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Nerf Maelstrom bow
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
I am all for build diversity, as long as every single alternative backbar bow comes from content as hard or harder than vMA. There should not be an easy way out. Somewhere down in the line, better players should be rewarded.6 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah... I saw only stam in the new trials like vAS or vCR... stam are OP. Nerf them.4 -
wolfxspice✭✭✭people were beating it when 300cp was the avg level when vet 16 was a thing, when when people had no where the near the damage/Survivability they do now, back when you could get a hat out of the chest, go in their dont leave untill you beat it, dont stop after your first win.I'm a casual now2 -
LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wish RNGesus would bless me with a second VMA bow. And then a third. I've got enough of every other weapon, thanks.
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SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
Because stamina players want to be equipping inferno staffs?
Not to mention, good players can easily get the dps required running dw/dw to pass all content, the problem is 2hd doesnt offer enough to compete with bow.
Yes, vMA is BiS, but to call for a nerf simply cause it's best is BS. The simple fact is, if you are not good enough to farm VMA then you're not good enough to notice any improvement in your dps from using the vma weapons and better combinations already exist for you.
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ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭This all because of bad communication. Dev team must make clear letter and choose position about nerf topics.
I mean we need to stop this *nerf what i want* trolling.3 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
Ok ... But this is a terrible solution to that problem. Nerfing the Maelstrom bow would possibly increase Stam diversity, which would be totally pointless because Stam would be dead in end-game PvE.
Consider why this particular item is so strong. It's because it's useless in PvP. So you have to find a way to compensate Stam elsewhere that doesn't result in OP PvP builds, which is quite difficult.
Regardless, this is just a generally dumb and poorly thought out idea. A good player with a good rotation and otherwise good gear will do more than enough DPS to blow through any content without a Maelstrom bow. It's not nearly as strong as OP seems to think it is.Edited by LiquidPony on October 28, 2018 11:59PM7 -
Zelos✭✭✭✭✭vMA is brain dead easy now with cp. To prove that I could light attack my way through it with no skills on my barsAeonhack - AD Stamina Nightblade - 5 Star General
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russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭This item is for over performing and makes or breaks stamina classes. It's overwhelming power in PvE needs reduced significantly. No other single item makes a significant difference (upwards of 5k-10k dps difference) for stamina like the Maelstrom bow.
Seriously?
Are you an npc?
Did you take a bath in an endless hail?
Vet malstrom too hard?
Seriously? For real?
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
Ok ... But this is a terrible solution to that problem. Nerfing the Maelstrom bow would possibly increase Stam diversity, which would be totally pointless because Stam would be dead in end-game PvE.
Consider why this particular item is so strong. It's because it's useless in PvP. So you have to find a way to compensate Stam elsewhere that doesn't result in OP PvP builds, which is quite difficult.
Regardless, this is just a generally dumb and poorly thought out idea. A good player with a good rotation and otherwise good gear will do more than enough DPS to blow through any content without a Maelstrom bow. It's not nearly as strong as OP seems to think it is.
Agreed. It's certainly powerful, but people with poor DPS have a habit of inflating their perception of how much DPS an item (they cant obtain) might potentially add. It helps them feel better about themselves...8 -
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✭✭I suppose "all nerfs come from pvp" can be laid to rest now.Edited by Agenericname on October 31, 2018 9:06PM2 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭vMA is brain dead easy now with cp. To prove that I could light attack my way through it with no skills on my bars
I would actually watch that video from beginning to end.
Sure, vMA stuff is strong, but having them isn’t gonna make you op overnight. I got em. I’m terrible. Or, at least not living up to the potential of the gear I’m rocking.
I’ll give ya this much. VMA Endless hail is as much damage as regular Endless hail and caltrops combined. Maybe a little more.1 -
Oberstein✭✭✭OP is probably sorc player that hates stamina class.History, like a human being, is thirsty when it wakes from its slumber…History wants to drink up an enormous amount of blood. And even if history has tired of drinking blood, that’s only in regards to the amount. But what about quality? The larger the sacrifice is, the more delighted the cruel gods will be.3 -
pelle412✭✭✭✭✭I think these threads originate because the OP sees a DPS parse from a player, who might be really good at their job, and attribute their high DPS to one piece of gear. That is not the case. The maelstrom bow, if used correctly which takes practice, improves your DPS by a small amount. If you do not want to run maelstrom arena, you really do not need the weapons. No content in the entire game needs these weapons. They help, but only for the higher end crowd.
