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Cyrodiil Campaigns and Batteground for <= CP 500 Players
Lord_Eomer
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Players having less than 500 CP are mostly suffering in Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds from elite ESO players.
Regardless of CP or non CP, mostly they suffer most!
My two cents for ZOS:
1. Add New Campaign and Battleground for Players <= 500 CP,
2. Predefined Groups are strong in BG, either do not allow Queue Random or do something with Predefined groups
This will encourage them to go for PVP activities!
I am 1038 CP but notice occasionally while doing PVP and Batteground!
Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 2, 2018 11:42AM Regardless of CP or non CP, mostly they suffer most!
My two cents for ZOS:
1. Add New Campaign and Battleground for Players <= 500 CP,
2. Predefined Groups are strong in BG, either do not allow Queue Random or do something with Predefined groups
This will encourage them to go for PVP activities!
I am 1038 CP but notice occasionally while doing PVP and Batteground!
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Xarc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I agree for Battlegrounds under 500CP, even 600 because it's really fast to reach this amount of cp (i tested myself on another account, so 400-500cp doesnt mean you have been here for a long time).
Some 1000+ cp are playing BG to farm new players...
We know it's No cp, but when you have 1000CP it usually means you can craft some nice gear and have good experience in game, you know how it works.Edited by Xarc on November 2, 2018 11:30AM@xarcs FR-EU-PC -"Death is overrated", Xarc
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’d be in favour of this, as I’m really tired of getting grouped up with CP 200 stamblade noobs in BGs who spam snipe in a corner and don’t understand the phrase “please stick together.”3 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭It would take even longer to get teams grouped up if we split the population like that.
Besides, people who got their CP have a right to play against anyone. They don't build their best just to have a hard time fighting against everyone. They do it because it's a faster way to kill or a better way to survive.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would take even longer to get teams grouped up if we split the population like that.
Besides, people who got their CP have a right to play against anyone. They don't build their best just to have a hard time fighting against everyone. They do it because it's a faster way to kill or a better way to survive.
If you take that away, you won't allow them to have a chill ever again.
Do not stay with assumptions, better to have solution that can benefit lower level players.
BG Queue has no issue, currently it takes a min to get group. I believe it should not an issue if ZOS will add another BG and Campaign for <= 500 CP
if BG allows to kick players then lower CP would be first ones to get kicked.Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 2, 2018 1:07PM1 -
Odovacar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've seen some really lethal lowbies in BG's too. It really comes down to if the player has it or not. I see a lot of max CP players operate like trash cans daily, in BG's that is.1 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The last thing PvP needs is to further divide the playerbase, but hey, if you want emptier campaigns and longer queues...Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub6 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a good idea. Just like they have a sub-50 lvl campaign, they need to have one for lower CPs as well. Peoples only argument against something like this is "queue times would become longer" but we really don't know that. A change like this might encourage more people to play BGs/Cyrodil. I know quite a few newer players who don't PvP because they prefer to avoid the try-hards who have all gold gear tailored for PvP,.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I expect it is similar on all platforms. Cyrodiil does not have the population to support another campaign. It cannot really support what is has let alone a third boutique campaign as OP suggests. It would just be dead.
As for BGs, I expect Zos will see the same issue as far as if there are enough players to support it that would actually queue up for it. It does not matter if some want it if it would have very long queues the support would wain fast.0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The last thing PvP needs is to further divide the playerbase, but hey, if you want emptier campaigns and longer queues...
Believe me its not about dividing player base, there are enough to fill but some of us here enjoy easy kills (low CP!)Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 2, 2018 1:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
Idea is not to restrict players from joining CP 500+ campaign or BG but add additional option.Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 2, 2018 2:09PM0 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
Idea is not to restrict players from joining CP 500+ campaign or BG but add additional option.
Cause you know the population could support it
another dead campaign that gets PvD'ed for emp title. Yay! Then you hit 500 CP and never go back Yay! Brilliant 2 -
Hurtfan✭✭✭✭✭Is there that big of a difference between 500 CP and max CP?
The no CP campaigns are pretty fun.Edited by Hurtfan on November 2, 2018 2:23PMFor the Pact!Keyboard not found, press any key to continue0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
Idea is not to restrict players from joining CP 500+ campaign or BG but add additional option.
Cause you know the population could support it another dead campaign that gets PvD'ed for emp title. Yay! Then you hit 500 CP and never go back Yay! Brilliant
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But he's right, that's exactly what it would be. Another empty campaign.
