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ESO lite and Enhancement of ESO plus
Dimitris_1
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After great thought I decided to make a suggestion for a new subscription type (along side ESO plus) that I call: ESO lite
ESO lite is a smaller subscription type that should have 1/3 of the cost of ESO plus (example: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, then ESO lite should cost 5 Euros) and should include 3 things:
1) The crafting bag
2) Ability to dye costumes
3) 500 Crowns for each month
This subscription will serve as a mid step fro eso free account to eso plus account. And will not be available for 1 month period but for 3, 6, 9 or 12 months.
I remind you that ESO plus has many other benefits (like bank capacity increase, furniture capacity increase, 10% bonus in XP and gold and many other) beside the crafting bag and the ability to dye costumes. Also ESO plus will give 1650 Crowns/month which are more than triple the amount of 500 Crowns/month that ESO lite gives. Also, since the ESO lite is a minimum 3 months subscription the player will receive 3x500=1500 Crowns at the beginning of this period.
Why I suggest that ESO lite should be minimum 3 month subscription. The cost will be the same as ESO plus (3xESO lite = ESO plus, eg.: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, ESO lite will cost 15 Euros, but it will be 3 month period - 5 Euros per month). But why am I suggesting this?
a) Because I am seeing ESO lite as a step towards ESO plus for players that don't know if they truly need the subscription.
b) Because there should be available an option to upgrade from ESO lite to ESO plus. The remaining days of ESO lite will be divided by 3. Example: A player has 20 Remaining days of ESO lite and wants to upgrade to ESO plus. Then we have 20 days/3=6.66 days which are 6 days and 18h of ESO plus. The 1/3 of the remaining ESO lite will become ESO plus. 1 day ESO lite is equal to 8h ESO plus and 1h ESO lite is equal to 20mins ESOM plus
c) I believe that many players who are playing free, will subscribe to ESO lite and some of them might upgrade to ESO plus for a period. It will help players to manage their accounts better
d) By giving the player with ESO lite the opportunity to dye costumes, and this small amount of Crowns, he will buy costumes and dyes. Also it will be a great opportunity for most of the free players to move to this subscription and thus the company will increase profits and the gamers will have a better gaming experience.
By rejecting the whole idea, unfortunately you accept that ESO plus is only about the crafting bag. And that everything else included is not important. The problem is that some people who paid for many many months the ESO plus, might have financial problems and cant continue with that. Also since the system removes items firstly from the crafting bad they become very frustrated, they cant afford the condition without this privilege and they minimize or abandon the game. I don't want many players only during events. I want a thriving game.
Other people cant afford the crafting bag and since the condition deteriorates day by day in their account, (even with 7 alternative characters the problem if transferring items, logging in and out makes life miserable in game) and even if they support the player base because they play many hours, they abandon the game and more importantly will tell others the issue and this is very bad for the game and the company.
Summarize:
- This is a suggestion about a secondary subscription type that I call ESO lite.
- ESO lite should cost 1/3 of price than ESO plus in month terms, but is available for 3,6,9 or 12 months, so the player pays the same amount of money like ESO plus, but receives less privileges for a longer time (and thus promising to become loyal for longer period to the game)
- It includes the Crafting bag, the ability to dye costumes and 500 Crowns per month (example; the player receives 1500 Crowns when subscribes for 3 months, which is the minimum)
- It gives the opportunity to upgrade later to ESO plus for the 1/3 of the remaining time
In case Bethesda and Zenimax believes ESO Plus should need a greater benefit if it co-exists with ESO lite, I suggest the following ideas:
1) The daily login presents should be sent automatically to all ESO plus players. Since they support the game with the full subscription they deserve to be away if they choose it for some days. They lose paid time. Bethesda and Zenimax have earned the money for the ESO plus in advance. So if a ESO plus player becomes sick or must leave away for a reason (job trip, exams etc) he wont lose the daily login presents. They will be automatically sent to the mail and since the system mails don't expire they are safe there. In case they expire, then this is after 30 days of absence!!!
