Yes. For gaming i7 8700k and i3 8100 performs very close, as games still hardly use more than 2 cores.
Trancestor wrote: »And i just realized this...are you planning to put that new i3 in your laptop? Because that's a desktop CPU of a way newer generation...
Trancestor wrote: »And i just realized this...are you planning to put that new i3 in your laptop? Because that's a desktop CPU of a way newer generation...
it would be in a desktop and i would pair it with a gpu of like GTX 1050ti 4gb or XFX rx 580 4gb, which would be better?
Anotherone773 wrote: »Whoever told you that ESO was not a GPU intense game but a CPU intense game does not not have a clue as to what they are talking about. They perform very different functions. CPUs, perform general calculations for programs. GPUs perform graphics calculations.
If you are having video problems, then it is likely to be your GPU unless you have some weird setup with a high end GPU in a very lowend PC. My 10 year old i7 processor runs ESO at about 15% capacity. And a new 8th generation i i7 outperforms my processor by a decent amount while my processor outperforms most new i5s and lower.
If you want better video, you need a better card like a nvidia 1080 or 1090 series. If your CPU isnt running at 80% plus capacity ( you can check with windows task manager) with ESO running in game then its not the problem.
FYI, a CPU spends most of its time in "wait cycles". This is because its waiting on information it needs to perform calculations from much slower areas of the computer such as the hard drive. So with the information, it is unlikely that upgrading your CPU is going to change your performance significantly. Instead what you want to look at is:
1) graphics card. What series/model? You want a GTX 1070 or higher. Dont spend a stupid amount on a graphics card( i usually limit myself to $200) because in 6 months that $500 card you bought will be $250. Both GPU and GRAM matter, but mostly GPU as you want high FLOPS
2) RAM. This is the original CPU buffer. RAM stores programs and files that are needed for the CPU to perform its operations. If its not stored in the RAM, the CPU has to fetch it from the HDD. If you use a mechanical drive( As in not a solid state drive) this is what takes all the time ( and is one of the culprits behind long load screens). Ideally you want 16GB or more of RAM. Anything less than 8GB and you should be on newegg or amazon right now placing an order. FYI, ESO has a memory leak. The longer you play the more memory it consumes. If you dont have a lot of memory to begin with you will notice very poor performance early on in your game. If you have a good chunk of free memory it could take hours to reach that point.
3) Your hard drive. This is the main culprit for slow computers. Traditional mechanical drives can store a lot but are very slow. furthermore they really slow down the higher above 50% you get. This is because the mechanical arms( the drive sort of looks like a multi disc record player inside) have to sort through the platters to find information it needs to send. You have to wait for the drive to spin up and all kinds of nonsense. You can improve performance by defragging the drive. This puts files together and puts the most used files in the easiest to access locations. You can also improve performance by clearing off your drive and keeping it below 50% of capacity. You should defrag once every month to every 3 months depending on how much you use your pc.
So you have a couple of solutions to this:
A) An SSD drive. This is best performance upgrade solution for older machines. SSD drives offer Flash access speeds and will greatly improve the performance of high demand programs such as games. This would be a far better investment than a CPU upgrade.
Optane Drive. This is a new technology available as a card from intel. This is basically an SSD drive on a PCIE type card. But the tech used for this is much more advanced than that used for SSD. Basically an optane drive can work like the volatile memory of RAM or work like the long term storage memory of SSD, SD cards and memory. But it performs better than both. It is used with traditional mechanical drives. You will need a newer CPU/chipset to run this. So this is only an option for a new PC.
As for the processor, in most cases an i7 will perform better than an i3. My 9 year old i7 still outperforms all i3s and almost every i5 and only very high end i7 8gens outperform by anything significant. Intel Core Ix is sore of like buying a car. your i3 is your base model. it has basic features. The i5 is the standard of that model. It has standard features. the i7 is fully loaded. You want an I7 for gaming. The processor is designed for high workloads such as gaming. An I3 is designed to check your mail, the weather, and fall down a youtube hole sometimes after you update your facebook status.
Trancestor wrote: »And i just realized this...are you planning to put that new i3 in your laptop? Because that's a desktop CPU of a way newer generation...
it would be in a desktop and i would pair it with a gpu of like GTX 1050ti 4gb or XFX rx 580 4gb, which would be better?
IMO GTX 1060 3gb. Slightly more expensive than 1050ti but almost 60% more clock speed, hence 60% better performance.
Anotherone773 wrote: »Whoever told you that ESO was not a GPU intense game but a CPU intense game does not not have a clue as to what they are talking about. They perform very different functions. CPUs, perform general calculations for programs. GPUs perform graphics calculations.
If you are having video problems, then it is likely to be your GPU unless you have some weird setup with a high end GPU in a very lowend PC. My 10 year old i7 processor runs ESO at about 15% capacity. And a new 8th generation i i7 outperforms my processor by a decent amount while my processor outperforms most new i5s and lower.
If you want better video, you need a better card like a nvidia 1080 or 1090 series. If your CPU isnt running at 80% plus capacity ( you can check with windows task manager) with ESO running in game then its not the problem.
FYI, a CPU spends most of its time in "wait cycles". This is because its waiting on information it needs to perform calculations from much slower areas of the computer such as the hard drive. So with the information, it is unlikely that upgrading your CPU is going to change your performance significantly. Instead what you want to look at is:
1) graphics card. What series/model? You want a GTX 1070 or higher. Dont spend a stupid amount on a graphics card( i usually limit myself to $200) because in 6 months that $500 card you bought will be $250. Both GPU and GRAM matter, but mostly GPU as you want high FLOPS
2) RAM. This is the original CPU buffer. RAM stores programs and files that are needed for the CPU to perform its operations. If its not stored in the RAM, the CPU has to fetch it from the HDD. If you use a mechanical drive( As in not a solid state drive) this is what takes all the time ( and is one of the culprits behind long load screens). Ideally you want 16GB or more of RAM. Anything less than 8GB and you should be on newegg or amazon right now placing an order. FYI, ESO has a memory leak. The longer you play the more memory it consumes. If you dont have a lot of memory to begin with you will notice very poor performance early on in your game. If you have a good chunk of free memory it could take hours to reach that point.
