Would you kick?

Salvas_Aren · November 2018

Since I usually run vets in a fixed tank+heal setup, at this point I would have left you and your fellow DPS alone.

In the dungeon, not the group ofc. My raid partner and me would start a pickpocket session in Vivec. Yes, without leaving the group. Yes, on tank and heal. We would do this for 3 hours and watch you complain in the group chat and die again and again. We would get a bounty of 2-10k and we would call it a day.

I hope this helps.

ImmortalCX · November 2018

When the tank and healer want to kick the other dps, you gotta let it happen.

A new dps will pop in less than a minute and you will be on your way.

Resisting the will of the tank and healer...not a good idea.

Rake · November 2018

Kick the bucket

ghastley · November 2018

What I haven't seen here is any communication from tank to weak DPS.

If it went "Let me lead" "No, I won't", then kick. If nothing was communicated but the kick vote, then no.

iiYuki · November 2018

Kick

If they wont listen to people telling them to stop pulling and let the tank lead I would kick. On easy dungeons (like BC1) I can live with the other DPS being bad as long as the tank or healer are decent too, because I can do DPS by myself. In harder dungeons I would kick bad DPS after a few goes or leave.

MartiniDaniels · November 2018

Leave

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

They had trouble with Shadowrend, how? LOL.

I would have left. Sounds like a fail group.

I bet they ain’t know nothin’ about interrupt

Swomp23 · November 2018

I wouldn't have kicked until they start spamming ''hurry up''.
Before that, it might just have been someone learning and just imitating everyone else he ever saw run a dungeon.
But after you take the time to try to explain and he just spams ''hurry up'', then I would have kicked him, found where he lived and punched him in the ***.

RedRook · November 2018

Leave

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Luigi_Vampa · November 2018

I would have just left him dead atevery boss and just do the DPS myself. It isn't a hard dungeon.

PouletRico · November 2018

Kick

Narvuntien wrote: »

"Hey, guys hurry up I want to get this done" pipes up the other dps.
and so I start to try to explain to this dps what the problem is
"Okay so they want you to stop hurrying up that's their problem, let the tank lead"
"Hurry up then"
"The tank needs to control the monsters so they don't kill you and they need to be the one to go first"
"Okay, cool, hurry up"

*Vote to kick*

NordSwordnBoard · November 2018

Leave

I have higher tolerance for shenanigans on my DD due to que time and the ability to carry a group more than my healer or tank. I just judge by my own parameters if the group will take too long or fail altogether. If you can salvage the group by kicking one bad potato, kick it.

Sometimes, it is just easier to cycle through login and load screens to use new characters than untangle some of those toxic PUG groups.

playsforfun · November 2018

Leave

i would of left the moment i saw him running into adds and bosses and dying

FuriousStar · November 2018

Leave

Personally for me, and if already on my Mag sorc, I'd probably just leave and solo it on normal. I'll take the loss of one key over a possible aneurysm.

SirAndy · November 2018

Not Kick

Just carry them, that is indeed one of the easy dungeons. Soloed it several times on vet.

The only thing in there that requires your attention (especially when soloing) is the last boss because of his stupid "you dead" mechanic.

ImmortalCX · November 2018

When one dps runs ahead and pulls, it's usually the *other* dps who suffers.

The guy who runs ahead and pulls ime usually has a survivability build. You see him popping vigor or shields, but the other dps usually isn't as high CP or as tanky.

Because the tank hasnt had a chance to taunt, the mobs hit dps#2 hard. And then the healer has a real problem on their hands.

And it can make dps#2 look weak, because they have to back out of the fight and play defensively, or they die.

This brings up an interesting point... are some dps so intent on topping the meters that they have a poison playstyle that hurts other dps? Its hard to predict what a bored loser will do after he's run easy content 1000 times.

Loralai_907 · November 2018

Not Kick

I wouldn't kick anyone. But I don't do dungeons, because this is legit my nightmare. People wanting to kick me would be my personal hell. So I skip the whole thing and am working on other things for now.

Wolfpaw · November 2018

Kick

When I play a tank I don't care if dps rushes forward in normal non dlc's dungeons, hell I'm glad to see the dungeon speed up. In dlc's & vet dungeons ifdps is rushing forward throwing-up threat everywhere (usually towards healer), screwing up grouping mobs and burning down, I say yes to kick w/o hesitation.

The WoW thing is just dumb.

eso_nya · November 2018

Leave

Two drama queens and a skiptard? have em waste someone elses time.

Chicharron · November 2018

The other day I made my random daily, was vWGT, 99% of the time they are players stuck with the Planar Inhibitor boss.

1 hour and a half after explaining the mechanics again and again we finally complete the dungeon.

