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(Sorcs) Minor Prophecy changes
Benemime
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Minor Prophecy is now more important to a group play since the nerf to the champion tree passive Spell Precision, that now grants you 9% of spell critical instead of 12% (unnecessary changes, nerfing mag classes that aren't sorcs, and sorcs that doesn't play with force pulse/Crystal frags/julianos combo).
So, IMO, Minor Prophecy should be easier to get, since nightblades can get their group passive buff by doing critical damage. Binding Minor prophecy to dark magic abilities is bad because that tree consist of only one dmg ability (that many builds doesn't use, pet builds, lightning builds, LA/HA builds etc). The other Dark Magic skills are useless on a dps rotation, dark conversion is such a delay to recast during combat due to its cast time.
So I suggest changing that passive from "Activating a Dark Magic ability grants Minor Prophecy to nearby allies, increasing Spell Critical by 657 for 20 seconds." to "Activating a class ability grants Minor Prophecy to nearby allies, increasing Spell Critical by 657 for 20 seconds."
What you think?
Edited by Benemime on November 1, 2018 7:41PM So, IMO, Minor Prophecy should be easier to get, since nightblades can get their group passive buff by doing critical damage. Binding Minor prophecy to dark magic abilities is bad because that tree consist of only one dmg ability (that many builds doesn't use, pet builds, lightning builds, LA/HA builds etc). The other Dark Magic skills are useless on a dps rotation, dark conversion is such a delay to recast during combat due to its cast time.
So I suggest changing that passive from "Activating a Dark Magic ability grants Minor Prophecy to nearby allies, increasing Spell Critical by 657 for 20 seconds." to "Activating a class ability grants Minor Prophecy to nearby allies, increasing Spell Critical by 657 for 20 seconds."
What you think?
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Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »Or they could just turn conversion into a viable sustain tool.
...or they could stop picking sorcs apart.21 -
Benemime✭✭✭✭Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »Or they could just turn conversion into a viable sustain tool.
sure, if they remove cast time I would actually use it in combat, maybe by lessen the initial bonus giving more sustain in those 20s that the effect lastsEdited by Benemime on November 1, 2018 7:49PM1 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sorcs just need a complete overhaul tbh. The class has been gutted so many times and the game has changed so much that sorcs are just in a weird place. Some of our skills are super outdated, and many of the other ones don't flow well together.12 -
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✭✭Sorcs just need a complete overhaul tbh. The class has been gutted so many times and the game has changed so much that sorcs are just in a weird place. Some of our skills are super outdated, and many of the other ones don't flow well together.
Word is that Zos are planning a pass through of the Sorc class in the near future, they mentioned as much in recent discussions with class reps. The context as I understand it is that some of the painful changes in this last patch were to be ameliorated by the future changes. The obvious thought is why leave the class in such purgatory till then?Pact Magplar - Max CP (NA XB)2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I just use frags now. Simple, just have to remember to cast the proc every 20 seconds.1 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why would a DPS sorc not use frags? And the only reason to bring a MagSorc to a trial is because of two things: Conduit synergi and Minor Prophecy. Getting 1 frag proc every 20sec is easy...Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why would a DPS sorc not use frags? And the only reason to bring a MagSorc to a trial is because of two things: Conduit synergi and Minor Prophecy. Getting 1 frag proc every 20sec is easy...
Pet sorcs don't use Frags. And therein lies the big problem. The crit class NB has such an easy time getting that buff. But sorcs have to use that one ability, and if it doesn't fit, tough luck. Big design flaw that was made even bigger after the Nerfmire changes THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR.4 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Why would a DPS sorc not use frags? And the only reason to bring a MagSorc to a trial is because of two things: Conduit synergi and Minor Prophecy. Getting 1 frag proc every 20sec is easy...
Pet sorcs don't use Frags. And therein lies the big problem. The crit class NB has such an easy time getting that buff. But sorcs have to use that one ability, and if it doesn't fit, tough luck. Big design flaw that was made even bigger after the Nerfmire changes THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR.
My pet sorc does.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Why would a DPS sorc not use frags? And the only reason to bring a MagSorc to a trial is because of two things: Conduit synergi and Minor Prophecy. Getting 1 frag proc every 20sec is easy...
Pet sorcs don't use Frags. And therein lies the big problem. The crit class NB has such an easy time getting that buff. But sorcs have to use that one ability, and if it doesn't fit, tough luck. Big design flaw that was made even bigger after the Nerfmire changes THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR.
My pet sorc does.
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Why would a DPS sorc not use frags? And the only reason to bring a MagSorc to a trial is because of two things: Conduit synergi and Minor Prophecy. Getting 1 frag proc every 20sec is easy...
Pet sorcs don't use Frags. And therein lies the big problem. The crit class NB has such an easy time getting that buff. But sorcs have to use that one ability, and if it doesn't fit, tough luck. Big design flaw that was made even bigger after the Nerfmire changes THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR.
My pet sorc does.
Details?
I am not the top 2% of the game. I do not get 50k+ but I get a solid 35k with this-
I run both pets with maw/necro/mad tinkerer, MT gets me like 4% of my DPS, hit for like 20k with deadric prey and a free AOE stun. May bars look like this-
Front bar infused lightning staff if mad tinkerer, fire enchantment
Inner light- scamp- matriarch- deadric prey- crystal frags- ulti destro ulti
Back bar infused lightning vma staff, lightning enchant.