2) If hirelings can send mails with items to a player and these mails are considered as system mails, then I suggest to add 1 hireling for every DLC an ESO plus player has bought. I know access to those DLCs is free in ESO plus, but I don't want players from ESO plus to downgrade to ESO lite without any serious reason! A hireling will send precious items to those ESO plus players who own the DLCs (even if those DLCs become part of the main game - just for thanking those dedicated supporters of the game).
3) If the mails mentioned above are not considered system mails... then all ESO plus players should have double mail capacity.
4) Increase in XP & credits bonus to 15%
5) Some crown stones for the first activity of each type completed every day (dungeon, dolmen, public dungeon, delve, area boss etc).
ps. This is my personal opinion. I don't want to offend anybody.
ESO lite is a smaller subscription type that should have 1/3 of the cost of ESO plus (example: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, then ESO lite should cost 5 Euros) and should include 3 things:
1) The crafting bag
2) Ability to dye costumes
3) 500 Crowns for each month
This subscription will serve as a mid step fro eso free account to eso plus account. And will not be available for 1 month period but for 3, 6, 9 or 12 months.
I remind you that ESO plus has many other benefits (like bank capacity increase, furniture capacity increase, 10% bonus in XP and gold and many other) beside the crafting bag and the ability to dye costumes. Also ESO plus will give 1650 Crowns/month which are more than triple the amount of 500 Crowns/month that ESO lite gives. Also, since the ESO lite is a minimum 3 months subscription the player will receive 3x500=1500 Crowns at the beginning of this period.
Why I suggest that ESO lite should be minimum 3 month subscription. The cost will be the same as ESO plus (3xESO lite = ESO plus, eg.: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, ESO lite will cost 15 Euros, but it will be 3 month period - 5 Euros per month). But why am I suggesting this?
a) Because I am seeing ESO lite as a step towards ESO plus for players that don't know if they truly need the subscription.
b) Because there should be available an option to upgrade from ESO lite to ESO plus. The remaining days of ESO lite will be divided by 3. Example: A player has 20 Remaining days of ESO lite and wants to upgrade to ESO plus. Then we have 20 days/3=6.66 days which are 6 days and 18h of ESO plus. The 1/3 of the remaining ESO lite will become ESO plus. 1 day ESO lite is equal to 8h ESO plus and 1h ESO lite is equal to 20mins ESOM plus
c) I believe that many players who are playing free, will subscribe to ESO lite and some of them might upgrade to ESO plus for a period. It will help players to manage their accounts better
d) By giving the player with ESO lite the opportunity to dye costumes, and this small amount of Crowns, he will buy costumes and dyes. Also it will be a great opportunity for most of the free players to move to this subscription and thus the company will increase profits and the gamers will have a better gaming experience.
By rejecting the whole idea, unfortunately you accept that ESO plus is only about the crafting bag. And that everything else included is not important. The problem is that some people who paid for many many months the ESO plus, might have financial problems and cant continue with that. Also since the system removes items firstly from the crafting bad they become very frustrated, they cant afford the condition without this privilege and they minimize or abandon the game. I don't want many players only during events. I want a thriving game.
Other people cant afford the crafting bag and since the condition deteriorates day by day in their account, (even with 7 alternative characters the problem if transferring items, logging in and out makes life miserable in game) and even if they support the player base because they play many hours, they abandon the game and more importantly will tell others the issue and this is very bad for the game and the company.
Summarize:
- This is a suggestion about a secondary subscription type that I call ESO lite.
- ESO lite should cost 1/3 of price than ESO plus in month terms, but is available for 3,6,9 or 12 months, so the player pays the same amount of money like ESO plus, but receives less privileges for a longer time (and thus promising to become loyal for longer period to the game)
- It includes the Crafting bag, the ability to dye costumes and 500 Crowns per month (example; the player receives 1500 Crowns when subscribes for 3 months, which is the minimum)
- It gives the opportunity to upgrade later to ESO plus for the 1/3 of the remaining time
In case Bethesda and Zenimax believes ESO Plus should need a greater benefit if it co-exists with ESO lite, I suggest the following ideas:
1) The daily login presents should be sent automatically to all ESO plus players. Since they support the game with the full subscription they deserve to be away if they choose it for some days. They lose paid time. Bethesda and Zenimax have earned the money for the ESO plus in advance. So if a ESO plus player becomes sick or must leave away for a reason (job trip, exams etc) he wont lose the daily login presents. They will be automatically sent to the mail and since the system mails don't expire they are safe there. In case they expire, then this is after 30 days of absence!!!