I just kick people who do not wait when someone needs to quest, people have no patience these days.

Jeremy · November 2018

Kick

Narvuntien wrote: »

Okay so I was doing today's pledges. I got a group from my guild for vVoM but for some strange reason they left before doing vBC1 but I thought "what the hell its the easiest dungeon I can PUG this no problem"... I was wrong... kind of.

I am on my max cp stamden (still leveling some skill lines including undaunted) so my dps is pretty good even without perfect play. I pick up the dungeon quest and we start the dungeon.

I take a laser to the face from the first boss and embarrassingly die but we kill it easy enough. To my surprise a "vote to kick" option pops up, worried for a sec its me (for dying) but its for the other dps.... thats odd. I check their cp, 250 easy no problem for vBC1 they haven't accidentally blundered in here. I say no to the vote kick... vote kick comes up again.. nope of course not stop that.... again it pops up.

We face shadowrend, the other dps dies... then I die to the trash before the boss spawns... the tank and healer try to take on the boss alone.. while telling me to yes the vote kick that the other dps was a baddie that leashes trash, dies and complains plus he has terrible dps. I try to explain this is the easiest dungeon and we'll just be fine. eventually the healer gets board of waiting for the tank to kill the boss and rezzes me so I rezz the other dps and we kill the boss.

The group chat is aflame by this point, and they just keep voting to kick. We get to the next boss the other dps starts it, dies, (and unfortunately my bear continues it) but the three of us kill it.

I get whispers:
"He is a WOW player and he needs to learn respect not to run in leash trash and die and complain, WOW is a hive of scum"
"I have never played WOW, I just want people to be able to play the game without getting kicked"
"Not you him, he has bad dps and bad habits by not kicking him you are rewarding his behaviour you have to kick him"

"Hey, guys hurry up I want to get this done" pipes up the other dps.
and so I start to try to explain to this dps what the problem is
"Okay so they want you to stop hurrying up that's their problem, let the tank lead"
"Hurry up then"
"The tank needs to control the monsters so they don't kill you and they need to be the one to go first"
"Okay, cool, hurry up"
"Ask nicely"
"huh?"
"Ask nicely"

*The tank and healer leave* I get a whisper: "I am not going to waste time with WOW kids"

"Have you ever played WOW"
"what! no never?"
"well they kept complaining that you were an inconsiderate wow player I though maybe your name or something was from there because I don't know how else they could of thought that"
Then I went back to trying to explain what the problem was whille we waited for the new queue to pop.

Soon enough it does and we easily enough finish the dungeon (on hard mode) a few more deaths (both me and him) but we got rezzed.

Then everyone left the group before I could finish the quest and I tilt quit the game to write this.

I would have probably went along with the kick to be honest. The player sounds like an impatient ___ who kept charging ahead of the tank and getting others killed. He was asked to stop - and his response was basically to tell everyone else to hurry up then.

Players like this who try to rush everything usually just end up getting people killed and making the dungeon take longer than it otherwise would in my experience.

DanteYoda · November 2018

Leave

Seriously...

You just explained in a nutshell why i don't do dungeons ever... Just buy your gear from traders, far far less stress and stupidity.

ol_BANK_lo · November 2018

Leave

Narvuntien wrote: »

Okay so I was doing today's pledges. I got a group from my guild for vVoM but for some strange reason they left before doing vBC1 but I thought "what the hell its the easiest dungeon I can PUG this no problem"... I was wrong... kind of.

I am on my max cp stamden (still leveling some skill lines including undaunted) so my dps is pretty good even without perfect play. I pick up the dungeon quest and we start the dungeon.

I take a laser to the face from the first boss and embarrassingly die but we kill it easy enough. To my surprise a "vote to kick" option pops up, worried for a sec its me (for dying) but its for the other dps.... thats odd. I check their cp, 250 easy no problem for vBC1 they haven't accidentally blundered in here. I say no to the vote kick... vote kick comes up again.. nope of course not stop that.... again it pops up.

We face shadowrend, the other dps dies... then I die to the trash before the boss spawns... the tank and healer try to take on the boss alone.. while telling me to yes the vote kick that the other dps was a baddie that leashes trash, dies and complains plus he has terrible dps. I try to explain this is the easiest dungeon and we'll just be fine. eventually the healer gets board of waiting for the tank to kill the boss and rezzes me so I rezz the other dps and we kill the boss.

The group chat is aflame by this point, and they just keep voting to kick. We get to the next boss the other dps starts it, dies, (and unfortunately my bear continues it) but the three of us kill it.

