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DRAGONKNIGHT REFLECT a little too OP in pvp
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✭✭✭✭✭DK wings is fine. The only class that has no play against it is ranged Magblade. That can be really difficult to impossible.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This game is rock/paper/scissors and the rock has always been and will always be, DK (fossilize pun intended).
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Thrain✭✭✭✭while we are at nerfing shields tbh sorc shield never annoyed me as much as the dk reflect. there are only a few skills that counter that and as a magicka user ur crippled.... (u cant use 50 % or more of ur bar) if u compare eclipse from templars to it for example atleast ur skill still goes through.... against a dk fighting on a magicka character seems somewhat pointless.( they regenerate very fast and u cant touch them while reflect is on unless with destruction staff beam but that alone will do nothing )
pls increase the cost or change the effect specific for pvp. or is there a weakness im not seeing ?
Many dks are dot dks cuz they dont really got a class specific spamable attack like jabs from templar as example except magdks with whip but still not a really op ability
So if wings wouldnt reflect anymore they would just apply their dots and then every sneaking nb would spam them to death.
Other example templar got a very strong healing, sorc got his shields (even with murkmire) nb got their cloak and if you would kill wings what would dks have left? So if you want to kill wings you would have to kill cloak, healing and shields as well
I already saw skilled magblades destroiying dks or yesterday i was on my sorc again with his pve gear and killed wing spaming dks in bgs....but indeed crying for a nerf is easier than working on your build or playstileEdited by Thrain on November 3, 2018 6:44AM4 -
An_An✭✭✭while we are at nerfing shields tbh sorc shield never annoyed me as much as the dk reflect. there are only a few skills that counter that and as a magicka user ur crippled.... (u cant use 50 % or more of ur bar) if u compare eclipse from templars to it for example atleast ur skill still goes through.... against a dk fighting on a magicka character seems somewhat pointless.( they regenerate very fast and u cant touch them while reflect is on unless with destruction staff beam but that alone will do nothing )
pls increase the cost or change the effect specific for pvp. or is there a weakness im not seeing ?
The weakness is CC / melee. One can also do three low damage range attacks to deplete the wings and sneak a CC in between. Once CC’d burst as much as possible. Conserve stamina yourself to get out of melee range because they want you to get in melee range.
The very point of wings is because DKs are not built for range play. So without wings they’re as good as a ranged target.
Also I don’t know anyone who can spam wings and live. It costs a lot of magicka which DKs also need to attack and heal and the like.
A good PvP build is supposed to be balanced enough to hold its own against a difficult class. If you are using range projectile attacks only, the blame is mostly on you.Edited by An_An on November 3, 2018 6:49AM6 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭while we are at nerfing shields tbh sorc shield never annoyed me as much as the dk reflect. there are only a few skills that counter that and as a magicka user ur crippled.... (u cant use 50 % or more of ur bar) if u compare eclipse from templars to it for example atleast ur skill still goes through.... against a dk fighting on a magicka character seems somewhat pointless.( they regenerate very fast and u cant touch them while reflect is on unless with destruction staff beam but that alone will do nothing )
pls increase the cost or change the effect specific for pvp. or is there a weakness im not seeing ?
It is an essential part of the DK class toolkit due to inherent built in weaknesses of the class much like other class defining abilities ie cloak, bolt escape etc. DK has no ability to escape, limited mobility from class skills and an entirely melee damage skillset. This skill has already been nerfed heavily since launch and is currently situationally beneficial due to the high cost and poor performance of the skill ( bugs out and allows projectiles through, status effects applied even though projectile reflected etc etc). Several ranged skills bypass the reflect, as stated above, to provide "counterplay" against the skill, the tools are there.Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
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✭✭Seriously, if zos were to listen to all these frankly stupid complaints than the game would lose all it's flavor, do you realize how many times wings have already be nefred?
Like seriously get a clue.Edited by JinMori on November 3, 2018 7:06AM8 -
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✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »well since this is a nerf dk post...please nerf fossilize as well...no CC should be able to bypass block/dodge mechanic.
DK have complete kit (tanky, can reflect, self heals, dots, cheap ults, good stuns, snare immunity) to own 1 Vs 1 or infact 1 Vs 3-4 if good DK
Reflective Scales is OP against range magicka while holding chaos ball, they reflect almost 80% of ur spells and light attack.
Running fossilize in BG with ur group buddies gives easy kills
Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 3, 2018 7:41AM0 -
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✭✭kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »while we are at nerfing shields tbh sorc shield never annoyed me as much as the dk reflect. there are only a few skills that counter that and as a magicka user ur crippled.... (u cant use 50 % or more of ur bar) if u compare eclipse from templars to it for example atleast ur skill still goes through.... against a dk fighting on a magicka character seems somewhat pointless.( they regenerate very fast and u cant touch them while reflect is on unless with destruction staff beam but that alone will do nothing )
pls increase the cost or change the effect specific for pvp. or is there a weakness im not seeing ?
It is an essential part of the DK class toolkit due to inherent built in weaknesses of the class much like other class defining abilities ie cloak, bolt escape etc. DK has no ability to escape, limited mobility from class skills and an entirely melee damage skillset. This skill has already been nerfed heavily since launch and is currently situationally beneficial due to the high cost and poor performance of the skill ( bugs out and allows projectiles through, status effects applied even though projectile reflected etc etc). Several ranged skills bypass the reflect, as stated above, to provide "counterplay" against the skill, the tools are there.
DK can reflect almost 80% of magicka range skills + inferno light attacks + Heavy
Player look fool using inferno staff against them, force shock works which even can not be used with light attack!Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 3, 2018 7:36AM0 -
Well you only look fool if you try to fight them, in BG I got swarmed by other stam DW or Nightblades.