2) If hirelings can send mails with items to a player and these mails are considered as system mails, then I suggest to add 1 hireling for every DLC an ESO plus player has bought. I know access to those DLCs is free in ESO plus, but I don't want players from ESO plus to downgrade to ESO lite without any serious reason! A hireling will send precious items to those ESO plus players who own the DLCs (even if those DLCs become part of the main game - just for thanking those dedicated supporters of the game).
3) If the mails mentioned above are not considered system mails... then all ESO plus players should have double mail capacity.
4) Increase in XP & credits bonus to 15%
5) Some crown stones for the first activity of each type completed every day (dungeon, dolmen, public dungeon, delve, area boss etc).
ps. This is my personal opinion. I don't want to offend anybody.
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craftycarper73✭✭✭✭✭Why should someone who pays 1/3 of the price get the crafting bag as someone who pays full price? i am confused.
Most people sub for the craftbag, if you want the craftbag, pay full price.
If someone wants to the support the game in terns if a sub-lite, then great, but it shouldnt include an unlimted craft bag.Edited by craftycarper73 on November 2, 2018 7:09PMBorn, Bred & Made in Manchester UK, RIP 22 Angels. 22/05/2017
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ah, it’s that time of year again.
Second thread this week on wanting the craft bag for cheap to free. Hiding it in a wall of text doesn’t make it any less plain to see.
Zos has crunched the numbers, they will never give the craftbag for less. Everytime threads like these pop up, they clench the sphincter
even tighter.
The more you want it, the less they are inclined to give it to you.Edited by max_only on November 2, 2018 7:16PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭please stop finding another tricky way to get crafting bag cheaper lol
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emily3989✭✭✭✭✭I don't subscribe, but if I did, the 3 top things I would want are the crafting bag, dying costume ability, and a few free crowns to play with. Funny that is "all the OP is asking for". Why would anyone pay $15 a month then? for a 10% xp bonus on 8 cp 810 characters?
I am of the few that want a crafting bag very badly, but don't want to pay for it, and I can accept that and deal. You should too.Thasi - V16 Magblade Vampire PC/NA5 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good suggestion. The main thing I get the ESO plus for is the free DLC. The crafting bag is nice, too.0 -
Never gonna happen. The craft bag is the big draw. No way they give that away in a smaller package...dream on.PS4 NA DC id: goldenflamesling3 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭At best they might consider a crafting bag only subscription model for 10 $/€. It's not as important as the purchasable reskins, but they'll surely not give away the main reason for ESO+ that cheap.0 -
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This, the crafting bag is the main bonus of eso+.craftycarper73 wrote: »Why should someone who pays 1/3 of the price get the crafting bag as someone who pays full price? i am confused.
Most people sub for the craftbag, if you want the craftbag, pay full price.
If someone wants to the support the game in terns if a sub-lite, then great, but it shouldnt include an unlimted craft bag.
Now offer other stuff like an +300 furniture slot item.
Or an ESO++, double the price but you can 1) select dungeons for random, so you could do an random vet with only CoA1 and Wayrest1 and you get fast-lane in queue you also get double bank and housing slots of ESO+
Adding multiple stuff will get more people interested.
Add an trial finder for normal trials and arenas with it
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
ListoneGrSoul ShrivenWhy everyone trying to downgrade something, without even having read it?
I understand that no one has read the whole text or you are just selfish in your believes.
You have not even understand what dimitris said. if eso lite was real right now i will not buy it because it wont give anything important for me to make gold. but i agree with the idea bacause the new players will find it helpfull.
