's touch) and pet builds, light atk/heavy atk builds that won't proc frags either right? there's a mandatory major sorcery skill (surge or entropy), major prophecy from inner light, magshield, bound aegis if you like to min/max.

    not everyone likes to slot that bland-cheap-a$$ force pulse skill and frags combo, since force pulse procs frags easily.

    I asked a simple question, please answer.

    I won't give you my build if that's what you are asking. Good luck on finding yours on YouTube lol

    You are super aggressive for no reason. Seek out therapy.

    Assuming you heavy attack every rotation, try slotting clench. Hit clench while also holding heavy attack. Clench will pop off at the end of heavy attack, bar swap and continue the rotation. You will be surprised at how much more dps you will get by swapping out frags for clench.

    Thank you for the protip but I get ~35k, with almost no weaving. That is enough for me and better then 87% of the DPS I meet in the group finder. With my rotation on my pet sorc, which is by far the easiest of the 7 DPS I have, I do just fine.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 9, 2018 5:12AM
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