Power surge- scamp- matriarch- lightning flood- unstable blockade, ulti atro
I use one heavy attack per rotation, unless I need to cast the frag proc.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on November 2, 2018 7:41AM2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well, yes, you could do it that way to just proc Prophecy (35k's solid, btw). But your personal dps will benefit much more by slotting Clench or Bound Aegis instead of Frags. Whereas NBs don't have to make that sacrifice.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 2, 2018 8:19AM2 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )1 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is pretty much the same issue that Warden have w/ Minor Toughness. The only Sorc that can realistically use Dark Magic in any reliable capacity is a Tank Sorc using Encase (or even Daedric Mines) to root enemies and even then, it would only really work on Trash pulls since bosses are immune to that and only trash mobs during those fights might be affected.
Making Dark Exchange into an actual usable skill would certainly help in proccing it. Personally, I think Daedric Mines should be reworked as a viable DPS skill for both PvE and PvP since Mines only really has some niche purpose in PvP and no purpose in PvE.Argonian forever0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 2, 2018 5:11PM1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.
I really dislike people that just refuse to tryValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2 -
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Ya. Your’e self sustaining for sure. You dont need a healer at all. I’m set up for max damage. I also heavy attack once/rotation.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.
As for the person that commented saying, “I really dislike people that just refuse to try,” I really dislike people who make asinine comments. ; )
Edited by carlos424 on November 2, 2018 5:45PM0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
Fair enough. But 8% are 8% ;-)
However...
I see some of you asking to rework dark exchange into a skill that fits pve rotations. While I'm not opposed to make skills useful in every content in general, I doubt that it would happen in a way that doesn't kill it (or it's uniqueness) for PvP. But that skill alone won't make the class anymore anyway, a overhaul is long overdue. But if you ask me for a quick fix, I'd say swap Capacitator and Exploitation. By that way you can reliably proc it via Liquid Lightning as magsorc and also via Hurricane as stamsorc, after all they need to add some value too.0 -
NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Nothing stops petsorcs from slotting daedric tomb? They are not even bad single target dps. Healsorcs typically use it too and most tanksorcs use dark conversion.0
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iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭NupidStoob wrote: »Nothing stops petsorcs from slotting daedric tomb? They are not even bad single target dps. Healsorcs typically use it too and most tanksorcs use dark conversion.
Yes there is, pet sorc bar space is very very limited.
Front bar: 2 pets, prey, bound ageis, inner light. Back bar: both pets, Liquid, wall, 1 flex spot. Usually surge or a shield.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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Ya. Your’e self sustaining for sure. You dont need a healer at all. I’m set up for max damage. I also heavy attack once/rotation.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.
As for the person that commented saying, “I really dislike people that just refuse to try,” I really dislike people who make asinine comments. ; )
Asinine -- Extremely stupid or foolish
What's stupid or foolish about disliking people who don't care enough to learn the basics of DPSing?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.
I really dislike people that just refuse to try
first off, i get that, but i dont need to try harder, i complete all the content i want to/can participate in. i get 30k dps on all 7 of my dps toons. without really light attacking. that is enough for all the thing i want to do/can do, again because i have a full time job that has funky hours. so saying i am refuse to try is being really dismissive. so thanks for that. classy.1 -
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✭✭✭.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »You loose out on a lot of max mag (and a shield) by doing that.
OT: the whole skill lines are wired especially if you consider that stam sorcs still exist.
I don't need a ward. Not sure why a lot of sorcs are obsessed with it. With power surge and the matriarch, you just don't need it. As for max magic, I have 52k. I think I am all right.
This play style might come more into vogue with recent changes. But the reason people are “obsessed” with ward, is because you dont have to use matriach on both bars and crit surge is also replaceable. Without these you can slot clench, excute, etc. I’m on xbox na, and my petsorc (one pet) hits for 44K. I also have 52-53k magicka. So, while 35K isnt bad, put yourself in my place. Gonna suck badly to go from 44K down to mid 30s to be survivable ( maybe slight exaggeration). I’m assuming you play solo, for the most part. I do more endgame trials and group content, where everybody is already hitting mid 40s-50k. Sorcs are only going to hurt their groups. And sorc nerfs are disproportionate to other classes. Luckily I main a magplar : )
the reason i get 35k is becuase i don't/can't light attack weave. at all. i loathe the strength of light attacks now. i only heavy once per rotation. this is a personal issue i have, i am sure a more concerned person, like yourself, would be able to get more dps. i also dont solo anything, i almost always pug 4 man content and pug normal trials, with the odd pug vet trials because my work schedule means i can not be relied on. my main is also a healplar.
I really dislike people that just refuse to try
first off, i get that, but i dont need to try harder, i complete all the content i want to/can participate in. i get 30k dps on all 7 of my dps toons. without really light attacking. that is enough for all the thing i want to do/can do, again because i have a full time job that has funky hours. so saying i am refuse to try is being really dismissive. so thanks for that. classy.
It takes about 30 minutes to learn how to weave. Full time job isnt really an excuse.
It's just being lazy if I'm being honest.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2