I inform you that craftingbag isn't so important as the double bank space and the dlc's. i had eso+ for 3 years now i stop my subscription before a month the only think i miss from eso plus was the bank space and the dlc, do you know why? because all crafting items mus not stack i your account but you must sell them, every day the cost of materials is decreasing, so you must sell your materials fast to gather money and when you need something just buy it. if you need it after a month you will buy them 20-40% lower than the price you sold them so if you put out the selling taxes you will have a 15-30% profit and the materials you want back. So whats the point of crafting bag? To gather material and have it until you will need it? and when one day quit eso plus (because all of you some day will stop it) and you stack with no space in bank and your inventory because what ever you will try to craft will take items from your craft bag first. If you think i'm right, write something good or else go buy a year eso plus and then gather a year crafting materials to keep them for the time you will need them and look at them with pride because you will have a priceless collection of junks0 -
Doctorium✭✭✭Not going to happen. Most subs are only because of the craft bag... which most games offer as a basic part of the game. Quality of life enhancements such as the craft bag should not be under a subscription. More content/quests/dungeons for a subscription? Sure, makes sense. Craft bag? No..2
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Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?1 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭i dont know why do you need this bag. there are inventory management addons on pc which can stack, delete or sell items automatically. the best storage is a gold bank account as for me.0 -
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✭✭✭Not going to happen, especially with the new Eso+ benefits starting this November. With the exclusive deals, extra added crowns, and 30% off crown crates they have just added more incentive to get people to subscribe with the craft bag sitting on top saying, "Do it!!~". You want eso light, purchase three months or a month. You are getting more crowns then you are paying, which would help you buy 3 smaller storage chests for a three month purchase. Which is a good deal imo.
They already give players free dailies, including the new dlc and level up rewards that are really great compared to how things were.
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Jakx✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?
Why would you buy crowns and not have ESO plus? If you want 1500 crowns the best deal is ESO Plus. So I guess the answer to your question is.. they dont buy crowns lol.
ZOS knows craft bag is 99% of ESO Plus incentive. There's no way they dilute that cash cow. This is coming from the company that now sells crown options for vamp/wolf cleanses. It's only going to get more expensive from here.Joined September 20131 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who is so broke and buys 1500 crowns? The last time I bought crowns, it was 21k.
Sorry, but I'm not sorry that you superiours can't talk me into bad deals.Edited by Salvas_Aren on November 3, 2018 2:16PM0 -
DBZVelena✭✭✭✭✭the only way i see your lite idea work is if the craft bag had an limit on what you could put in it. like an 100 items per slot type of limit.
That is IF YOU'RE REALLY trying to suggest a half way step to a full eso+ sub. And not simply want to get it for less than its worth.
Also only time eso+ subbers buy crowns is when they have run out. (unlikely to happen soon with the recent stuff in the shop. they're focusing far to much on the crown crates.)What are Natch Potes? Can you eat those?
I believe in Genie-Gina.0 -
TheDarkoil✭✭✭If ESO plus is worth €15 then as far as I'm concerned the craft bag is worth roughly about €14.99 of that.1
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Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭I suggested that a year ago, I do not think it happens.
My only problem with ESO+ is that i do not know what to do with the crowns, I do not sell it because i do not need gold, i do not give them because the only friend I have does not need them.
I am not a collector, i do not have a house, my brown horse does the same as any other mount and the two costumes that i am interested in have already got them.
If there was a version of ESO+ that only gave me a craftbag i would accept itEdited by Chicharron on November 3, 2018 4:00PM0 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Why should they offer a watered down version of their sub model? There is nothing wrong with it as it is now.
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✭✭✭✭✭I stopped reading here:By rejecting the whole idea, unfortunately you accept that ESO plus is only about the crafting bag.2 -
menathradiel✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?
Do you know how many crowns subscribers buy?Tank Girl1 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭To everyone saying or thinking that craft bags are the main draw for ESO+...that's exactly the problem.
Crafting bags should NOT be the main focus for a paid subscription when there are much bigger incentives, such as being able to have all the DLCs for free, double furniture/bank space, and dyeing costumes. The only reason ZOS has crafting bags locked behind a premium subscription is because they offer no other alternative to actually managing mats in this game, and they know that even non-crafters will either be forced into a sub to deal with it, or suffer constantly playing the inventory management minigame.
