Noctus wrote: »

while we are at nerfing shields tbh sorc shield never annoyed me as much as the dk reflect. there are only a few skills that counter that and as a magicka user ur crippled.... (u cant use 50 % or more of ur bar) if u compare eclipse from templars to it for example atleast ur skill still goes through.... against a dk fighting on a magicka character seems somewhat pointless.( they regenerate very fast and u cant touch them while reflect is on unless with destruction staff beam but that alone will do nothing )
pls increase the cost or change the effect specific for pvp. or is there a weakness im not seeing ?

Deplete it with fast weak hits. And don't forget that DK is melee/short-range build, and you sorc is long range, dk got a lot more fire incoming in group fights.. and if you talk about duels.. this game is "balanced" around group play, not about duels

There are numerous skills that aren't reflected by wings. Sorc has Curse & Wrath. Templar has jabs, Backlash, beam. Warden has shaulks, the bird (tested, the stamina morph is not reflected), Swarm. NB is a little SOL, and I think the skills in the NB kit need to be revisited in terms of which can be reflected (Cripple being the main one, pretty sure this isn't a projectile, and yet it is affected by wings), though you have Force Pulse, Veiled Strike, and Assassin's Blade. A few ultimates also aren't affected by wings, and I can't think of any proc sets that are affected. So it has counters, you just need to adapt to them, just like anything else in PVP.

Even still, wings isn't as good as you think it is. It's an expensive skill (3500 magicka) that is completely binary: it is either amazing, or completely useless. Against a single player, yes, it is very strong. But against 2 or more ranged players, it's basically useless, as it reflects a flat 4 projectiles, including basic attacks like light/heavy attacks, which causes it to hit the cap and drop the moment you cast it. Against an entire team of ranged players, it is completely useless. For this reason, quite a few people actually don't run it, especially in open world where ranged is stronger. It also has exceptions, as I've outlined, and is a little buggy in that it lets some projectiles through occasionally.

In this case, it is unfortunately a L2P issue. Wings sucks if you're a ranged player who uses projectiles throughout your entire kit, but there are counters to it. The easiest is honestly to just kite and survive, maybe throw some CC in. As I said, wings is an expensive skill, so a DK cannot keep it up indefinitely without investing heavily into magicka regen.

Noctus wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

There are numerous skills that aren't reflected by wings. Sorc has Curse & Wrath. Templar has jabs, Backlash, beam. Warden has shaulks, the bird (tested, the stamina morph is not reflected), Swarm. NB is a little SOL, and I think the skills in the NB kit need to be revisited in terms of which can be reflected (Cripple being the main one, pretty sure this isn't a projectile, and yet it is affected by wings), though you have Force Pulse, Veiled Strike, and Assassin's Blade. .

im using a nightblade ;D. but im not one of those hit and run players i guess thats why it bothers me more

As soon as they take away your cloak ability. or double the cost of it. apparently nothing hits you while you have it on.

move along folks. just a l2p issue.

pssst! *cough* fossilize...*cough*

Not a single dk will ever accept how op they are))

having bad time against dk wings?

there can be only one solution - nerf sorcs

Noctus wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

There are numerous skills that aren't reflected by wings. Sorc has Curse & Wrath. Templar has jabs, Backlash, beam. Warden has shaulks, the bird (tested, the stamina morph is not reflected), Swarm. NB is a little SOL, and I think the skills in the NB kit need to be revisited in terms of which can be reflected (Cripple being the main one, pretty sure this isn't a projectile, and yet it is affected by wings), though you have Force Pulse, Veiled Strike, and Assassin's Blade. .

im using a nightblade ;D. but im not one of those hit and run players i guess thats why it bothers me more

Then maybe instead of nerfing your own characters including the dk, because guess what, you can play them all!! That's right, Zos, let's you play pretty much every class. All these nerf posts amaze me as you are just asking to nerf yourself in the long run. So what you really asking is Zos, please take more of my game away from me, smh.

tbh even with maining a nb im all in for a cloak nerf. after detection u shouldnt be able to activate that skill again for 3 seconds.
if funnel health would be a beam and not a projectile it would allready fix the disadvantage without nerfing reflect

I play them all, apparently you don't. I have played stamblade and magblade since the start in PvP. If you are having trouble on a nb this dlc then l2p. My stamblades are absolutely evil this one but I luv my dks, my sorcys not so much anymore but I have both magic and stamina versions of each class maxed out and tbh I would rather have them all available then sitting collecting dust. Each has their own playstyle, well more so before this dlc but still instead of whining for nerfs realize all the classes are there to be played. So make new characters and have fun because after they gutted sorcys, I am pretty sure it's going to be nighty night for my nightblades sometime soon. The only way to stop that is play the game, learn and have fun, and stop caring if you die or can't kill everything.

The weakness is the cost...All you have to do is not attack and make someone burn their magicka down, then attack. Lots of PvP is eventually down to mind games or tricks these days from what I've seen...