Melee MNB Murkmire and After

Koolio · November 2018

I’ve been playing a MNB for a long time. Since race change came out. They worked great for bombing. And more recently dueling. But Melee MNB is in a bad spot. Both open world dueling and Pve. Why does a class with multiple melee moves suck at Melee. For me a few reasons.

Since Morrowind I have had a few things nerfed for “balance” on an underused playstyle.
My build lost

Minor vitality
Minor protection
Lotus fan snare nerf
Shield nerf
Charged/infused glyphs nerf (not torugs)
Fear nerf
Impale nerf
Merciless Nerf
Healing ward nerf

These are just some of them off the top of my head. With all this considered I can theory craft all day but it still fails. There were about 10 people in all of my 3+ year playing a fight DW MNB. I look for videos constantly but the closest ones are over a year old. There’s no reason to right now. Destro just provides too much to justify going Melee/DW. Can this please get something. I will definitely be playing around with it more but it doesn’t looks good.

I can go heavy for terrible damage or light for suicide. The mirage change will definitely help but trying to be melee against let say

Heavy Dk
Stamden
Mag Dk
Magplar
Stamplar

Is essentially a death sentence. Surprisingly I don’t ever have problems against a stamblade as a melee MNB.

I haven’t fought a Stamplar in quite a while but that will change soon. I already have a problem standing in Extended with 100% snare uptime cleansing Cripple Lotus and All of soul harvest effects in one purify.

I thought this patch was going to have a buff for Melee MNB as stated in the Class Rep notes in June and August. But it didn’t. In fact it got nerfed/buff with defensive changes.

Who is the Nighblade Rep and has anything else been brought to the table to help this?

Oh wait NDA they can’t say.

WTB Video of developers playing a Melee Magic NB successfully. Or almost anyone without caluurions.

But seriously is there anything on the table for them?

Or just Go with build diversity aka Necro Shield Destro Duel build

BlackMadara · November 2018

Question, as I don't play NB. What makes stam NB better than mag NB in your opinion?

Joxer61 · November 2018

BlackMadara wrote: »

Question, as I don't play NB. What makes stam NB better than mag NB in your opinion?

not sure...…bow skills cuz they are strong as?

Koolio · November 2018

For Dev Comment on Puncturing Sweeps change

We want to make sure Melee Builds are adequately rewarded for the extra amount of risk they are undertaking.

Melee MNB are not rewarded for being in Melee range.

ScruffyWhiskers · November 2018

When the lag gets going in primetime melee is a terrible choice. Last night I could barely land a concealed weapon with a stun. I know melee mag blade isn't the only build that experiences this. I wish I was a better bomber but I suck at that.

Lag also does funky stuff to cloak and stealth.

You can zerg surf and gank guys who are on horses or looking at inventory. And without Caluurion, melee magblade is hopeless. You will only be a bad stam blade without the dodge roll and vigor.

It woudn't solve all the problems but finding some way to make DW light attacks scale off of spell damage and max magicka would be a reall boon. Not going to change everything but a good first step.

Undefwun · November 2018

Some of those changes screwed with magblades full stop (healing ward change by itself took chunk out of my back bar tankyness)... let alone going melee (again)..

I tried melee magblade for a while and swapped to destro with summerset and it is much easier...
I made stam toons for my melee fix...

I been thinking about trying again and just like you I can't think of a way to make it viable, especially factoring my averageness at pvp in general...

lucky_Sage · November 2018

No magick class is rewarded for being melee they still get alot of the punishments that range mag builds have

Kadoin · November 2018

lucky_Sage wrote: »

No magick class is rewarded for being melee they still get alot of the punishments that range mag builds have

Exactly. For PvP, I wouldn't play melee mag anything without SnB and/or ice staff. I'm going to be using my NB as melee mag or hybrid NB soon lol. Admittedly, I need practice on it since I don't use it much besides trolling and avoiding damage.That, and to determine what will be the best skill loadout and/or if I want to keep using combat physician or if iceheart alone accomplishes what I want (don't have SnB of it yet so I stole it off my troll mag sorc build

).

Both of those sets are strong on mNB and templar together since one skill can activate both. Stacking swallow soul + degeneration + dark cloak almost guarantees that both are on me off CD on my current build. Guess how powerful that is when you have enough stam to roll all the time?

edit: fixed a mistake

lucky_Sage · November 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

No magick class is rewarded for being melee they still get alot of the punishments that range mag builds have

Exactly. For PvP, I wouldn't play melee mag anything without SnB and/or ice staff. I'm going to be using my NB as melee mag or hybrid NB soon lol. Admittedly, I need practice on it since I don't use it much besides trolling and avoiding damage.That, and to determine what will be the best skill loadout and/or if I want to keep using combat physician or if iceheart alone accomplishes what I want (don't have SnB of it yet so I stole it off my troll mag sorc build ).

Both of those sets are strong on mNB and templar together since one skill can activate both. Stacking swallow soul + degeneration + dark cloak almost guarantees that both are on me off CD on my current build. Guess how powerful that is when you have enough stam to roll all the time?

edit: fixed a mistake

your dmg should be good its the survivabilty that will be hard. people where doing melee magblades before they where running 5shackle 5 amberplasm. if I was doing it id go 2h/resto and maybe troll king monster set

kaithuzar · November 2018

IMO mist form doesn’t work for the “melee skirmisher playstyle”. Too much damage coming in as a vamp. So 2h forward momentum build is the only way to make melee magblade work IMO.

Destro staff w/either mist form or purge/cleanse alliance war skill can work but you better not get in melee range & better be good at kiting with shade (still broke?)

The easiest build for 2h melee magblade IMO is heavy Julianos with spinner; gl

Dionysus · November 2018

Try 5-1-1 light, non-vamp, 7x impen:

Spell Strategist (5 body pieces)
Transmutation (3x Protective) jewelry + Infused 2h frontbar with Oblivion enchant
vMA Resto backbar w/ Berserker (or double-poison if Skoria)
Troll King / Skoria

Lover or Steed mundus
Citrus CW filet / Ghastly Eye Bowl

Lethal, can take sustained damage from 2 (sometimes 3) players without dropping, good healing, good sustain with vMA resto/Siphoning Attacks/food buff, good escapability with 2h Momentum+Shade+Cloak

Lord_Eomer · November 2018

Joxer61 wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

Question, as I don't play NB. What makes stam NB better than mag NB in your opinion?

not sure...…bow skills cuz they are strong as?

High Burst Damage with other utility,

Icap (stun make it far better than soul assault) + surprise attack + lot of dodge roll + vigor burst heal + lot of stam for breakfree + extra crit chance on hitting crit