ZOS hasn't offered an increase to the max number of bank or inventory slots, yet they keep adding dozens of new mats. For crafters who hoard mats in order to, y'know, craft, this is an absolute nightmare without the craft bags. And even for people who don't craft, they'll have dozens of slots taken by random mats just by playing the game normally, picking up stuff they get from mobs or containers or whatever. A person who only plays, say, three or four characters shouldn't have to have a full roster just to use as mules to offload all the crap they get because ZOS wants to be greedy.
And before anyone says anything, I sub to ESO+ whenever I can, so I'm not someone off to the side of the road whining for something I don't have. While the main incentive SHOULDN'T be something that ought to be vanilla, unfortunately for me as it is for most others, it is one of the main issues we sub. We have to. There should be some sort of vanilla version of the craft bag, maybe it only has 100 slots so you have to prioritize a bit of something, though honestly in my opinion crafting bags as they are now should be a vanilla feature. If ZOS is going to refuse to give us more inventory space overall while continuously adding new mats (and other items) to the game, then yes, they should either offer crafting bags for free, or as part of some smaller sub thing.
Besides, don't a lot of other services that offer subscriptions give you different levels for varying prices? I don't really see why ZOS couldn't do the same thing.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
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Have an $200 phone and eso+ all the waySalvas_Aren wrote: »I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?
And I obviously want 4 chapters each year with 3 dungeons and an real trial even if I have to pay for the chapters.
However realistic it will not happen neither would an crafting bag only eso(+)
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭So to the original poster, what did you do what that $10 that you would have saved? How many big macs did you buy? What is that one beer in a pub? I find it funny when people complain about price when it is so small in this day and age. Yes I know coming up with a full pay up front can be a lot, but doing it monthly I am sure almost everyone just throws the money away on frivolous stuff.
Stop going to the pub. Stop going to a movies. Stop having that one or two fast food meals.
I use to think like this, paying $22 Canadian taxes included for ESO+ until I found out I just spent that money of Mc D's or what ever. So I stopped, and now have my monthly allotment of ESO+ now.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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✭✭✭Dimitris_1 wrote: »After great thought I decided to make a suggestion for a new subscription type (along side ESO plus) that I call: ESO lite
ESO lite is a smaller subscription type that should have 1/3 of the cost of ESO plus (example: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, then ESO lite should cost 5 Euros) and should include 3 things:
1) The crafting bag
2) Ability to dye costumes
3) 500 Crowns for each month
This subscription will serve as a mid step fro eso free account to eso plus account. And will not be available for 1 month period but for 3, 6, 9 or 12 months.
I remind you that ESO plus has many other benefits (like bank capacity increase, furniture capacity increase, 10% bonus in XP and gold and many other) beside the crafting bag and the ability to dye costumes. Also ESO plus will give 1650 Crowns/month which are more than triple the amount of 500 Crowns/month that ESO lite gives. Also, since the ESO lite is a minimum 3 months subscription the player will receive 3x500=1500 Crowns at the beginning of this period.
Why I suggest that ESO lite should be minimum 3 month subscription. The cost will be the same as ESO plus (3xESO lite = ESO plus, eg.: if ESO plus costs 15 Euros, ESO lite will cost 15 Euros, but it will be 3 month period - 5 Euros per month). But why am I suggesting this?
a) Because I am seeing ESO lite as a step towards ESO plus for players that don't know if they truly need the subscription.
b) Because there should be available an option to upgrade from ESO lite to ESO plus. The remaining days of ESO lite will be divided by 3. Example: A player has 20 Remaining days of ESO lite and wants to upgrade to ESO plus. Then we have 20 days/3=6.66 days which are 6 days and 18h of ESO plus. The 1/3 of the remaining ESO lite will become ESO plus. 1 day ESO lite is equal to 8h ESO plus and 1h ESO lite is equal to 20mins ESOM plus
c) I believe that many players who are playing free, will subscribe to ESO lite and some of them might upgrade to ESO plus for a period. It will help players to manage their accounts better
d) By giving the player with ESO lite the opportunity to dye costumes, and this small amount of Crowns, he will buy costumes and dyes. Also it will be a great opportunity for most of the free players to move to this subscription and thus the company will increase profits and the gamers will have a better gaming experience.