I get whispers:
"He is a WOW player and he needs to learn respect not to run in leash trash and die and complain, WOW is a hive of scum"
"I have never played WOW, I just want people to be able to play the game without getting kicked"
"Not you him, he has bad dps and bad habits by not kicking him you are rewarding his behaviour you have to kick him"

"Hey, guys hurry up I want to get this done" pipes up the other dps.
and so I start to try to explain to this dps what the problem is
"Okay so they want you to stop hurrying up that's their problem, let the tank lead"
"Hurry up then"
"The tank needs to control the monsters so they don't kill you and they need to be the one to go first"
"Okay, cool, hurry up"
"Ask nicely"
"huh?"
"Ask nicely"

*The tank and healer leave* I get a whisper: "I am not going to waste time with WOW kids"

"Have you ever played WOW"
"what! no never?"
"well they kept complaining that you were an inconsiderate wow player I though maybe your name or something was from there because I don't know how else they could of thought that"
Then I went back to trying to explain what the problem was whille we waited for the new queue to pop.

Soon enough it does and we easily enough finish the dungeon (on hard mode) a few more deaths (both me and him) but we got rezzed.

Then everyone left the group before I could finish the quest and I tilt quit the game to write this.

It doesn't sound like the healer or tank were great people. If you don't like something, just leave. Having the other dps initiate fights only explains very little of all the deaths. There clearly were more problems. I tank a lot and my dps (people I know) often start fights, but I pick everything up and we move along. I'm curious where the WOW thing comes into play if the guy never played it. Bad sports by the tank and healer. I would have voted to kick them just for fun. lol

ATomiX96 · November 2018

Not Kick

101 reasons to solo pledges or only play with friends and guildmates

Dungeons Like bc1 can be soloed easily even on vetHM

Narvuntien · November 2018

Not Kick

ImmortalCX wrote: »

When one dps runs ahead and pulls, it's usually the *other* dps who suffers.

The guy who runs ahead and pulls ime usually has a survivability build. You see him popping vigor or shields, but the other dps usually isn't as high CP or as tanky.

Because the tank hasnt had a chance to taunt, the mobs hit dps#2 hard. And then the healer has a real problem on their hands.

And it can make dps#2 look weak, because they have to back out of the fight and play defensively, or they die.

This brings up an interesting point... are some dps so intent on topping the meters that they have a poison playstyle that hurts other dps? Its hard to predict what a bored loser will do after he's run easy content 1000 times.

Ah that explains why I kept dying, I was rather embarrassed by that, I don't have a lot of hp atm because I don't have the undaunted passive yet I need that extra 6%. Also I have green lotus slotted instead of vigor/spores slotted because I am a cheapskate and don't want to pour so much cash into weapon damage/crit/stam pots just for pledges.

I do normally do pledges with guildmates but there is this weird thing where people seem to just do one of the pledges and leave... as happened yesterday and since vBC1 is so easy I decided to PUG it... turns out that was a mistake.

DarcyMardin · November 2018

Leave

I would have left the group when the tank and healer started pressuring me to kick someone whom I had already voted *not* to kick. People should respect the results of the vote and not keep trying to push it through.

That said, if the other DPS was constantly running ahead of the tank and dying to trash, I probably would have voted to kick him without needing to be pressured into it.

DBZVelena · November 2018

Not Kick

Imo i hate guys that act like that.
its not about skill either. the guy just blamed the lower dps for his own failure to get to the boss first. AND instead of asking the low dps to let him get his taunt in first before they attack. Instead they try to poison the group against the guy for no other reason that not knowing how tanking vs dps roles work in ESO. (and then assuming its because they play WoW? Random much?)

Had i been in the situation i would have been very vocal about the tanks behavior in blaming others for his own failings. And how nobody learns if you don't explain stuff.

Really, people should start being nicer to each other.

4am · November 2018

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yeah, goin’ to use this:
https://m.wikihow.com/Speak-with-a-Cockney-Accent
‘opefully it’ll ‘elp, I fink I’ll learn it in a week an staht to speahk like a real bosmah

That's quite possibly the worst guide to learning Cockney I've ever seen...

For starters everyone should know it ain't "mo-thah", but "muvva"...

kylewwefan · November 2018

Kick

I normally go with the flow. Vote to kick comes up, go with it. The other day I voted yes. This guy was removed.

5 seconds later, I was voted out by these two numb skulls.

I don’t kick anymore. Just leave.

TheCyberDruid · November 2018

Leave

As soon as drama kicks in I'd leave. No matter what the problem is in my experience it's never worth to bother with it.

Minyassa · November 2018

Kick

I didn't think I would've kicked until all that "hurry up" crap. If you're actually going out of your way to save someone's bacon from other people who want to kick them, and explaining what they need to do in order to not get kicked, "hurry up" is the most useless and least grateful response. At that point I would've told them I tried and gone along with the vote to kick.