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭at this point if you still cant complete vMA what are you even doing with your life1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OP is probably sorc player that hates stamina class.
I'm a Sorc that hates stamina (the very idea of it is just poorly implemented) and I don't even agree with thisValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Wolfkeks✭✭✭✭✭
✭No.
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testd4n1✭✭✭The comparison listed was based off an old heavy attack rotation with proc sets, so yes the master bow might of been an appropriate comparison on a target dummy at that time. However, that is no longer the case and even if it was, in AoE situations the impact is much greater than the master bow and STILL far outperforms other weapons for stamina users.
To anyone bringing up the relequins set, i would point out not only is this an item SET not a single item, it can be farmed on normal mode in a few days.
I farmed vMA and got it in two days. I've helped a CP 250 get through vMA consistently.
Edit: Don't get me started on the lightning staff though.
I also have enough healing staffs now for all of Cyrodiil.Edited by testd4n1 on October 30, 2018 8:49PM0 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you can’t clear VMA, you don’t have the skill level or DPS for the damage difference from the VMA bow to matter. If you can, it’s a moot point because you have 7 of them.
Pretty much this.
vMA can be cleared with about 20k dps, if someone cant do that, then they wont really notice the difference.
When I was doing it on Mag Sorc, I was getting 10-12k DPS and still clearing vMA.
vMA is all about memorization and priorities, has very little to do with dps. Good dps just makes it easier.
Beating vMA will make a person a better player, far beyond what the bow will do.17 -
ImmortalCX✭✭✭✭✭The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
Is there another stamina weapon that can apply AOE and single target dots?
I think stam will always be running a bow on at least one bar, nerfing the Maelstrom bow won't change this.
I would love for there to be some combination of melee/staff that worked, but all the staffs are mag based and the resulting build would be some casual hybrid.4 -
Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭This item is for over performing and makes or breaks stamina classes. It's overwhelming power in PvE needs reduced significantly. No other single item makes a significant difference (upwards of 5k-10k dps difference) for stamina like the Maelstrom bow.
Kek.Here, have a chill pill 💊!3 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The issue is not that it requires completing vMA, it's that it's mandatory for every stamina build since it was introduced, making it the largest factor in homogenizing stamina builds. As long as Maelstrom bow is this powerful, we will never see any other back bar weapon than bows. Maybe you're okay with that, but many people are bored to death by the narrow build diversity in this game.
Because stamina players want to be equipping inferno staffs?
Not to mention, good players can easily get the dps required running dw/dw to pass all content, the problem is 2hd doesnt offer enough to compete with bow.
Yes, vMA is BiS, but to call for a nerf simply cause it's best is BS. The simple fact is, if you are not good enough to farm VMA then you're not good enough to notice any improvement in your dps from using the vma weapons and better combinations already exist for you.
This... This is exactly why I don't even bother farming VMA weapons. I do 20-25k and I'll still do 20-2tk DPS after getting the weapons. I can improve my dps a LOT more with just practice a few skill swaps since my builds are usually pretty close to builds that do 35k or more. I even had someone use my exact build and push 30k without even trying too long.
VMA doesn't mean free extra dps at all.3 -
Mazbt✭✭✭✭Learn to play the game would be a better solution than nerfing the bow.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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RABIDxWOLVERINE✭✭✭✭No please dont nerf... Im so tired of all the nerf this nerf that threads like come on people quit trying to ruin the game because you dont like something and are too lazy to counter it. The constant whine on here is deafening.Rhaegar Gregorson, The Ebonheart Centurion - Imperial Dragonknight
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh ffs.....
This *** is ridiculous.
*** all you ***, but especially the 8 people who agree with that ***Edited by Kel on October 30, 2018 10:56PM4