By rejecting the whole idea, unfortunately you accept that ESO plus is only about the crafting bag. And that everything else included is not important. The problem is that some people who paid for many many months the ESO plus, might have financial problems and cant continue with that. Also since the system removes items firstly from the crafting bad they become very frustrated, they cant afford the condition without this privilege and they minimize or abandon the game. I don't want many players only during events. I want a thriving game.
Other people cant afford the crafting bag and since the condition deteriorates day by day in their account, (even with 7 alternative characters the problem if transferring items, logging in and out makes life miserable in game) and even if they support the player base because they play many hours, they abandon the game and more importantly will tell others the issue and this is very bad for the game and the company.
Summarize:
- This is a suggestion about a secondary subscription type that I call ESO lite.
- ESO lite should cost 1/3 of price than ESO plus in month terms, but is available for 3,6,9 or 12 months, so the player pays the same amount of money like ESO plus, but receives less privileges for a longer time (and thus promising to become loyal for longer period to the game)
- It includes the Crafting bag, the ability to dye costumes and 500 Crowns per month (example; the player receives 1500 Crowns when subscribes for 3 months, which is the minimum)
- It gives the opportunity to upgrade later to ESO plus for the 1/3 of the remaining time
In case Bethesda and Zenimax believes ESO Plus should need a greater benefit if it co-exists with ESO lite, I suggest the following ideas:
1) The daily login presents should be sent automatically to all ESO plus players. Since they support the game with the full subscription they deserve to be away if they choose it for some days. They lose paid time. Bethesda and Zenimax have earned the money for the ESO plus in advance. So if a ESO plus player becomes sick or must leave away for a reason (job trip, exams etc) he wont lose the daily login presents. They will be automatically sent to the mail and since the system mails don't expire they are safe there. In case they expire, then this is after 30 days of absence!!!
2) If hirelings can send mails with items to a player and these mails are considered as system mails, then I suggest to add 1 hireling for every DLC an ESO plus player has bought. I know access to those DLCs is free in ESO plus, but I don't want players from ESO plus to downgrade to ESO lite without any serious reason! A hireling will send precious items to those ESO plus players who own the DLCs (even if those DLCs become part of the main game - just for thanking those dedicated supporters of the game).
3) If the mails mentioned above are not considered system mails... then all ESO plus players should have double mail capacity.
4) Increase in XP & credits bonus to 15%
5) Some crown stones for the first activity of each type completed every day (dungeon, dolmen, public dungeon, delve, area boss etc).
ps. This is my personal opinion. I don't want to offend anybody.
This is a LONG write up just to say that you want the crafting bag for less than a full sub.1 -
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Have an $200 phone and eso+ all the waySalvas_Aren wrote: »I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?
And I obviously want 4 chapters each year with 3 dungeons and an real trial even if I have to pay for the chapters.
However realistic it will not happen neither would an crafting bag only eso(+)
It's not a matter of phone prices, it's a matter of mental conversion. Never heard that Apple products influence your mind?menathradiel wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »I hate this toxicity about being cheap or not supportive.
ESO+ players tend to show off an elitist behaviour that makes me believe all of them use iphones.
Do you know how many crowns non subscribers buy?
Do you know how many crowns subscribers buy?
Let me guess: 1500 per month?
Edited by Salvas_Aren on November 3, 2018 5:41PM0 -
menathradiel✭✭✭✭Dimitris_1 wrote: »a) Because I am seeing ESO lite as a step towards ESO plus for players that don't know if they truly need the subscription.
You can try out ESO+ during one of the many free ESO+ periods.Dimitris_1 wrote: »By rejecting the whole idea, unfortunately you accept that ESO plus is only about the crafting bag.
It is, and I don't have a problem with that. What you are suggesting is that ZoS take one of the main features of ESO+ and offer it at a discounted price. You claim this will increase their income but the opposite is true, if they craft bag was available at a lower subscription price, many people would simply switch their subscription to the lower tier.
The main thrust of your argument appears to be that some people cannot afford ESO+ and therefore something similar should be available at a lower price. ESO+ is not prohibitively expensive. In my part of the world it is £9 per month, and frankly, if my financial situation was so dire that I could not afford that, I would not be spending my time playing the game in the first place.Tank Girl0