You either kill your enemy fast enough before they kill you try yourself and you will realize tanking isn’t performing well as you expect.0 -
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✭Wow, the dk army is strong. I mean buff dk, buff fossilize, buff wings, buff battle roar, buff major mending or ign shield,.....
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NERF SORCSEdited by Zer0oo on November 3, 2018 9:38AM
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✭✭Yes, people, indeed, let's not stray away from our main topic of discussion. That being nerfing sorcs of course. ^^ And NBs' cloak while at it, since it's the equivalent of DK's wings. ^^1 -
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✭✭JasonWangTaiwan wrote: »Well you only look fool if you try to fight them, in BG I got swarmed by other stam DW or Nightblades.
You either kill your enemy fast enough before they kill you try yourself and you will realize tanking isn’t performing well as you expect.
Problem is Magicka dealing with DK where most of skills are range and reflect.
We all know, DK in PVP are doing too good and need some treatment!
Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 3, 2018 11:39AM0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »well since this is a nerf dk post...please nerf fossilize as well...no CC should be able to bypass block/dodge mechanic.
I don't see why not. It provides excellent counterplayValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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pzschrek✭✭✭✭Magsorc vs mag dk is a stalemate 1v1. Keep curse up and spam resto light attacks at them and wait for someone else to show up. Spam that resto LA to keep their shields down and let everyone else whale on them. When they start to really get pressured and are about to do that thing where they heal to full, NEGATE THEIR ASS
I do keep negate on my bar just because there’s so many out there and they’re such a pain. It’s hilarious, nobody expects you to negate one guy. It can even end the stalemate if you can manage to keep enough pressure on them to get a burst opening.“The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on.”1 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Noctus Glad to see you're incapable of making a statement to refute what I stated; It just goes to show that you're intellectually bankrupt.
If that's the only thing you can say then see yourself out mate, the fact is the Dragon Knight class has been the most nerfed class in the game thanks to people who whine and site all this anecdotal evidence to justify some preconceived notion since they cannot learn from their own mistakes and blame the class for being "OP" in their eyes.
Thanks to people like yourself we've got ZOS changing passives in ardent flame to give us better stam regen when your crowd nerfed the earthen heart passives that gave us a fair amount of regen that was reliable.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.1
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✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...1 -
Thrain✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
Its called counterplay maybe heard of it?1 -
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✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
Complains about wings.
Has cloak which is basically a GG you won't kill me button vs 90% of classes unless they spam AoEs for a chance to reveal or spec something that directly gimps them vs everyone else.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
Its called counterplay maybe heard of it?
wut?
Any way i don't think wings should get nerfed just because of 1 class, better idea would be to make strife go through it.Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
Complains about wings.
Has cloak which is basically a GG you won't kill me button vs 90% of classes unless they spam AoEs for a chance to reveal or spec something that directly gimps them vs everyone else.
I really don't care i pvp'd with magblade for 10 hours and realized its crap, gonna revert it back to pve alt, i just feel for the magblade mains, cloak is hardly a counter to wings and gets countered easily by volatile.Edited by Trancestor on November 3, 2018 3:58PM1 -
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Why not? Magicka Sorcs do and we don't have any heals eitherTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Why not? Magicka Sorcs do and we don't have any heals eitherTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
You got crit surge and blood magic passive which is plenty enough, magblades have nothing without swallow soul.1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »
Why not? Magicka Sorcs do and we don't have any heals eitherTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
You got crit surge and blood magic passive which is plenty enough, magblades have nothing without swallow soul.
Crit Surge: Nope, not even gonna bother addressing this...but I am gonna say it's hard to crit when you don't stack crit
Blood Magic: That passive that activates once every...oh, 5 seconds or so? Since Frags is our only useful ability that activates it?
Give me a freaking break, manValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »
Why not? Magicka Sorcs do and we don't have any heals eitherTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
You got crit surge and blood magic passive which is plenty enough, magblades have nothing without swallow soul.
Crit Surge: Nope, not even gonna bother addressing this...but I am gonna say it's hard to crit when you don't stack crit
Blood Magic: That passive that activates once every...oh, 5 seconds or so? Since Frags is our only useful ability that activates it?
Give me a freaking break, man
I'm not the one needing to give a freaking break man, what you are suggesting is suicide for magblade, really really dumb suggestion.0 -
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Sorry you feel that way dude. But you're being willfully ignorant lolTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »
Why not? Magicka Sorcs do and we don't have any heals eitherTrancestor wrote: »Trancestor wrote: »As a maglbade it definitely is OP, none of your skills can actually hit, and people say "it costs a lot just drain their magicka" well that doesn't stop good magdk's from being able to spam it the whole fight, as other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it so it's much less of an issue, it's a gg for magblades tho, oh well, shittiest class now anyway.
"As other magicka classes you got skills that ignore it"
Bro that's mainly Force Pulse, which everyone has access to...
lol yeah so magblades are supposed to use force pulse instead of Swallow Soul which is their only heal?
Really dude...
You got crit surge and blood magic passive which is plenty enough, magblades have nothing without swallow soul.
Crit Surge: Nope, not even gonna bother addressing this...but I am gonna say it's hard to crit when you don't stack crit
Blood Magic: That passive that activates once every...oh, 5 seconds or so? Since Frags is our only useful ability that activates it?
Give me a freaking break, man
I'm not the one needing to give a freaking break man, what you are suggesting is suicide for magblade, really really dumb suggestion.
I don't disagree Magblade needs help (see Vigor thread) but they can most definitely use Force Pulse to counter DKsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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