3) Your hard drive. This is the main culprit for slow computers. Traditional mechanical drives can store a lot but are very slow. furthermore they really slow down the higher above 50% you get. This is because the mechanical arms( the drive sort of looks like a multi disc record player inside) have to sort through the platters to find information it needs to send. You have to wait for the drive to spin up and all kinds of nonsense. You can improve performance by defragging the drive. This puts files together and puts the most used files in the easiest to access locations. You can also improve performance by clearing off your drive and keeping it below 50% of capacity. You should defrag once every month to every 3 months depending on how much you use your pc.
So you have a couple of solutions to this:
A) An SSD drive. This is best performance upgrade solution for older machines. SSD drives offer Flash access speeds and will greatly improve the performance of high demand programs such as games. This would be a far better investment than a CPU upgrade.
Optane Drive. This is a new technology available as a card from intel. This is basically an SSD drive on a PCIE type card. But the tech used for this is much more advanced than that used for SSD. Basically an optane drive can work like the volatile memory of RAM or work like the long term storage memory of SSD, SD cards and memory. But it performs better than both. It is used with traditional mechanical drives. You will need a newer CPU/chipset to run this. So this is only an option for a new PC.
As for the processor, in most cases an i7 will perform better than an i3. My 9 year old i7 still outperforms all i3s and almost every i5 and only very high end i7 8gens outperform by anything significant. Intel Core Ix is sore of like buying a car. your i3 is your base model. it has basic features. The i5 is the standard of that model. It has standard features. the i7 is fully loaded. You want an I7 for gaming. The processor is designed for high workloads such as gaming. An I3 is designed to check your mail, the weather, and fall down a youtube hole sometimes after you update your facebook status.
FlyingSwan wrote: »The real story is that ESO is largely single-threaded performance bound. i.e. clock-speed is preferable to number of cores. i.e. my Core i7 8700K has 12 logical cores but ESO does not really use them that well, despite recent improvements in this area. It does however take advantage of my 4.7GHz clock speed.
That said, things certainly seem to be improving in terms of multi-threading in ESO, and certainly more modern games will see an advantage, so I'd not want to be constrained by 4 cores in the i3, also I don't think the 8100 has turbo boost, so you are limited to 3.6GHz instead of up to 5GHz, that will hurt ESO performance (someone please correct me if I am wrong here).
Then it is your CPU in your case which is rare. If you spend more than $400 or so on upgrades you are better to get a new pc, normally. Also not all CPUs will fit all boards. You need to make sure you get the right socket for your board if you replace and that your power supply can handle it.also when I put setting on high at 1080p my cpu usage was 97-100% via windows task manager
Trancestor wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »The real story is that ESO is largely single-threaded performance bound. i.e. clock-speed is preferable to number of cores. i.e. my Core i7 8700K has 12 logical cores but ESO does not really use them that well, despite recent improvements in this area. It does however take advantage of my 4.7GHz clock speed.
That said, things certainly seem to be improving in terms of multi-threading in ESO, and certainly more modern games will see an advantage, so I'd not want to be constrained by 4 cores in the i3, also I don't think the 8100 has turbo boost, so you are limited to 3.6GHz instead of up to 5GHz, that will hurt ESO performance (someone please correct me if I am wrong here).
you're right but he's on a budget...it's easy to say just get an i9 9900k and be done with it but he obviously can't.
Anotherone773 wrote: »No. As i said your CPU is very unlikely to be the problem. And for the problem you described changing it out isnt going to really do anything. Your problem will lie mostly in the GPU, not the CPU. You know you could just lower your resolution a notch and greatly improve performance? CPUs are not nearly as important as people think they are for gaming, or i should say people are looking at them as the problem when the problem is the other areas i mentioned 95% of the time. GHZ does not equate performance.
I understand what your saying. My i7 tho is 2.4 speed and new i3-8100 is 3.6. would that help at all or am i missing something?
I would focus on my graphics card if i were you followed by RAM. What card do you have in now?
Also if your going to spend more than $400 on upgrades, its usually a better idea to save up( if you need too) and get a whole new pc depending on how old yours is.Trancestor wrote: »Yes it will help, the wall of text dude made some true points but his claims about way older gen i7's being faster than todays i5's or i3's is plain wrong, the i3 8100 is 5 years and 5 generations ahead of your current i7, which is also a mobile chip which is in itself weaker than a desktop chip, the i3 has way better IPC and better clocks = better FPS in ESO. Only thing that your i7 has better is it's hyperthreading but that doesn't really do anything for ESO.
A better CPU has only slightly better gains to framerate. the GPU is still the best bang for the buck. Also the benchmarks between the older CPU and the newer choice are not significantly different, so the framerate gain is going to be so marginal its not even noticeable.
Hi, I would like to reopen the discussion.
I play on PC EU Grey Host, and I'm experiencing serious performance issues, mainly due to my CPU. During large-scale battles, my FPS drops to 0. Has anyone found a good CPU model that handles battles in this mode while maintaining at least 60 FPS? I'm wondering what the recommended configuration is and if the processor needs any extra features to ensure smooth gaming.
I didn't budget for a full PC upgrade this year, so I'm looking for a workaround for my problem.