I'd be in favor of capping CP at 600ish for the CP campaigns, but that would require some sort of system that saves CP allocations.Edited by ZOS_RikardD on November 2, 2018 3:09PM1 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
Idea is not to restrict players from joining CP 500+ campaign or BG but add additional option.
Cause you know the population could support it another dead campaign that gets PvD'ed for emp title. Yay! Then you hit 500 CP and never go back Yay! Brilliant
Its better to not reply players like you
Good Bye!
But he's right, that's exactly what it would be. Another empty campaign.
I'd be in favor of capping CP at 600ish for the CP campaigns, but that would require some sort of system that saves CP allocations.
I agree the ever increasing CP makes for power creep that eventually needs rebalancing. I would even be fine if they capped it at 500 but for god sakes we dont need more dead campaigns0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »Ouh....there are plenty of good players under 500cp. As far as the gear, a good guild helps with that. So in the end when a PvP guild like mine that has coordinated teams, we tend to win more. You really need to form a team with your friends and guildies but cp in bgs means nothing. You will always find skilled players of different levels everywhere in PvP.
The ones that don't do well are just learning. If they don't bother putting in the work to be good at the game, then they shouldn't complain about the results. This includes maxed cp noobs, as well. Though this dlc there really isn't much skill left to be found. So better to have fun
Idea is not to restrict players from joining CP 500+ campaign or BG but add additional option.
Cause you know the population could support it another dead campaign that gets PvD'ed for emp title. Yay! Then you hit 500 CP and never go back Yay! Brilliant
Its better to not reply players like you
Good Bye!
But he's right, that's exactly what it would be. Another empty campaign.
I'd be in favor of capping CP at 600ish for the CP campaigns, but that would require some sort of system that saves CP allocations.
I agree the ever increasing CP makes for power creep that eventually needs rebalancing. I would even be fine if they capped it at 500 but for god sakes we dont need more dead campaigns
Right. The OP has a legitimate gripe -- the gap between no CP and max CP is huge in both time to graduate up to the CP campaign, and the power difference. It doesn't matter in PVE because they can just keep introducing harder content.
Then we'd only have to worry about itemization and whacky balance changes.1 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »No CP campaigns and battle grounds are an even playing field for pre max CP or lower level players... if your getting beat it's because of build or skill issues. I see this post as nothing more than a whine that your to lazy to put the time in that everyone else has already done and want instant gratification without the work. Not to mention it would change nothing. You would still lose to better builds and more skilled players. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say bowtard?
Players like you are acting poison, not contributing but bashing!
I would have worded it differently, but the point stands: CPs in themselves are not a measure of skill, and a good build with the right gear in the hands of someone that kwows what he's doing is what matters in no CP PVP
How many players you found with high CP (like 810) not good? yea few are but not mostly!
Even elitist players CP is currently capped at 810 CP so they are in same arena where CP 140 or CP 400 are!
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Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭MMO PVP is usually hot garbage for all the reasons listed in this thread, from class imbalances to gear imbalances to alternate advancement system power gaps (CP in ESO) to organized groups versus random solo players.
And all that is before adding in player factors such as individual knowledge and skill.
Personally, I no longer participate in 'random' solo non-ranked MMO PVP as 'winning' generally comes down to who has the best gear, has played the longest and / or is in the most organized group instead individual player skill.
Absent a player ranking system and actual power balance, no amount of segregated campaigns based on CP levels will keep a solo month old new player from being mercilessly farmed over and over by a group of veteran players.
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And discourage new players from ever trying again, lol. It's one thing to make a really good build that rolls non optimized builds it's completely different when said player they're vsing doesn't have a chance because they have no dedicated crafting toon or enough gold to buy good gear in a decent trait in good quality plus good quality enchants.It would take even longer to get teams grouped up if we split the population like that.
Besides, people who got their CP have a right to play against anyone. They don't build their best just to have a hard time fighting against everyone. They do it because it's a faster way to kill or a better way to survive.
If you take that away, you won't allow them to have a chill ever again.1 -
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✭✭I’m max cp and I played Vivec since level 10 with NO cp. I died got reckt. I kept at it. That’s how all those l33t max cp players got good. They started out just like everyone else. They played the game. They learned.
If you are a new cp 300 player running a copypasted build, you really shouldn’t expect to beat experienced players who theorycrafted and tested their builds and duel all day.
You get good by fighting better players. You learn. You die and you learn.
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